MH370 experts think they’ve finally solved the mystery of the doomed Malaysia Airlines flight

[Joes Place]

FWIW, this was the original search area, on the presumption the plane kept flying straight, toward the 7th arc ping detected by satellite

Search area proposed is ~98.7° longitude by 30°S latitude, which is off the above photo, in the upper right (just about where the red line runs off the graphic); at least 200 miles away from the most upper edge of the previous scanned ocean zones.

The program director for the original search indicates this new data justifies a new search, which is expected to begin this year.

Peter Foley, former Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) program director of the MH370 hunt said at the event there was still 100,000 km2 left of the seabed to be examined.​

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“I’ve said for quite some time that I believed the official search ended prematurely,” Foley said.​

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He believes that Ocean Infinity’s technology could succeed in as little as 100 days.​

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“We were still very eager to continue. We knew there were some highly prospective areas that needed to be searched and there was some crucial analysis that was still being undertaken at the time the search was wound up.”​

Search for MH370 to resume in 2023

The company, Ocean Infinity, concluded its first search in 2018 without any success, but is set to begin the investigation again by the first half of 2023, after investing in more advanced technology.

australianaviation.com.au

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Wrong plane foo’

But, but Russia is always the bad guy.

 

[BelemNole]

But, but Russia is always the bad guy.

That reminds me, I was cleaning out my spam folder and I had several messages from Ted Algren.....

 

[srams21]

FWIW, this was the original search area, on the presumption the plane kept flying straight, toward the 7th arc ping detected by satellite

I don't know squat about this type of data but was the 7th arc ping detected by satellite just bad or misintrepreted data? Is this new data more accurate?

 

[Joes Place]

I don't know squat about this type of data but was the 7th arc ping detected by satellite just bad or misintrepreted data? Is this new data more accurate?

The satellite arc pings showed where the plane was only along those arcs - the presumption in the search areas was that the plane was mostly flying "straight" on autopilot and everyone, including the pilot, was dead or incapacitated.

The WSPR data clearly shows this is not true, and indicates many places the plane changed directions, and made a sharp turn on the last pings. This is why the new target search area will be ~200 miles NE of where they tried searching.

Connect the dots on the satellite pings in mostly a straight line, and you get the already searched zones; the WSPR data implies why they didn't find anything, because they've been searching the wrong area.

 

[lucas80]

Rumblings that as the 10th anniversary of the plane’s loss may bring a new search.

Malaysia may renew the search for MH370 a decade after the flight disappeared

Malaysia’s government says it may renew the search for MH370 after a U.S. technology firm proposed a fresh search in the southern Indian Ocean where the Malaysia Airlines plane is believed to have crashed.

apnews.com

 

[Jimmy McGill]

Waste of time and resources...

 

[bhawk24bob]

Explain to me like I'm a kid why it's important to find this airplane. We know it's not still flying, and we have a large enough sample to know that it's not going to happen to another 777

 

[Jimmy McGill]

Explain to me like I'm a kid why it's important to find this airplane. We know it's not still flying, and we have a large enough sample to know that it's not going to happen to another 777

It is not going to be found. That is why it is a waste of resources.

 

[Bierhalter]

Explain to me like I'm a kid why it's important to find this airplane. We know it's not still flying, and we have a large enough sample to know that it's not going to happen to another 777

Just spitballing, but to recover the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder. Unless and until it's proven that the plane crash was a deliberate act by the flight crew, investigators should proceed under the assumption that some flaw, probably in one of the electronic flight systems, caused the crash, and that possibility needs to be investigated to ensure it doesn't happen again. Particularly if they recover the CVR, that will hopefully clear up whether the flight turned into some sort of hostage-taking situation.

Not to mention it may be important to recover as many human remains as possible from the wreckage - if only for the sake of closure for the victims' families but I would imagine it would help resolve any ongoing litigation about the crash.

 

[B1GDeal]

Just spitballing, but to recover the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder. Unless and until it's proven that the plane crash was a deliberate act by the flight crew, investigators should proceed under the assumption that some flaw, probably in one of the electronic flight systems, caused the crash, and that possibility needs to be investigated to ensure it doesn't happen again. Particularly if they recover the CVR, that will hopefully clear up whether the flight turned into some sort of hostage-taking situation.

Not to mention it may be important to recover as many human remains as possible from the wreckage - if only for the sake of closure for the victims' families but I would imagine it would help resolve any ongoing litigation about the crash.

Recorders... ok. But remains... 10 years later??? This to me is like Titanic or something. Let them rest where they are which is likely too far below the surface for any real recovery anyway.

 

[GOHOX69]

It is not going to be found. That is why it is a waste of resources.

