Problem is you have to take it all into account, not just chewy pick. It’s a team game not individual.
McCaffrey From Nebraska: He Gone
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What I know about NU is what everyone knows about NU... poor coaching, lack of development, massive transfers, little outlook for things improving, and a continued bottom feeder in the B1G.
Not exactly a well kept secret.
The Florida guys are separate issue. That is more about who and how Nebraska should recruit in the first place. I do think there is a COVID element involved though. I cant imagine 5 guys would transfer out that soon.
Attrition is going to happen every offseason. Getting rid of noncontributors is a good thing. Wandale is the only loss but they added 2 good players as well that offsets that loss to some degree
Are you saying it's not your coaches fault for putting him at QB for the last two years then? It's not his fault for recruiting these guys? If he doesn't have the ability to see a recruit and pinpoint where he is gonna play in the future, is that not his fault? So bizarre the excuses Nebraska fans are willing to make for him. What is actually Frost's job? Here is Nebraska's problem that you guys are struggling to understand.
A.It's not about the transfers, which are very high, it's the transfers mixed with crappy seasons. If you are winning even 8 games, nobody is commenting, but you aren't.
B. Frost keeps blaming everyone else, while ignoring his own problems.
Consider this:
3 star and higher recruits transferring out, 2021 so far:
4 star Robinson, 4 star Mccaffrey, 4 star fleming, 3 star Bubak, 3 star Farniok, 3 star Anderson, 3 star Wilson, 4 star Green, 4 star Greene, and 3 star Delancey. This doesn't include Warner who was a 2 star.
2020:
3 star Vedral, 4 star Washington, 3 star Bradley, 3 star chase, 3 star Jones, 4 star Mcquitty, 3 star Woodyard, 3 star Spielman, 3 star Hunt, 3 star Legrone, 3 star Jefferson, 4 star Gray, 4 star Francois, and 3 star Butler.
2019: 11 more guys 3 star or higher.
That is 35 3 or 4 star transfers over the last 3 years. 13 of them four star players.
For comparison sake:
Iowa had 20 over that same time span, 2 of them 4 stars transferring to Nebraska. Martin, who couldn't crack the lineup as a Junior, and Miller (rare medical situation). I don't know Nebraska's players well enough, to know if these are all bad losses, but that's a lot. I know Iowa had some losses to the allegations against their coaches, so it felt like a ton. I can't imagine how 35 would feel.
25 in the transfer portal in the last 14 months (December 2019). No issues at all, not sure if that counts the recruits who never made it to campus.
If only Kirk Ferentz had not clapped so loudly, these guys would not be leaving Nebraska.
Iowa's last B10 championship...1985 LMAO 🤣 Keep getting excited about NFL players and your 9 win banners!
Hello, Little Debbie.
When was your last National championship?
LMAO
And, this time, please try not to cry
It is a big deal when last year you lost your best quarterback and this year you lost your second best quarterback.
It's a big deal when you have over 30 players hit he portal in two years.
Well there’s excitement or at least thankfulness that Iowa doing better than many of its peers, including Nebraska, but hey keep looking down on Iowa.
Frost and Nebraska have issues. The guys transferring outside of Wandale and the Florida guys is positive attrition. Nebraska had a purge of players when Frost arrived. I dont think you understand how craapy the roster was. Those guys transferred to like New Hampshire. Robinson was a loss and the Florida guys needs to be figured out. That included Fleming, Delancy, Greene, Grey,
Bubak - Was a walkon who was at Nebraska for 1 year after playing at ASU for 4 years
Boe Wilson - WAs at Nebraska for 5 years. He got passed up. He is tranferring for his 6 year. He was a backup
McMCaffrey - Is a not a P5 QB
Fariok - 3rd string. NOt a p5 players
Anderson - 10th string. Is not a P5 players
Green - 3rd String was beat out
2019
Vedral - Beat out
Washington - Kicked out
Bradley - Not good
Jones - Too Small
Hunt -In jail
Legone - In jail
Speilmen - Nebraska got 4 years out of him, sucks to lose him, but he was productive
The rest of the guys are scrubs. You dont want guys on your roster that are taking updead space. Wandale and JD are the only transfers that have been bad int he past few years. Washington, itsucks that he was a head case.
