So now Snopes is credible? I thought they were another liberal fake news rag.
Miller flashing White Power signs?
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So now Snopes is credible? I thought they were another liberal fake news rag.
Already debunked. In this thread, even. Lazy fool.
The Snopes summary is just an opinion too. You can't debunk something by stating an opinion. You really need video evidence to make a determination. Just like the Obama picture.
I don't know what Snopes is but when the caption under the picture references the ADL and the ADL comes out with a statement that the claim is not creditable I think it is pertinent to the conversation.
You can belief or not, but you have to question how that caption ended up under the picture.
Here is the whole article.
Did Stephen Miller Throw a White Power Sign?
A photograph showing Stephen Miller with his hands in an odd configuration is real, but is not proof that the White House advisor was using a "white power" hand symbol.
CLAIM
A photograph clearly shows White House advisor Stephen Miller using a hand gesture that means "white power."
false
RATING
ORIGIN
On 21 February 2017, web site DailyKos.com shared a photograph of White House advisor Stephen Miller, along with a claim that the image clearly shows him using a hand gesture that signifies white nationalism:
Take a look at the guy in the picture.
That’s Steve Miller, senior advisor to Donald Trump. He’s also an avowed racist.
Don’t take my word for it—that’s what his friends and family say. He hasn’t been quiet about it at all: he has openly disparaged blacks, Latinos, and Asians throughout his school career, from high school to Duke University, where he palled around with white supremacist leader Richard Spencer.
You might think that’s an odd natural gesture to make. And it is. What Steve is doing is completely intentional:
The right hand, on top, is showing just three fingers: “W”.
His left hand curls to make the “P” formation.
WP. White Power. White nationalists know exactly what that sign means.
According to the Anti-Defamation League, this is a common white supremacist hand sign “particularly” used in California. (Stephen Miller is from Santa Monica.)
Twitter users also shared this image of Miller alongside pictures of gang symbols taken by the Anti-Defamation League:
The photograph was taken on 12 February 2017 by Reuters photographer Joshua Roberts, shortly before Miller appeared on “Face the Nation”:
Senior White House Advisor Stephen Miller waits to go on the air in the White House Briefing Room in Washington, U.S., February 12, 2017.
It is impossible to tell, in the absence of additional images or video to use for comparison purposes whether Miller was deliberately using a hand gesture of any sort or whether this picture simply captured him during a fleeting moment while he was adjusting his tie and jacket. We have reached out to Roberts to see if any such footage is available.
However, the position of Miller’s hands do not match the white power hand symbol image provided by the ADL:
Some white supremacists, particularly in California, may use a two-handed handsign in which one hand forms the letter “W” and the other hand forms the letter “P,” to represent WP or “White Power.”While Miller’s right hand may resemble a “W”, it is a stretch to say that his left hand resembles a “P”. Miller’s gesture more closely resembled the Aryan Circle’s hand symbol, although this would be problematic: the Aryan Circle is a white supremacist prison gang, and as far as we know Miller has never been in prison (generally a prerequisite for prison gang membership). Furthermore, the symbol (per the ADL) consists of holding up the thumb and the middle, ring, and little fingers of one hand, signifying the numbers 1 and 3, yet Miller’s thumb is not raised:
Anti-Defamation League senior researcher Mark Pitcavage told us that the claim is not credible:
A photo of White House staffer Stephen Miller has been circulating on social media in which people claim that Miller is surreptitiously sending a “white power” hand sign to, one presumes, viewers. However, he seems merely to be adjusting his suit and tie, while his hand positioning does not actually resemble the “WP” hand sign that some California-based white supremacist street gang members use. More importantly, there is no reason why Miller would even know of such an obscure symbol, much less use it, and in any case, Miller is Jewish and would be rejected by white supremacists on that basis. There is simply no credibility to this claim.
Evidence that Miller was actually using a controversial gesture is circumstantial at best, and most likely simply captures him in the act of adjusting his outfit just before appearing on camera.
What's wrong with being proud to be of European heritage, white. We shouldn't be ashamed to be descendants of great inventors, artists, scholars. We pretty much dominated the world the last thousand years.
Beyonce is one if the biggest dems out there, did you happen to see her half time show?
And his straightening of the tie is no different than the potus doing a fist pump...
There is nothing wrong with being proud of your ancestry. There is a problem with white power, you racist ****.
Beyonce is an artist making a statement. This is what we want from artists: pushing the envelope and pushing buttons. Art is the place for unbounded expression, for challenging us to think about thinks differently, uncomfortably sometimes, in a different light.
Milo Y I don't think represents Rs when he's performing his art. He's essentially a provocateur masquerading as a news media personality. So when Milo Y goes extreme I'm not threatened as you appear to be by art that challenges your worldview.
Her halftime show was great. Thought-provoking. Which is why, I suspect, you didn't care for it.
Stop being such a snowflake. World's not that scary. Maybe it is for a sheltered, narrow-experienced small-town Midwesterner. But it's really not.
As far as Obama's fist pump being same as Miller's tie/button fixing: maybe, maybe not. Video clearly clarifies Obama's fist pump as not some Black Power salute. Maybe video will do the same for this tin-foilish speculation on Miller doing a White Power hand sign. Point being, as of now, you've made a false equivalency.
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you can be proud of being black, I'll be proud of being white..I guess it makes us both racist