No offense counselor, but how do you know this? Technology changes, data collection changes. I think the search is owed to those who died on that flight and their loved ones. You're not footing the bill. Let the Government of Malaysia pay for it. There are numerous private companies willing to assist with updated coordinates and tech.

 

[GOHOX69]

Just spitballing, but to recover the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder. Unless and until it's proven that the plane crash was a deliberate act by the flight crew, investigators should proceed under the assumption that some flaw, probably in one of the electronic flight systems, caused the crash, and that possibility needs to be investigated to ensure it doesn't happen again. Particularly if they recover the CVR, that will hopefully clear up whether the flight turned into some sort of hostage-taking situation.

Not to mention it may be important to recover as many human remains as possible from the wreckage - if only for the sake of closure for the victims' families but I would imagine it would help resolve any ongoing litigation about the crash.

The CVR and flight data recorder, at best, do not have battery power or the ability to withstand corrosive salt water for a decade. Not to mention, the crushing pressure in the Southern Indian Ocean, where experts believe the plane may be. We're talking about depths in excess of 20,000 Feet. I think, at best, they will get good imagery to prove the plane is there, along with the ability to send deep unmanned submersibles to recover debris and perhaps the recorder(s). What value they would add is beyond me.

 

[mnole03]

No offense counselor, but how do you know this? Technology changes, data collection changes. I think the search is owed to those who died on that flight and their loved ones. You're not footing the bill. Let the Government of Malaysia pay for it. There are numerous private companies willing to assist with updated coordinates and tech.

It’s dangerous. Southern Indian Ocean is as bad as it gets weather-wise. Heavy seas with driven rain so strong our kent screen couldn’t keep up.

 

[GOHOX69]

It’s dangerous. Southern Indian Ocean is as bad as it gets weather-wise. Heavy seas with driven rain so strong our kent screen couldn’t keep up.

Life is dangerous. There are competent people with competent resources willing to try. Due to maritime laws, they can't without the permission of the Government of Malaysia. I'm pretty sure these folks know the risks of the trade and aren't idiots.

 

[mnole03]

Just spitballing, but to recover the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder. Unless and until it's proven that the plane crash was a deliberate act by the flight crew, investigators should proceed under the assumption that some flaw, probably in one of the electronic flight systems, caused the crash, and that possibility needs to be investigated to ensure it doesn't happen again. Particularly if they recover the CVR, that will hopefully clear up whether the flight turned into some sort of hostage-taking situation.

Not to mention it may be important to recover as many human remains as possible from the wreckage - if only for the sake of closure for the victims' families but I would imagine it would help resolve any ongoing litigation about the crash.

It’s been ten years. There are no human remains.

Additionally the pilot ran a suicide mission on his home simulator. We know what happened.

 

[Bierhalter]

It’s been ten years. There are no human remains.

Additionally the pilot ran a suicide mission on his home simulator. We know what happened.

1. I wouldn't be so sure. There could just be family heirlooms down there for all we know.

2. Has that been conclusively proven? I see a lot of articles referencing theories, secondhand conversations off the record, etc. Not much chatter on this since 2020, 2022.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

Just spitballing, but to recover the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder. Unless and until it's proven that the plane crash was a deliberate act by the flight crew, investigators should proceed under the assumption that some flaw, probably in one of the electronic flight systems, caused the crash, and that possibility needs to be investigated to ensure it doesn't happen again. Particularly if they recover the CVR, that will hopefully clear up whether the flight turned into some sort of hostage-taking situation.

Not to mention it may be important to recover as many human remains as possible from the wreckage - if only for the sake of closure for the victims' families but I would imagine it would help resolve any ongoing litigation about the crash.

I don't think there are any remains to recover. Given a long enough exposure to salt water I believe bodies actually dissolve.

That said there can still be closure from locating the plane and it's valuable to find the data recorders if possible to find out what caused the crash.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

The CVR and flight data recorder, at best, do not have battery power or the ability to withstand corrosive salt water for a decade. Not to mention, the crushing pressure in the Southern Indian Ocean, where experts believe the plane may be. We're talking about depths in excess of 20,000 Feet. I think, at best, they will get good imagery to prove the plane is there, along with the ability to send deep unmanned submersibles to recover debris and perhaps the recorder(s). What value they would add is beyond me.

Are you sure they couldn't stand up to it? These things are designed to survive if a plane slams into the ground at 500 mph and burns. Seems to me they could probably survive 10 years in salt water.

Sure the battery is dead but the battery was just there to make a small sound that can be picked up by SONAR to help find it.

I'd find it hard to believe something that can survive slamming into the ground at 500+ mph and then a massive fire can't survive 10 years in salt water.

 

[fredjr82]

Rumblings that as the 10th anniversary of the plane’s loss may bring a new search.

