McIlravy

[butchinmi]

Someone mentioned his freshman record in another post so I was hunting to find results. I saw he was 22-2 his freshman year. Anyone have the match results?

Also, I found this. What the heck is the (12):

Career record of 96-3-12 at the University of Iowa

 

[OL119]

I'm guessing it's an error, unless they are doing it like the NHL and counting overtime wins...

 

[twade70]

Someone mentioned his freshman record in another post so I was hunting to find results. I saw he was 22-2 his freshman year. Anyone have the match results?

Also, I found this. What the heck is the (12):

Career record of 96-3-12 at the University of Iowa

Not sure on the 12 (pins maybe?), but a while back (I think it's when everyone was talking about Ramos going undefeated in CHA), I did deep dives into the careers of some of the all-time great Hawkeye wrestlers to figure out who they lost to. Here's what I found on McIlravy and his "official" 3 losses:

Freshman year: Loss in his CHA (and starting lineup) debut in the NW dual to Paul Andreotti, Lost to Dan Spilde of Wisconsin 4-2 in Big 10 finals.

Sophomore year: Undefeated

Junior year: Loss to Steve Marianetti in the NCAA Finals

Senior year: Undefeated

One comment on his losses. 2 things lead me to think he had another loss prior to being pulled out of redshirt:

1) I ran across a February 1993 article in the Daily Iowan which noted he had a loss prior to his first varsity start) but I have yet to find out who that loss was to

2) Gable's recent book "A Wrestling Life: The Inspiring Stories of Dan Gable" he has an entire chapter on McIlravy's freshman season. When talking about his decision to pull McIlravy out of redshirt, he wrote the following: "McIlravy was already proving himself as a redshirt wrestler. The freshman had a record of many wins and a couple of losses against much of the same competition the Hawkeyes had seen throughout the season."

Normally official records don't include matches while redshirting, but since he came out of redshirt his freshman year, I would have thought his entire freshman record would have counted. One other note, the TV broadcast of the NCAA finals showed his record as 21-2 (i.e. the 2 official losses listed above).

 

[butchinmi]

Good stuff Twade - thanks.

 

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Not sure on the 12 (pins maybe?), but a while back (I think it's when everyone was talking about Ramos going undefeated in CHA), I did deep dives into the careers of some of the all-time great Hawkeye wrestlers to figure out who they lost to. Here's what I found on McIlravy and his "official" 3 losses:

Freshman year: Loss in his CHA (and starting lineup) debut in the NW dual to Paul Andreotti, Lost to Dan Spilde of Wisconsin 4-2 in Big 10 finals.

Sophomore year: Undefeated

Junior year: Loss to Steve Marianetti in the NCAA Finals

Senior year: Undefeated

One comment on his losses. 2 things lead me to think he had another loss prior to being pulled out of redshirt:

1) I ran across a February 1993 article in the Daily Iowan which noted he had a loss prior to his first varsity start) but I have yet to find out who that loss was to

2) Gable's recent book "A Wrestling Life: The Inspiring Stories of Dan Gable" he has an entire chapter on McIlravy's freshman season. When talking about his decision to pull McIlravy out of redshirt, he wrote the following: "McIlravy was already proving himself as a redshirt wrestler. The freshman had a record of many wins and a couple of losses against much of the same competition the Hawkeyes had seen throughout the season."

Normally official records don't include matches while redshirting, but since he came out of redshirt his freshman year, I would have thought his entire freshman record would have counted. One other note, the TV broadcast of the NCAA finals showed his record as 21-2 (i.e. the 2 official losses listed above).

The 12 is a typo of some sort. Don't think it has any significance.

If you look at the timetables of when Lincoln came out of redshirt, I think his record that year HAS to include all of his matches. He had 24 matches that year, and his 2nd Varsity match was on Feb. 13th, with only 2 more duals to go (at Home against fOSU & away at Iowa State). So he'd already wrestled the dual against Northwestern which he lost in. So he had a 3-1 dual record, and a loss in the Big Ten Finals, where he most likely wrestled 3 times, and possibly 4 (11 teams in the Big Ten at the time). He won 5 matches at the NCAA Championships in Ames.

