MH370 experts think they’ve finally solved the mystery of the doomed Malaysia Airlines flight
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They must be discussing OP’s mom
Nah, there are only seven guys there.
I watched the Australian 60 Minutes story from a couple of days ago. It is ok, not great - they stretched it out too long, but in a nutshell you have to figure out which one happened:
1) the plane plunged after running out of fuel (this is where the search area has been)
2) the pilot tried to land it in the Indian Ocean and succeeded, in which case the aircraft is likely at the bottom of the ocean 50+ miles from the search area that the ATSB has focused on to date
1) the plane plunged after running out of fuel (this is where the search area has been)
2) the pilot tried to land it in the Indian Ocean and succeeded, in which case the aircraft is likely at the bottom of the ocean 50+ miles from the search area that the ATSB has focused on to date
I'd like to see more information on the pilot, and what his state of mind might have been. There is so little physical evidence it's hard to lay the blame on him. It's weird, I'll give you that. The flight path and lack of communication, but to hang it all on him should have some proof or explanation.
I do miss the wacky British aviation expert who was on CNN all the time.
I do miss the wacky British aviation expert who was on CNN all the time.
They discovered a flight on his in-home simulator that ended in the southern Indian Ocean. He very well could have practiced this ending and probably did. Here's a link that shows the route in his simulator and the one investigators assume he actually flew: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/07/mh370-pilot-flew-suicide-route-on-home-simulator.html
Never mind all of the other evidence such as all of the coincidences of when the transponders were turned off, then where the plane chose to fly next (right along Thai and Malaysian border so neither military would be worried about it), the fact that there were no emergency calls placed (likely because the captain depressurized the cabin and everybody passed out).
I think this is the most likely explanation. Nothing else really makes any obvious sense.
What a pos if true. You want to off yourself fine, have at it. But to kill so many and ruin the lives of many more you really have to be a disgusting type of evil human being.
Some other speculation from back around the time the flight went down:
* politically, he was known to be "against" Malaysia's current leader (I seem to recall some social media posts)
* while just rumors, there were plenty of rumors that his wife was going to leave him
But yeah, he had 20,000 hours of experience and a simulator in his house. This was no accident, I'm afraid. What really pisses me off is there's serious disagreement about where he might have brought the plane down and the Australian body in control of the search has perhaps been wasting millions or dollars and time searching the wrong area.
isn't one of the documentaries about how we did not go to the moon, from Australia as well? or maybe it was 9-11. for sure it was 9-11, a 9-11 documentary, that was from Australia. maybe the aussies make good conspiracy theory documentaries.
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Even more so that usual, I'm left without any clue WTF you are talking about?
well, just saying that this is the thing of conspiracy theorists, this missing airplane. and that maybe Australians do some work towards feeding such theories
Super-interesting update - WSPR method is really some fantastic shit....
The theory of a deliberate crash could be further substantiated by determining the flight path. On 31 December 2021, Godfrey published a report on a new method that could be used to determine the flight path of the aircraft. The breakthrough was an analysis of data from the Weak Signal Propagation Reporter Network (WSPRnet). Put in simple terms, the analysis looked for interference in radiocommunications between points around the globe. These communications can be thought of as tripwires running between two points. If there is a communication and the aircraft passes through the airspace where the radio waves for that communication are travelling, then there will be interference in the signal. This allowed for a new complete preliminary flight path that not only matched the known actual flight path, but also extended and followed the aircraft through the area of uncertainty of the seven arcs. In addition, the WSPR path better matched the military radar data, validating the 18:01correction[10]. This methodology was later refined and some interesting discoveries were made that also support the active pilot theory, such as a holding pattern off the west coast of Indonesia and a series of manoeuvres towards the end of the flight. The report concludes that the approximate location of the crash of MH370 is 30.57°S 98.75°E, in an unexplored part of the southern Indian Ocean, approximately 78 km south-east of the 7thArc[11].