Malaysia may renew the search for MH370 a decade after the flight disappeared

Malaysia’s government says it may renew the search for MH370 after a U.S. technology firm proposed a fresh search in the southern Indian Ocean where the Malaysia Airlines plane is believed to have crashed.

apnews.com

Holy crap! It's been 10 years since that happened? That doesn't seem possible. That feels like a few years back.

 

[TJ8869]

You're not footing the bill. Let the Government of Malaysia pay for it.

Malaysia couldn’t even outbid Singapore for Taylor Swift concerts. Now they’re going to squander countless millions of dollars looking for a small box at the bottom of the ocean?

 

[GOHOX69]

Malaysia couldn’t even outbid Singapore for Taylor Swift concerts. Now they’re going to squander countless millions of dollars looking for a small box at the bottom of the ocean?

It's their aircraft. They can do what they see fit.

 

[GOHOX69]

Are you sure they couldn't stand up to it? These things are designed to survive if a plane slams into the ground at 500 mph and burns. Seems to me they could probably survive 10 years in salt water.

Sure the battery is dead but the battery was just there to make a small sound that can be picked up by SONAR to help find it.

I'd find it hard to believe something that can survive slamming into the ground at 500+ mph and then a massive fire can't survive 10 years in salt water.

That says 2 years.

Black Boxes From Flight 370 Could Survive Even in Salt Water

Even in corrosive salt water, the crucial recorders from Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 should survive with most of their data intact.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

That says 2 years.

Black Boxes From Flight 370 Could Survive Even in Salt Water

Even in corrosive salt water, the crucial recorders from Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 should survive with most of their data intact.

www.nbcnews.com

The crucial data preserved in the so-called black boxes of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 should survive for two years or longer, even if they are submerged in the corrosive salt water of the Indian Ocean.

 

[GOHOX69]

The crucial data preserved in the so-called black boxes of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 should survive for two years or longer, even if they are submerged in the corrosive salt water of the Indian Ocean.

One hopes. Science isn't exact and they have to find them first.

 

[Jimmy McGill]

No offense counselor, but how do you know this? Technology changes, data collection changes. I think the search is owed to those who died on that flight and their loved ones. You're not footing the bill. Let the Government of Malaysia pay for it. There are numerous private companies willing to assist with updated coordinates and tech.

That thing is in thousands of pieces all across the Indian Ocean. Pieces have been found all over the place.

 

[GOHOX69]

That thing is in thousands of pieces all across the Indian Ocean. Pieces have been found all over the place.

I would disagree with you to some extent. The only "pieces" were flaperons and some seats and all of those were found due westerly on the Reunion Islands, Zanzibar and Madagascar in Africa. Obviously then, the plane is somewhere east. Let the trained experts figure it out. Why make it a black box? Let the relatives get closure.

 

[Jimmy McGill]

By continuing the search, I really think it is just more harm to the family members. They might not think that way. But they are never going to get the answer they want.

 

[Joes Place]

I would disagree with you to some extent. The only "pieces" were flaperons and some seats and all of those were found due westerly on the Reunion Islands, Zanzibar and Madagascar in Africa. Obviously then, the plane is somewhere east. Let the trained experts figure it out. Why make it a black box? Let the relatives get closure.

I concur

The fuselage will more than likely be mostly intact.

 

[mnole03]

I don't think there are any remains to recover. Given a long enough exposure to salt water I believe bodies actually dissolve.

It’s the depth. Below a certain depth there is a huge calcium deficit. The water literally melts your bones and absorbs the calcium.

 

[Jimmy McGill]

I concur

The fuselage will more than likely be mostly intact.

Yeah, look at all that fuselage left from Flight 93...

 

[GOHOX69]

It’s the depth. Below a certain depth there is a huge calcium deficit. The water literally melts your bones and absorbs the calcium.

Umm wat?

 

[GOHOX69]

Yeah, look at all that fuselage left from Flight 93...

Water/Land/Velocity/Angle of Impact

Anyhoo, time to bail this thread. Hope you are well counselor.

 

[mnole03]

Umm wat?

 

[GOHOX69]

That's fine. Where's the data for bone melting?

 

[Joes Place]

That's fine. Where's the data for bone melting?

...and why do they always find whale bones sitting at the bottom of the ocean?

 

[mnole03]

That's fine. Where's the data for bone melting?

 

[Bierhalter]

Google says this is from the wreck of the Bismarck?

 

[lucas80]

As far as footing the bill for the search, the bulk of the victims were Chinese. I’m surprised they aren’t spending money to find answers. But, it’s an autocratic regime, so dead Chinese citizens might not move the needle for them.

 

[GOHOX69]

Google says this is from the wreck of the Bismarck?

Contemporary 😉