I do agree based on the little that I saw of McCaffrey that quarterback is not his best option if he wants to play in the NFL or even at a Power Five school. I do not think it is good coachspeak to prop this guy up over your current quarterback, who has been a three year starter though.
Iowa was in a similar position with AJ Derby and few years ago, but I do not recall Kirk telling everyone that Derby was the future of the program. Derby transferred to Arkansas because he wanted to play quarterback, but he eventually transitioned to tight end and had a brief stay in the NFL. I expect McCaffrey will eventually see a similar transition.
Crappy roster? All we hear from Nebraska fans is recruiting rankings. Comparing to Iowa and Wisconsin, then look at win/loss comparison.
8 year avg (per 247) 2013-2020
Iowa: 47
Nebraska: 25
Wisconsin: 36
4 year avg (per 247) 2017-2020
Iowa: 39
Nebraska: 21
Wisconsin: 35
Do you see any issues with Warner digressing in his time at Nebraska? The WR room was pretty bad last year but he couldn’t get on the field. Do you put any of that blame on the coaches? What about Betts not being able to be on the field aside from a couple easy shovel passes?
Depth takes a hit and going into next season with Adrian likely to miss some time is not a good place for Frost to be in year four. Smothers hasn’t even been in Lincoln for a year. Is he ready to take on that schedule next year?
How deep is Nebraska on experienced OL? Depth takes a hit and so does Nebraska’s chance of taking a step forward. Trust us, we know how bad depth and attrition can hurt a team.
He wasnt propping him up over Martinez, he was saying McCaffrey can compete for the job when Martinez is done. I dont get Luke. He has legit NFL potential at another position. Nebraska was literally his only offer at QB. He didnt play QB until his SR in high school. I dont know why he just wouldnt change positions.
Nebraska gave him every opportunity in the world to win the job, it just became apparent that he is not a QB short of having massive improvements in throwing the football.
You blow a lot of hot air. I love how you speak as if you represent Nebraska. Lmao
Warner has never been a great WR. He was a good blocker and good locker room guy. I dont mean to crap on him, as he seems like a good dude, he just wasnt a good player. He got a lot of PT early in the saeson, but dropped wide open TDs that hit him in the hands. Its gonna be tough to play when that happens multiple times. Here are his stats
Fr 17 receptions 95 yards
SO 8 receptions 101 yards
JR 5 receptions 40 yards
Betts got better as the year went along. He only played 6 games last year. In a normal season he would have had another 4-5 games. He will be a RS freshmen next year. I think he will be pretty good.
WR room has been terrible. Rileys classes were complete busts at the positions and Nebraska has had some recruiting misses that has really killed the room the past few years. So theya re perpetually young. Throw in an inaccurate QB it makes it even worse. Have some good young payer s though, then a juco and a transfer so there hope, but MArtinez needs to get better as well
Depth will be hurt with Luke gone, that is true. But its 2021. QBs that arent starting are be going to transfer. We didnt have spring last season and media couldnt watch practice so info is limited on Smothers.
For Farniok, I can't emphasize enough how much of a nonfactor he was at Nebraska. He was not a good player. He needs to drop down a level. He doesnt affect Nebraska's depth at all. Nebraska has the best depth its had on the offensive line in years. Its not going to be at Iowa or Wisconsin's level yet, but they are working their way into becoming a pretty good unit.
Let’s be honest. With Nebraska’s track record of 4* skill position guys odds are he transfers out in 2 years. Then the fan base can brag about the next group coming in and the ones who left weren’t as good as the new ones coming in.