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The WSPR path may provide a clue as to the possible intervention of the captain. Not only does it match the original known flight path, but it also shows that the plane was in full control until the end of its flight. At about 19:12 UTC, MH370 flies in a holding pattern for about 22 minutes. Later, MH370appears to make a series of coordinated zigzag turns and turns[11][14][15].All the new evidence points to a deliberate attempt to crash and sink the plane in a remote location. Several facts point to the possible involvement of the captain. Firstly, in order for the aircraft to suddenly go radar silent, both transponders on board would have to fail at the same time, indicating that they were probably switched off manually, which only someone experienced with the aircraft would be able to do. This would also explain the loss of SATCOM and its subsequent reconnection. Later, the aircraft is in a holding pattern for about 22minutes. This occurs immediately after SATCOM is reconnected and the logon request is received. It has been speculated that a satellite call may have been made during this time, possibly to negotiate a ransom. However, no official record of this has been released by either the Malaysian or Indonesian governments. The holding pattern also shows that the previous turns made by the plane would most likely have been performed manually by the captain, rather than automatically by the autopilot. Later, the plane begins to fly in a zigzag pattern, changing altitude and airspeed, probably to avoid detection. Once the fuel was exhausted, the captain may have configured the aircraft to ensure structural failure and sinking of the aircraft. The flaps are not extended to achieve maximum speed and the landing gear is extended to allow water to enter the fuselage and to cause a sudden deceleration, ensuring partial or total destruction of the aircraft. The aircraft then crashed into the sea at a high rate of speed at approximately 30.57°S98.75°E.This theory attempts to reconcile the facts with the evidence recovered but cannot be validated until the black boxes are found.
www.mh370search.com
www.airlineratings.com
The theory of a deliberate crash could be further substantiated by determining the flight path. On 31 December 2021, Godfrey published a report on a new method that could be used to determine the flight path of the aircraft. The breakthrough was an analysis of data from the Weak Signal Propagation Reporter Network (WSPRnet). Put in simple terms, the analysis looked for interference in radiocommunications between points around the globe. These communications can be thought of as tripwires running between two points. If there is a communication and the aircraft passes through the airspace where the radio waves for that communication are travelling, then there will be interference in the signal. This allowed for a new complete preliminary flight path that not only matched the known actual flight path, but also extended and followed the aircraft through the area of uncertainty of the seven arcs. In addition, the WSPR path better matched the military radar data, validating the 18:01correction[10]. This methodology was later refined and some interesting discoveries were made that also support the active pilot theory, such as a holding pattern off the west coast of Indonesia and a series of manoeuvres towards the end of the flight. The report concludes that the approximate location of the crash of MH370 is 30.57°S 98.75°E, in an unexplored part of the southern Indian Ocean, approximately 78 km south-east of the 7thArc[11].
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The WSPR path may provide a clue as to the possible intervention of the captain. Not only does it match the original known flight path, but it also shows that the plane was in full control until the end of its flight. At about 19:12 UTC, MH370 flies in a holding pattern for about 22 minutes. Later, MH370appears to make a series of coordinated zigzag turns and turns[11][14][15].All the new evidence points to a deliberate attempt to crash and sink the plane in a remote location. Several facts point to the possible involvement of the captain. Firstly, in order for the aircraft to suddenly go radar silent, both transponders on board would have to fail at the same time, indicating that they were probably switched off manually, which only someone experienced with the aircraft would be able to do. This would also explain the loss of SATCOM and its subsequent reconnection. Later, the aircraft is in a holding pattern for about 22minutes. This occurs immediately after SATCOM is reconnected and the logon request is received. It has been speculated that a satellite call may have been made during this time, possibly to negotiate a ransom. However, no official record of this has been released by either the Malaysian or Indonesian governments. The holding pattern also shows that the previous turns made by the plane would most likely have been performed manually by the captain, rather than automatically by the autopilot. Later, the plane begins to fly in a zigzag pattern, changing altitude and airspeed, probably to avoid detection. Once the fuel was exhausted, the captain may have configured the aircraft to ensure structural failure and sinking of the aircraft. The flaps are not extended to achieve maximum speed and the landing gear is extended to allow water to enter the fuselage and to cause a sudden deceleration, ensuring partial or total destruction of the aircraft. The aircraft then crashed into the sea at a high rate of speed at approximately 30.57°S98.75°E.This theory attempts to reconcile the facts with the evidence recovered but cannot be validated until the black boxes are found.
