McConnell Wasting Time and Energy on Meaningless Iran Deal Votes

[cigaretteman]

It's the new "Repeal Obamacare" tactic:

Senate Democrats on Tuesday blocked another vote on a resolution disapproving of the Iran nuclear deal, reprising the result of a vote last week.

Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader, had called for a second vote despite protests from Democrats that it was a waste of time. Mr. McConnell insisted that senators needed to rethink their support for the accord, but 42 Democrats — the same number as last week — teamed to prevent the resolution from advancing.

Rather than give up, Mr. McConnell announced plans to force a vote on an amendment that would bar President Obama from lifting economic sanctions against Iran unless Tehran released American prisoners and recognized Israel as a state. Republican aides said that vote could take place Thursday morning.

Even Senator Chuck Schumer, Democrat of New York, who opposes the Iran deal, expressed frustration over the continuing debate. “The government is on the edge of shutting down,” he said. Noting that budget talks had yet to begin, Mr. Schumer waved his hand in a gesture of exasperation toward the Senate chamber, where his colleagues were still voting. “We’re doing this,” he said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/16/u...n-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

 

[gonegolfing]

Why are Democrats wasting time developing and supporting such a horrible treaty?

 

[pablow]

McConnell is a gutless, double-chinned weasel. How does such a waste of DNA get elected county weed commissioner let alone to the U.S. Senate?

 

[pablow]

Why are Democrats wasting time developing and supporting such a horrible treaty?

Because it's legacy building time for the Great One.

 

[TexMichFan]

We could make some real progress in this country if Congress could not filibuster and just voted and moved on with results.

Both sides have the mindset of only wanting to vote on things where they will win the vote. Pathetic.

 

[22*43*51]

He is supporting the will of the American people.

 

[lucas80]

Easier for McConnell to have this vote than tackle real issues. John Boehner is in real trouble. I think it's likely there is a very public move to replace him as Speaker of the House after the 2016 elections. Boehner and McConnell are in charge of very fractious majorities, and they are afraid of losing power. Do not fool yourself into thinking the Republicans cannot lose the majority in the Senate in 2016. There are a lot of very vulnerable Republicans up for election. In what will probably be a high turnout election it is possible for the Senate to flip again.

 

[Huey Grey]

The Republicans have no plans on healthcare, ISIS, Iran, or just about anything else. They don't have a choice but to throw out politically motivated votes.

 

[22*43*51]

The Republicans have no plans on healthcare, ISIS, Iran, or just about anything else. They don't have a choice but to throw out politically motivated votes.

They just don't have plans that you like.

 

[Huey Grey]

They just don't have plans that you like.

Let's be honest here. They don't have plans period. They have no healthcare plan. The SCOTUS decision proved that out. They really have no idea what to do with ISIS, besides talking tough. And they don't know what to do about IRAN, besides talking tough. The Republican party has been light on ideas for quite a while now. You can only say deregulate and go to war so many times before it becomes meaningless.

 

[22*43*51]

The Republicans have no plans on healthcare, ISIS, Iran, or just about anything else. They don't have a choice but to throw out politically motivated votes.

They just don't have plans that you like.

Let's be honest here. They don't have plans period. They have no healthcare plan. The SCOTUS decision proved that out. They really have no idea what to do with ISIS, besides talking tough. And they don't know what to do about IRAN, besides talking tough. The Republican party has been light on ideas for quite a while now. You can only say deregulate and go to war so many times before it becomes meaningless.

You live on this board. You have seen topics with Republican solutions for all of these things.

You go with the tired mantra "Republicans have no ideas."

That's usually answered with "Dem/Socialists have no ideas that work."

 

[lucas80]

Here is a small list of reasons Mitch McConnell is leery of putting forth any substantive policies:
1. Mark Kirk (IL)
2. Ron Johnson (WI)
3. Kelly Ayotte (NH)
4. Pat Toomey (PA)
5. Marco Rubio (FL)
6. Rand Paul (KY)
7. Roy Blunt (MO)

Blunt and Ayotte will be tough to unseat, but, not impossible during a Presidential election cycle. Especially if the right candidates are brought forth by the Democrats. I don't think McConnell would mind if he lost Paul. It will be sad and funny to see the usual suspects on here savaging Tammy Duckworth in her race against Kirk.