Better call the staff at memorial stadium and have them remove all the those shared conference titles from the Big 8 days that your team claims as well. When is last time Nebraska even won 9 games? Your coach just surpassed 9 career wins in his 3rd season on the job. Pot meet kettle
One other side bar to all the Nebraska stuff. The local Nebraska media has somehow painted the illusion that they have an elite defense coming back for 2021....when did that happen?....oh yea I forgot they dominated the other cellar dweller Rutgers in a game nobody cared about...Rutgers didn't even have the best QB available to make it more interesting.
One thing Nebraska will have next year...the oldest team in college football...as most of their defense has decided to make it a their life time career playing at Nebraska ....6 and 7th year for most of them....one guy is already 25 years old.....Pathetic.
One thing Nebraska will have next year...the oldest team in college football...as most of their defense has decided to make it a their life time career playing at Nebraska ....6 and 7th year for most of them....one guy is already 25 years old.....Pathetic.
1) i mostly agree that these aren't big losses for Nebraska, and some natural attrition is good for a program. All these kids want to play. Of course, kids on winning teams are probably more likely to stick it out.
2) please excuse us for not caring about Nebraska's recruiting ranking when 4*s are either not good enough to play, don't develop, or whatever.
3) LOL at explaining why transfers aren't a problem because the guys are now in jail. 😅 😂
4) i still expect Neb to get back respectability sometime, and frost might be the guy to do it. They will also knock off Iowa again eventually, and it will sting like hell.
2) please excuse us for not caring about Nebraska's recruiting ranking when 4*s are either not good enough to play, don't develop, or whatever.
3) LOL at explaining why transfers aren't a problem because the guys are now in jail. 😅 😂
4) i still expect Neb to get back respectability sometime, and frost might be the guy to do it. They will also knock off Iowa again eventually, and it will sting like hell.
1) Agree, Im not saying Nebraska doesnt have some issues, but most of these transfers are natural attrition
2) Fair enough.
3) That was a joke. The 2018 class was the 1st year of the early signing period. Nebraska had a 10 days to put a class together. Probably weren't vetted thoroughly
4) I can see it go either way. Im not worried about Frost recruiting or roster management. They've bene pretty good there with some tweaks needed (see Florida croots0. My bigger concern is in game coaching and adjustments. Nebraska losses so many close games. So much of it is coachable stuff such as penalties, special teams, clock management, etc. That is where my major concern lies.
So with everything being said, doesn't this worry you about Frost's ability to evaluate talent? Or is this also someone else's fault.
You see, this board and many other's blame their head coaches when things like this are happening. We lose a game, and half the board wants KF or BF fired.
The reason people are making fun of Nebraska, their transfers, the record, etc is because, while all this is happening, you guys still stroke Frost. It's so maniacal. You always blame someone else, whether it's NFL daddies, players getting in trouble, players unhappy, clapping, etc, etc, etc. At some point, you'd think there would be fans intelligent enough to realize, Frost's company is failing on multiple levels.
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It's kind of hard to vet kids when you offer every 4 and 5 star player in the country. That's part of Frosts problem too. He signs kids he doesn't know and ends up with a locker room pariah or a convict.
I appreciate the open and honest dialogue. I can see that not everyone on this board shares your views, which is fine. I get tired of the comments meant a strictly to inflame from both sides, so thank you!
To a degree, but it depends on the guy. Again some of this is positive attrition
The Florida guys, yes that concerning, but i think a COVID is a factor in there case. Nebraska needs to look at how they are recruiting Florida. Maybe vet the kids a bit more.
Vedral, Green transferred because they got beat out. They were decent players, there are just better players in front of them. Keem Green was a 4 star juco, but he was beat out by RS freshmen and sophomores on the Defensive line who have been developed and are looking good.
