Oh how one game changes a lot of minds. Tonight the opposite players may have great games. Every game different players step up and have good games. JT may look horrible tonight who knows. PM may go off for 20 and 10. Nothing is a given
McCaffery boys vs Murray and Tousasaint
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Exactly. It’s up to Fran to ride the hot hand, which he has done well thus far this year
As far as anger issues go, If I was Connor, having been punched in the nuts, gouged by someone's fingernail, and karate chopped to the throat, I'd be pretty pissed too.
Bumper52 is a troll. Nothing more. Ignore him.
Lol, very true. That zag dude purposely swung the elbow to the throat, they should have looked at it
You are an ass and do not deserve to EVER be called “coach”. You have NO class and I am ashamed to share the title “coach” with you.
Well, let’s take a look at Fran the Man. This is his 11th year at Iowa. What has he done. Well, he did bring Iowa up out of the depths of their lowest point in their badketball history. I give him credit for that. What else? Been to three NIT’s. Second round twice and runner up. Good boy Fran. Never got past the first round in NCAA Dance. Bad boy Fran. He is 200-143 overall. 89-95 in Big 10. Finished 3rd twice. We have learned to accept mediocrity here at Iowa. Two years ago everyone wanted Fran’s head on a chopping block. Barta didn’t listen....he didn’t care. Just st think about Dr. Tom vs. Fran. The talent disparity. I know....Tom’s best season was with Raveling’s players. Fran wouldn’t even be allowed to sit on the bench with Tommy or Lute. Whoops...my bad. He has a sandwich named after him!!! Now, there’s a coaching icon.
1. Connor
2. Keegan (does everything well)
3. Joe T (turnovers down, still not good at running the offense imo)
4. Bohannon (huge defensive liability)
5. PMac (future looks good but not efficient on offense right now and Keegan way better on defense)
Your argument should be between Keegan and Bohannon or PMac imo.
I personally would play Connor at point and replace Bohannon with Keegan at PF.
2. Keegan (does everything well)
3. Joe T (turnovers down, still not good at running the offense imo)
4. Bohannon (huge defensive liability)
5. PMac (future looks good but not efficient on offense right now and Keegan way better on defense)
Your argument should be between Keegan and Bohannon or PMac imo.
I personally would play Connor at point and replace Bohannon with Keegan at PF.
It’s impossible to be “mentally tough” and have “anger issues” at the same time. Bumper is not very bright.
I didn't wade through the morose that is this thread but did we bring APG?
Dang. Anyone dogging a coach as the sole reason for success or failure doesn't understand coaching. You can disagree with him (which I do) but I wouldn't rip any coach for any level of success.
Also, some people don't have aspirations to coach above high school. You can make an impact on so many lives and teach people to love the game.
Also, some people don't have aspirations to coach above high school. You can make an impact on so many lives and teach people to love the game.
Sounds like you're a little bitter you didn't make it pass the High School stage of coaching. Don't be jealous of others success.
As for Pmac, Fran sees his kid as a "3" not as a "4" and Pmac has played a lot when JoeW is on bench. Keegan has been playing "4" and been sharing time with Connor/Nunge, which means not much PT.
However Keegan appears to be the best rebounder/defender, so one would think he deserves more PT and has more upside as a "4" than say Connor does, at least vs bigger teams.
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This really explains the PT allocation between Ke Murray and P Mc. Now me, I'd like to see Ke Murray take minutes from Nunge, like every minute Nunge is on the court with Luka. Plus, we are still very early in the season and we do not have the benefit of many competitive games from which to evaluate the bench guys, other than Joey T. Although Jordan is a legend he's not shooting well. If he comes out shooting short like tonight we should go to Joey T.
We're getting the line change now.
However Keegan appears to be the best rebounder/defender, so one would think he deserves more PT and has more upside as a "4" than say Connor does, at least vs bigger teams.
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This really explains the PT allocation between Ke Murray and P Mc. Now me, I'd like to see Ke Murray take minutes from Nunge, like every minute Nunge is on the court with Luka. Plus, we are still very early in the season and we do not have the benefit of many competitive games from which to evaluate the bench guys, other than Joey T. Although Jordan is a legend he's not shooting well. If he comes out shooting short like tonight we should go to Joey T.
We're getting the line change now.
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Yeah caught that on his second post. Now, if you want to compare Joe T and JBo; got it. However cannot compare CMAC vs Joe T at least at this point. Now that mindset may change in 8 weeks.
I am even more convinced today of my opinions from yesterday. Keagan needs to get more minutes from PMac and now I would say more from Nunge. That said, I think Nunge needs to get underneath and quit hanging around outside for shots. Set a pick and roll back underneath. He's not a high impact shooter from outside (yet). PMac is going to be really good, but right now he is a liability on defensive end. Good in press, bad in rotations and help. Mental more then physical limitations.
I am absolutely certain this team runs better with JT on the floor. He makes so much of an impact when helping on defense, getting to loose balls and dribble drives. Sure, he makes mistakes, but he makes up for it in so many ways. He makes things happen when he's out there and that's probably the best way to put it. I love the whole team. Not a bash on any of the kids. They are all trying hard to get better I believe.
I am absolutely certain this team runs better with JT on the floor. He makes so much of an impact when helping on defense, getting to loose balls and dribble drives. Sure, he makes mistakes, but he makes up for it in so many ways. He makes things happen when he's out there and that's probably the best way to put it. I love the whole team. Not a bash on any of the kids. They are all trying hard to get better I believe.