Edit: Rubio said in the debate he isn't running for re-election? News to me, but, he must have announced in a low key manner he isn't running for re-election in Florida. That really would put Florida into play with a decent candidate.

 

[JRHawk2003]

The Republican plan is war, give tax cuts with no spending cuts, and increase the pork laden defense budget.

 

[timinatoria]

Ciggy Wasting Time and Energy on Meaningless Iran Deal Vote Threads.

 

[timinatoria]

The Republican plan is war, give tax cuts with no spending cuts, and increase the pork laden defense budget.

The Democrat plan is appeasement, tax increases with increased spending, and increasing the regulations on job creating businesses.

See how easy that is Jr?

 

[lucas80]

The Republican plan is war, give tax cuts with no spending cuts, and increase the pork laden defense budget.

You forgot intruding into individuals lives.

 

[Jan Itor]

The Republicans have no plans on healthcare, ISIS, Iran, or just about anything else. They don't have a choice but to throw out politically motivated votes.

They're voting on this to force Obama to veto. Then "if" the deal turns out to be a bug up our ass, Obama gets "All" the credit.

 

[Jan Itor]

They just don't have plans that you like.


You live on this board. You have seen topics with Republican solutions for all of these things.

You go with the tired mantra "Republicans have no ideas."

That's usually answered with "Dem/Socialists have no ideas that work."

You're exactly right. Red has been around looooooooooooooong enough to have seen the plans illustrated on this board, but because he doesn't agree they would/could do some good, they go in one ear and out the other. Not difficult considering there's nothing in between. Then he comes on here everyday and states, they have no plans. Tool.

 

[soybean]

They just don't have plans that you like.


You live on this board. You have seen topics with Republican solutions for all of these things.

You go with the tired mantra "Republicans have no ideas."

That's usually answered with "Dem/Socialists have no ideas that work."

OK. please give me the GOP alternative to the ACA, Iran Deal and ISIS. No soundbites and talking points, please. I'm looking for the plans you mentioned.

 

[22*43*51]

OK. please give me the GOP alternative to the ACA, Iran Deal and ISIS. No soundbites and talking points, please. I'm looking for the plans you mentioned.

Iran - Maintain sanctions, support Israel and don't deal until they discontinue massive support of terrorism in the region/world.

ISIS - Is Obama's baby. They wouldn't have come to power if not for the mindless withdrawal of our position in Iraq.

ACA - https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=gop+aca+alternative - There have been to many to list just one.

 

[Huey Grey]

They just don't have plans that you like.


You live on this board. You have seen topics with Republican solutions for all of these things.

You go with the tired mantra "Republicans have no ideas."

That's usually answered with "Dem/Socialists have no ideas that work."

I'm sorry but several loose ideas for healthcare, that not even the Republicans can agree on, is not a plan.

Going to war can be a plan, but it looses its punch when it's your solution to any foreign problems. You can't take the argument that we should still be at war in Afghanistan, start up another war in Iraq, launch a brand new war in Iran, and throw in a war with Russia as real problem solving.

 

[22*43*51]

I'm sorry but several loose ideas for healthcare, that not even the Republicans can agree on, is not a plan.

Going to war can be a plan, but it looses its punch when it's your solution to any foreign problems. You can't take the argument that we should still be at war in Afghanistan, start up another war in Iraq, launch a brand new war in Iran, and throw in a war with Russia as real problem solving.

As usual you are filled with emotional hyperbole.

 

[Huey Grey]

Iran - Maintain sanctions, support Israel and don't deal until they discontinue massive support of terrorism in the region/world.

ISIS - Is Obama's baby. They wouldn't have come to power if not for the mindless withdrawal of our position in Iraq.

ACA - https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=gop+aca+alternative - There have been to many to list just one.