The Ongoing Search for MH370 | The Search for MH370
www.mh370search.com
REFINED STUDY PINPOINTS LOCATION OF MH370 - Airline Ratings
A new report into the disappearance of MH370 has pinpointed a location further north than first thought.
www.airlineratings.com
It's weird to think it, but I hope the passengers were incapacitated, or dead already. Was the pilot on the flight deck all alone, and locked everyone else out? Unimaginable to spend all that time in the cabin fearing what was going to happen.
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In May 2021, aerospace engineer Richard Godfrey suggested an examination of historical WSPR data to further define the flight path of Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 on 8 March 2014, suggesting that there were "518 unique transmission paths that cross the area of interest around Malaysia, the Malacca Strait and the Indian Ocean. With the WSPR data provided every two minutes and the ability to check against the satellite data every hour it is possible to detect and track MH370 from two independent sources."[7] In November 2021, Godfrey reported that analysis using WSPR technology indicated the aircraft flew in circles for around 22 minutes in an area 150 nautical miles from the coast of Sumatra before vanishing.[8] Later that month, Godfrey announced a proposed search area with a radius of 40.0 nautical miles (74.1 km) centered around 33.177°S 95.3°E in the southern Indian Ocean. This new location was identified through extensive analysis of separate data sets, including Inmarsat satellite data, Boeing performance data, oceanographic floating debris drift data, and WSPR net data.[9][10]
In February 2022, the Australian Transport Safety Bureau and Geoscience Australia confirmed they were reviewing old data related to MH370, following the release of Godfrey's report.[11]
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In May 2021, aerospace engineer Richard Godfrey suggested an examination of historical WSPR data to further define the flight path of Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 on 8 March 2014, suggesting that there were "518 unique transmission paths that cross the area of interest around Malaysia, the Malacca Strait and the Indian Ocean. With the WSPR data provided every two minutes and the ability to check against the satellite data every hour it is possible to detect and track MH370 from two independent sources."[7] In November 2021, Godfrey reported that analysis using WSPR technology indicated the aircraft flew in circles for around 22 minutes in an area 150 nautical miles from the coast of Sumatra before vanishing.[8] Later that month, Godfrey announced a proposed search area with a radius of 40.0 nautical miles (74.1 km) centered around 33.177°S 95.3°E in the southern Indian Ocean. This new location was identified through extensive analysis of separate data sets, including Inmarsat satellite data, Boeing performance data, oceanographic floating debris drift data, and WSPR net data.[9][10]
In February 2022, the Australian Transport Safety Bureau and Geoscience Australia confirmed they were reviewing old data related to MH370, following the release of Godfrey's report.[11]
WSPR (amateur radio software) - Wikipedia
Most of the aircraft is washing up on shores in pieces the size of a shoebox. That hit was some serious velocity.
Yup, due west north west in Africa. Besides this theory and ACAR etc, jack didly squat has been found except for a few parts. Even if the aircraft nose dived, there should still be a large chunk of the fuselage. The ocean is deep there so who knows?
Look at swiss air 111 and air france. Both nose dived at high velocities. Still, large intact pieces of the fuselage were found.
It's there but a theory is just that without resultant data.
We had such better data where SWR111 and AF447 went down early on - made it for a lot easier hunting. SWR was - relatively speaking - right below the surface so it was an easy find. AF447 was closer to the likely depth of MH370 (~4K meters) so it's doable. As we get more and more data to triangulate the location - I'm sure some billionaire is going to fund a fishing expedition. The mystery is just too enticing but any evidence found is going to be challenging at best to decipher this far on. I hope someone does it before I die.
Sure. Your points are totally valid. My advisor actually died on Swiss Air 111. I just think it is premature to start getting hopeful.
When I said I hoped it happens before I die...I was hoping in the next 30ish years. Do you know something I don't know? ;-)
Are we writing off the theory that they entered another dimension?
I am bummed that before @Joes Place bumped this thrwad @ottumwan in tx was the last to post in it. It was the perfect bow to a nice little conspiracy thread.
LOLWUT?
The new analysis is providing "additional data"; which points to an as-of-now, unsearched area. And the new data are consistent with the existing satellite information.
No one has put any money to a search based on this so called additional data. It's a hunch, by a ham radio operator.
Wait! You mean Russia didn't do it?
The preferred answer is always human error (accidental or otherwise).
The preferred answer is always human error (accidental or otherwise).