OL development has much improved as well. Farniok was a holdover from Rileys last recruiting class and his brother was on the team. Nebra0ska took a 28 person class in 2019 Anderson was at the bottom of that class and always a diamond in the rough, development guy. Its not really a surprising loss. If other OL werent developing I'd be worried, but they are being developed and look to be pretty good. they arent Iowa or Wisconsin yet, but they started 2 RS freshmen, a RS sopohmore on the offensive line last year and have a bynch of other RS freshmen and freshmen who are playing and looking decent
Alot of the other guys are Riley recruits or some reaches in Frost first class that didnt work out when he had 10 days. The majority of Frosts first full recruiting class is intact and we are seeing pretty good returns.
Trolling gets so old after a while. Not sure how people from either side can do it for 4+ pages. Why cant we just have some good natured crap talk and discussion.
Yeah, like I said, I don't know much about these guys leaving. I'll reiterate, that if Nebraska was winning, none of us would really be having this conversation. I do think some of the frustration from Iowa fans on here comes via Nebraska fans, not you, coming over to boast about their recruiting classes the past couple years, and making fun of Iowa's at the same time. However, those same guys never come back to talk about how many of those guys who led to a higher ranking, have since left.
View from an opposing fan, Frost is very hard to like. Has blaming disease, and non-stop excuses for failure. Cries and whines after losses, then turns around and blames players, it's really just messed up. I can't remember a more unlikeable person who has been a coach in the big ten in quite awhile. It's not enough that he's an excuse maker, but he's an excuse maker with no backbone. Fleck is a close second, but he also has some winning going on and backs his players.
He had 65 rushes, 1 reception and 76 passes. He played.
To give you an example of a back up that doesn't play. Alex Padilla had 2 passing attempts and 2 rushing attempts. I don't believe that equates to the 40% of the snaps that McCaffrey got. Perhaps it's time to start looking at Verduzco and Frost for their inability to turn McCaffrey and the Heisman worthy Martinez into at least average quarterbacks.
Scott Frost is the Steve Alford of Nebraska football. Apparently recruits based solely on rankings some service provided the player without regard to other factors, like personality. Apparently not a good game coach either.
This is something Belichick does. When they've locked down to a manageable number of prospective draft picks Belichick calls the players HS teachers other than coaches. Part of the reason is to gain insight on how a given player learns but its also to gain insight into a player's character, adaptability to new experiences, citizenship behavior and other intangibles.
Obviously most schools would not have the Patriot's resources and are looking at a much larger number of potential recruits but some of these guys failure is predictable.
Like Alford, signing high level recruits and failing to win, especially at a school like Nebraska is the product of inflated recruiting resumes or, if the players have the talent then its a coaching failure. I hope Nebraska keeps Frost forever.
This is something Belichick does. When they've locked down to a manageable number of prospective draft picks Belichick calls the players HS teachers other than coaches. Part of the reason is to gain insight on how a given player learns but its also to gain insight into a player's character, adaptability to new experiences, citizenship behavior and other intangibles.
Obviously most schools would not have the Patriot's resources and are looking at a much larger number of potential recruits but some of these guys failure is predictable.
Like Alford, signing high level recruits and failing to win, especially at a school like Nebraska is the product of inflated recruiting resumes or, if the players have the talent then its a coaching failure. I hope Nebraska keeps Frost forever.
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25 scholarship player transfers in just over a year.
Debbie fans think its nothing. Journalists who follow the team beg to differ. The Huskers are a mess and it's not Mike Riley's fault.
Debbie fans think its nothing. Journalists who follow the team beg to differ. The Huskers are a mess and it's not Mike Riley's fault.
You mean if he makes it to next season. Nothing like the roof caving in "the 402". and oh, BTW, they play at Okie in a non-con this fall. Good luck fellas
If you can't keep your players, it doesn't really matter if you can coach.
Signed,
Steve Alford
Signed,
Steve Alford
They did just that tonight on the 6 o'clock newscast. They also said Riley couldn't recruit.
Washington was not kicked out— Nebraska continued to play him until they were no longer allowed for legal reasons. Hell, he was probably up for team captain.