This isn't the GOP plan on Iran. It's to talk tough, draw a redline, and use the military to force them to comply. Why would the GOP support sanctions in Iran, but not in Russia? And to be honest, neither party knows what to do with ISIS. The GOP line seems to be to go to war. This is my running gripe with the GOP. We can't go to war with everyone. You can't keep playing the war card for any foreign problem and call it a solution. It's simply not feasible.

 

[Huey Grey]

As usual you are filled with emotional hyperbole.

This is a puzzling statement. There is not one bit of emotion in my post. I simply presented the facts of what the GOP has to offer and its not much.

 

[Huey Grey]

And how are several competing GOP healthcare plans that they can't settle on, a plan of action? That's like asking someone what their plan for dinner is and they give you a list of several restaurants. Until you pick just one, everyone will go hungry.

 

[22*43*51]

And how are several competing GOP healthcare plans that they can't settle on, a plan of action? That's like asking someone what their plan for dinner is and they give you a list of several restaurants. Until you pick just one, everyone will go hungry.

They had plans for when the SCOTUS gutted the ACA, which they should of, but didn't. Now they will table them and see what happens in the general election.

More negative aspects of the ACA have had their roll-outs postponed intentionally until then. Once they begin to take their bite out of the average American then alternatives will be easy to pass.

 

[22*43*51]

This is a puzzling statement. There is not one bit of emotion in my post. I simply presented the facts of what the GOP has to offer and its not much.

The extremes you operate in are born from emotional hysterics.

 

[22*43*51]

This isn't the GOP plan on Iran. It's to talk tough, draw a redline, and use the military to force them to comply. Why would the GOP support sanctions in Iran, but not in Russia? And to be honest, neither party knows what to do with ISIS. The GOP line seems to be to go to war. This is my running gripe with the GOP. We can't go to war with everyone. You can't keep playing the war card for any foreign problem and call it a solution. It's simply not feasible.

The appeasement of an enemy who desires the destruction of you, your allies and everything you stand for doesn't make sense either, but that is the plan the Dems have gifted them.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Iran - Maintain sanctions, support Israel and don't deal until they discontinue massive support of terrorism in the region/world.

ISIS - Is Obama's baby. They wouldn't have come to power if not for the mindless withdrawal of our position in Iraq.

ACA - https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=gop+aca+alternative - There have been to many to list just one.

1. The sanctions are D-E-A-D. We can turn down this agreement but the rest of the world is going to engage Iran. Your "plan" is crap.

2. That's your plan? Worse than crap.

3, You finally got one. Quite the plan:

The bill would allow people to stash more money in tax-advantaged Health Savings Accounts and set aside $15 billion to defeat Alzheimer’s and other diseases, reasoning that cures would result in massive savings over time.

So people with no disposable income are going to "stash" money in an HSA? Is that before or after they max out their 401-K? Gotta give 'em credit for backing basic research, though. Wonder where the money comes from?

 

[JRHawk2003]

Maintaining the sanctions on Iran would not prevent them from getting a nuclear weapon. It's fait accompli. The treaty now won't either in the long run, but provides monitoring at least and some engagement.

ISIS is Obama's? That is rich. There would be no ISIS if not for the disaster of the Iraq War. We should have left Saddam alone. The idea that we were going to be welcome there and we could establish a western style democracy was pure fantasy....every bit as bad as those in the 60's with their Domino Theory.

None of those plans are comprehensive enough to replace the ACA. They don't address the cost of the uninsured . But I would just go single payer like the rest of the civilized world.

 

[Huey Grey]

They had plans for when the SCOTUS gutted the ACA, which they should of, but didn't. Now they will table them and see what happens in the general election.

More negative aspects of the ACA have had their roll-outs postponed intentionally until then. Once they begin to take their bite out of the average American then alternatives will be easy to pass.

Um, no, they didn't have a plan of what to do if the ACA was gutted. They couldn't settle on one. Having several competing ideas, few of which were even fully fleshed out, in no way prepares you to replace an entire nation's healthcare system.