So, as a Varsity wrestler, it appears his record was either 10-2 or 11-2, meaning he had to be undefeated at the time his redshirt was pulled and those matches had to count in order to get him to 22-2 on the year.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it....................

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

Will never forget that loss in his Carver debut. I remember him trying a bunch of boot scoots that didn't work. (They look kinda funny when they don't work.). We were scratching our heads wondering if this was really the same kid everyone was raving about. Even though he wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire that night, we figured he'd still manage to win the match. Then he lost, and we all thought he may have been over-hyped.

Well, then he went on to have a pretty decent career. And that boot scoot of his ended up working quite a few times. Not over-hyped after all.

 

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On a side note, just something I thought was kind of weird/interesting regarding the NCAA Bracket during Lincoln's run to the NCAA Title that True Freshman year at 142 lbs.

The 1st round featured a match between unseeded Paul Andreotti (Lincoln's 1st Varsity Loss) and unseeded Steve St. John (Lincoln's 1st Varsity Win). St. John won that match 5-2.

St. John then lost 6-4 in OT to #1 seed Shannyn Gillispie of Lock Haven. Gillispie beat #8 seed Russ Hughes of PSU 5-4 in the quarterfinals, before Lincoln beat Gillispie in the 12-7 in the semi's. And then IT happened. The most hyperventilated I've ever been watching a wrestling match live, with Lincoln taking out #2 seed Gerry Abas for the 142 lb NCAA Title, 16-15!

Gerry Abas - 4x AA - 6,2,2,2

Steve St. John - 3x AA - DNP,4,3,2 (dropped down to 134 after DNP in 1993 - all his AA finishes were at 134)

Anyway, I thought it was interesting, you may or may not..............

 

[wneff]

1. The 12 probably is falls.
2. Per an old media guide I have, wrestling unattached, he defaulted the 150 finals of the Northern Open to Terry Steiner. That may be the other "loss."

 

[GG121AND2]

Not sure on the 12 (pins maybe?), but a while back (I think it's when everyone was talking about Ramos going undefeated in CHA), I did deep dives into the careers of some of the all-time great Hawkeye wrestlers to figure out who they lost to. Here's what I found on McIlravy and his "official" 3 losses:

Freshman year: Loss in his CHA (and starting lineup) debut in the NW dual to Paul Andreotti, Lost to Dan Spilde of Wisconsin 4-2 in Big 10 finals.

Sophomore year: Undefeated

Junior year: Loss to Steve Marianetti in the NCAA Finals

Senior year: Undefeated

One comment on his losses. 2 things lead me to think he had another loss prior to being pulled out of redshirt:

1) I ran across a February 1993 article in the Daily Iowan which noted he had a loss prior to his first varsity start) but I have yet to find out who that loss was to

2) Gable's recent book "A Wrestling Life: The Inspiring Stories of Dan Gable" he has an entire chapter on McIlravy's freshman season. When talking about his decision to pull McIlravy out of redshirt, he wrote the following: "McIlravy was already proving himself as a redshirt wrestler. The freshman had a record of many wins and a couple of losses against much of the same competition the Hawkeyes had seen throughout the season."

Normally official records don't include matches while redshirting, but since he came out of redshirt his freshman year, I would have thought his entire freshman record would have counted. One other note, the TV broadcast of the NCAA finals showed his record as 21-2 (i.e. the 2 official losses listed above).

If I remember correctly, Lincoln forfeited the Midlands final to Terry Steiner his freshman year.

On another note regarding Lincoln and "A Wrestling Life": in the book, Gable states that Lincoln was the first true freshman to win an NCAA title. The first was actually Dick Hauser from Cornell College in 1947, followed to weight classes by his team mate Lowell Lange (who was - and may still be - the youngest to win one). Ironically, they were both Waterloo West grads like Gable.