Bumper, I quit posting but for rare occasions. The smart ass know it all’s hiding behind the screen who ridicule those who have a different view are appalling. I like and welcome others thoughts. If everyone agrees why have a site. Most of us are here because we are Hawk fans. Why fight with your teams fans? I think our best lineup from a defense and offense stand point yielding the most wins would be: Garza, Keegan, Wieskamp, Fredrick, and Joe T. This would greatly improve our defense, speed, athleticism, and offense and rebounding. Bring in Nunge, Bohannon and Connor as needed. Let the game slow down for Patrick. He is playing out of control most of the time. Teams are playing off Connor and double teaming Garza. Let Bohannon find his shot again and limit his liability on defense. He is getting abused on defense. This doesn’t mean I don’t like these kids. I do like them. The give starters would give Iowa its best chance at a National Championship. I never had a desire to coach as I was a business man. But, I played a lot of organized basketball and had great and not so great coaches over the years. I am not a fan of “Daddy Ball”. Iowa has had Alford , Lick, and Fran with kids that played. Ferentz in football. Some coaches handle this well while it is a disaster other times. I would hate to have a coaches son get my minutes if I knew I was better and everyone was telling me I was better. These coaches are making millions of dollars and I wish they didn’t treat the program as their personal toy to do whatever they wish. But then we have Barta who let’s this go on.
Help me out. What kid(s) of Alford’s played “daddy ball” at Iowa?
Like 0-4 from 3, 2 pts (a put back on one of his clanks), 3 rebounds, 6 assists, 4 turnovers? He never said Connor didn't have an impact....he does....some good but he also allows 5 guys to guard 4 when he's out there and his defense is just ok, not sure why some act like he's a shut down defender. He's an important part of team but far from irreplaceable....I'd actually rather see jbo playing less but Joe and Keegan have earned more minutes. Amazing that offensive coach's kids can have such ugly shots. At least there's scoring hope for Patrick
Good Coaches keep an OER-DER chart in which you can measure how the team does with certain combinations on the court. Individual stats are not a priority, it is all based on how the team does when you are on the court. No doubt someone on Fran’s staff is doing this.
I have been a son and a father for over 60 years...with a high degree of success. I think someone has Daddy issues, but it's not Fran.
If your coaching pedigree is what you claimed, you certainly have to understand the value of a kid like Connor who is like a coach on the floor....a facilitator.....and actual leader who gets his teamates in the right place at the right time. A guy who is a leader in mental toughness.
It would also seem that you would understand that what you see on the floor isn't necessarily what you see in practice with first year players like Patrick and Keegan.....last but not least, Fran isn't playing one or the other....it's not the Mc boys vs/or the other two.
Alford hired his own Dad as his assistant, so that is daddy ball. Alford did in fact play his
kid at UCLA. Bryce was a good shooter but really poor shooter and not much of a ball handler.
Thanks for the interesting facts. I don’t believe they’ve ever been discussed on this board. He claimed Alford had kids who played at IOWA, I’d like to know which ones did.
Sam being the Director of Basketball Operations isnt exactly the definition of daddy ball. Nepotism sure. Daddy ball no, unless he’s putting little Stevie in the game, which I don’t recall happening either.
“Bryce was a good shooter, but a really poor shooter”? Could you elaborate on that? Bryce was first team all Pac 12 his senior year and on the PAC 12 all freshmen team. But I guess he was only picked for those teams because of daddy ball. Unbelievable. There must be many career 40% three point shooters if Bryce was one and a poor shooter.
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Two of the four turnovers were offensive fouls. I can live with those. One was a bad pass from half court which PU immediately turned back over and Iowa got an easy bucket. And the fourth one I didn’t see unless they credited it to Connor at the end on the inbounds pass that Wieskamp had stolen from him.
So while four turnovers may look bad in the stats sheet, it was really only one. Connor also had a pretty nice steal on a PU inbounds at the end to go along with three absolute dimes.
Ok, let me clarify a few things. I never said Connor was. bad player. I just think that Toussaint and Murray deserve more minutes. In the Purdue game we had difficulty with feeding Garza in the post. The main reason was there were no Purdue defenders within 10 feet of Connor. (begging him to shoot the ball). I will agree that Connor does a lot of things that don’t show up in the stats. But the reality is we have no true point guard that plays, other than Toussaint. It killed us against Gonzaga. JBo struggled bringing it up, but something is very wrong when that becomes Connor’s responsibility. I also agree in a half court game,Toussaint can look like a fish out of water. But up tempo, he needs to be in there. And certainly Murray had more than earned more minutes.I thought he played very well last night. In fact, the bench was very good, holding serve, with Garza on on the bench. If I were a betting man, I really feel we may lose Toussaint. He may transfer. All in all, at this point, I guess Fran goes with what has been working. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. But if the Hawks are going to up their game, the point guard issue needs to be addressed. A couple of other points. People on here criticized me for being a coach.Not understanding the game, calling me a liar about my record, calling me an ass and a troll. Well, first of all, I coached in Illinois where we play more games than the Iowa high schools. Secondly, yes, I had a lot of losses...but a lot of wins as well. Most coaches would consider a 75% winning rate very good. But it wasn’t about the wins for me. It was about being surrounded by very good young adults with a lot of character. Most of them went on to be very successful people. I’d like to think I made a difference in their lives; they certainly did in mine. I’m not a liar, a troll,my dad isn’t a douche bag, and I’m not an ass . I bleed black and gold and I’m a Hawk fan through thick and thin. I also want to apologize for my “Daddy ball” renark. Totally unwarranted and not in my character. For that,I apologize.
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