And in all honesty the GOP won't have a real alternative anytime soon. Not next week, not next year. Not even in the next few years. What many don't know about the ACA is that it didn't start with Obama. It didn't even start when Obama was first a Senator. The Dems started hammering out the ACA when Clinton was President after the Dems got their 1990's healthcare plan shot down. It literally took them some 15 years to craft it. I'm guessing any real alternative would take a similar amount of time, which is why we shouldn't expect to see any actual solutions from the Republicans anytime soon.

 

[Huey Grey]

Maintaining the sanctions on Iran would not prevent them from getting a nuclear weapon. It's fait accompli. The treaty now won't either in the long run, but provides monitoring at least and some engagement.

ISIS is Obama's? That is rich. There would be no ISIS if not for the disaster of the Iraq War. We should have left Saddam alone. The idea that we were going to be welcome there and we could establish a western style democracy was pure fantasy....every bit as bad as those in the 60's with their Domino Theory.

None of those plans are comprehensive enough to replace the ACA. They don't address the cost of the uninsured . But I would just go single payer like the rest of the civilized world.

Even the Republican solution for education is to do nothing. It's to turn the keys over to the private sector and cross their fingers that everything will turn out ok.

 

[Huey Grey]

1. The sanctions are D-E-A-D. We can turn down this agreement but the rest of the world is going to engage Iran. Your "plan" is crap.

2. That's your plan? Worse than crap.

3, You finally got one. Quite the plan:

The bill would allow people to stash more money in tax-advantaged Health Savings Accounts and set aside $15 billion to defeat Alzheimer’s and other diseases, reasoning that cures would result in massive savings over time.

So people with no disposable income are going to "stash" money in an HSA? Is that before or after they max out their 401-K? Gotta give 'em credit for backing basic research, though. Wonder where the money comes from?

It's worse than that. The GOP healthcare plans that have been scored, which is painfully few because most aren't detailed enough to even be scored, have found that they will have nominal effects on both costs and coverage.

 

[22*43*51]

Maintaining the sanctions on Iran would not prevent them from getting a nuclear weapon. It's fait accompli. The treaty now won't either in the long run, but provides monitoring at least and some engagement.

ISIS is Obama's? That is rich. There would be no ISIS if not for the disaster of the Iraq War. We should have left Saddam alone. The idea that we were going to be welcome there and we could establish a western style democracy was pure fantasy....every bit as bad as those in the 60's with their Domino Theory.

None of those plans are comprehensive enough to replace the ACA. They don't address the cost of the uninsured . But I would just go single payer like the rest of the civilized world.

So you are supporting a Saddam dictatorship that gassed his own people? Short on compassion for brown poors, I see.

 

[22*43*51]

It's worse than that. The GOP healthcare plans that have been scored, which is painfully few because most aren't detailed enough to even be scored, have found that they will have nominal effects on both costs and coverage.

Sounds like you are retracting your dramatic post about the GOP having no plans.

I knew you would.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

So you are supporting a Saddam dictatorship that gassed his own people? Short on compassion for brown poors, I see.

You mean when he was our ally? With materials we provided? And we tried to help him cover it up?

THAT gassing? Under Reagan?

 

[86Hawkeye]

It will be good to see who doesn't care about American hostages because of partisan politics.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Sounds like you are retracting your dramatic post about the GOP having no plans.

I knew you would.

And you retracted your claim that they have a plan for Iran and ISIS? Sure seems like it.

 

[Huey Grey]

Sounds like you are retracting your dramatic post about the GOP having no plans.

I knew you would.

The debate isn't over "plans," plural, it is over "plan," singular. Having several loose outlines for what to do if the ACA collapsed isn't reassuring to the millions who would suddenly lose coverage. You need one plan ready to go.

 

[IMCC965]

McConnell is a gutless, double-chinned weasel. How does such a waste of DNA get elected county weed commissioner let alone to the U.S. Senate?

Couldn't have said it better myself. He's a waste of sperm and egg.