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strummingram said:
No, you're not. Your mind is made up. You're a dedicated, true believer. Everything you've offered is confirmation bias from other saints, Catholic priests, etc.. Without the RCC, you're lost.
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My mind is made up but I'm curious why @Capernum has a heterodox theology.

So far he's only said "because I went to seminary" which doesn't mean much when some of the greatest theoligians in history disagree and they also went to seminary.

Joseph Ratzinger is one. He's written 66 books on theology.
 
BHawkeye1999 said:
Why won't you educate me on your perspective, then? I'm simply asking why you don't believe in Hell even though it's been a central part of Christianity for 2,000 years.

You said you went to seminary, but that doesn't mean much when so many scholars believe in Hell that also went to seminary.

Why are you right and they're wrong?
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Why do I believe what I believe? Because I’ve studied. I’ve read many perspectives. I’ve written papers and had my perspectives critiqued by PhDs. I’ve wrestled and questioned and learned. I’m not telling you to believe anything, you came at me. Am I right and they are wrong? That’s not for me to say.
 
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Capernum said:
Why do I believe what I believe? Because I’ve studied. I’ve read many perspectives. I’ve written papers and had my perspectives critiqued by PhDs. I’ve wrestled and questioned and learned. I’m not telling you to believe anything, you came at me. Am I right and they are wrong? That’s not for me to say.
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Stating your resume doesn't explain why you don't believe in Jesus's teachings on Hell.

Can you explain why, in a few sentences?
 
BHawkeye1999 said:
My mind is made up but I'm curious why @Capernum has a heterodox theology.

So far he's only said "because I went to seminary" which doesn't mean much when some of the greatest theoligians in history disagree and they also went to seminary.

Joseph Ratzinger is one. He's written 66 books on theology.
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Jesus was heterodox!
 
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Capernum said:
I do believe Jesus’ teachings on hell. I just don’t think they mean what you think they mean. And the reason why is because that’s where the scholarship led me.
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Thanks.

What do you think Jesus meant and why?
 
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Capernum said:
I do believe Jesus’ teachings on hell. I just don’t think they mean what you think they mean. And the reason why is because that’s where the scholarship led me.
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BTW, I've been studying Christianity since I reverted 5 years ago. I've spent tons of time reading the Gospels, Augustine, Blaise Pascal, Thomas Aquinas, Ratzinger, William Lane Craig, Dr. Ralph Martin, Father Thomas Joseph White, Dr. Michael Rota, Teresa of Avila, Padre Pio as well as meeting with clergy that have a Doctorate in Sacred Theology monthly and asking 350 questions. I also have a friend that's a philosophy professor at the University of Scranton that I talk with daily.

I've also been praying 3-5 hours per day.

So, I'm not a complete rube, as you assume. I'm just curious about your perspective since it's so different than the scholars I have been engaging with.
 
BHawkeye1999 said:
BTW, I've been studying Christianity since I reverted 5 years ago. I've spent tons of time reading the Gospels, Augustine, Blaise Pascal, Thomas Aquinas, Ratzinger, William Lane Craig, Dr. Ralph Martin, Father Thomas Joseph White, Dr. Michael Rota, Teresa of Avila, Padre Pio as well as meeting with clergy that have a Doctorate in Sacred Theology monthly and asking 350 questions. I also have a friend that's a philosophy professor at the University of Scranton that I talk with daily.

I've also been praying 3-5 hours per day.

So, I'm not a complete rube, as you assume. I'm just curious about your perspective since it's so different than the scholars I have been engaging with.
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That’s good! Keep going. In the meantime, searching for what you believe is not equivalent to demanding that others come to the same conclusions as you and declaring them heretics if they don’t.

Here is an example of what this academic discourse looks like. I would encourage you to study more on Christian history, how the bible came to be, what the ancient cultures were that the biblical books were written for, etc. That will give you a deeper understanding. No, everyone isn’t in agreement but there are three major schools of thought. You fall into ECT, there is also conditionalism, and universalism. I happen to fall into one of the other two *orthodox* views.

 
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Capernum said:
That’s good! Keep going. In the meantime, searching for what you believe is not equivalent to demanding that others come to the same conclusions as you and declaring them heretics if they don’t.

Here is an example of what this academic discourse looks like. I would encourage you to study more on Christian history, how the bible came to be, what the ancient cultures were that the biblical books were written for, etc. That will give you a deeper understanding. No, everyone isn’t in agreement but there are three major schools of thought. You fall into ECT, there is also conditionalism, and universalism. I happen to fall into one of the other two *orthodox* views.

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I started that article. Thanks. My issue with reconciliationism is that it assumes God will interfere with the free will of the damned and force them to love Him. I don't think He would. The people in Hell are still free to sin.

Here's an article on why Hell is eternal.

www.catholic.com

Dialogue: Is Hell Forever?

Trent sits down with Randal Rauser who defends “annihilationism,” or the belief that God annihilates the damned and does not let them exist in hell for eternity.
www.catholic.com www.catholic.com
 
Capernum said:
That’s good! Keep going. In the meantime, searching for what you believe is not equivalent to demanding that others come to the same conclusions as you and declaring them heretics if they don’t.

Here is an example of what this academic discourse looks like. I would encourage you to study more on Christian history, how the bible came to be, what the ancient cultures were that the biblical books were written for, etc. That will give you a deeper understanding. No, everyone isn’t in agreement but there are three major schools of thought. You fall into ECT, there is also conditionalism, and universalism. I happen to fall into one of the other two *orthodox* views.

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Have you ever read Blaise Pascal?

Do you have an opinion on his famous (or infamous) wager?

 
I did some work at Samaritan's Purse and BGEA. I was overwhelmed by 2 things - how lavish the facilities are, and the security at both facilities. Both offer high level kitchens, including well regarded executive chefs, and subsidized meals for employees. BGEA has a concert grand piano in the dining room, along with pianist playing at lunch. Both facilities have armed guards, and a sophisticated badging system to get in. The rank and file employees at both places are very dedicated. The Executives and upper level management enjoy some nice perks. There was a lot of internal infighting while Franklin was taking over BGEA.
 
LuteHawk said:
Franklin Graham inherited the family business with no
credentials to deserve it. He is not a Bible scholar or
theologian who can write award winning books. Instead
he has become a fund raiser who mixes religion and politics.
Without his last name, Franklin would be a cashier at
Walmart.
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Nah, he'd be working in the cart barn at Mar-a-lardo
 
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