Mollie Tibbetts found dead
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Yes. They do. The majority of illegal immigrants are here based on overstayed visas.
NOT "wall crossings".
Not sure why that matters.
The point was that the majority of the illegals here aren't coming from Mexico, nor coming "over walls". And that is a substantiated claim.
Doesn't mean we don't deport them; simply means "a wall" isn't solving our problems.
Were you incapable of connecting the dots?
Those coming in on temporary visas are most assuredly coming by "air, sea or vehicle" thru legal entry points.
Yeah, those contracted IT workers from India create all kinds of crime don't they
Do the feds pay for the incarceration of a counterfeiter when he is arrested by local law enforcement?,.... No, they are held locally until the feds come and collect them,... very easy to employ the same approach here.
In an ironic twist this guy was held on an ICE detainer until the locals could file 1st degree murder charges.
What would people think if the feds has released him and said well it is not our job to enforce local and state laws?
I think if you filtered out the gang violence, you may be surprised.
If this guy is a gang member, and killed her as part of gang violence, it'd make sense to include that in your numbers. Otherwise, it would probably be more accurate to eliminate that, and treat that as a gang problem, which is common to America and Mexico.
And, as I have noted in many other threads - the 'money laundering' like what Paul Manafort was just found guilty of, is one of the primary financial drivers for things like drug trafficking, weapons trafficking and human trafficking. It is a reasonable presumption that if we took a hard-line at cutting off that funding, lots of the money the gangs have would likewise be cut off. Unfortunately, we penalize those white-collar crimes at a fraction of the more violent crimes, and as such, those money-trains keep on rolling.
Start giving people life-sentences for money laundering that feeds the drug trade, and you'll probably see much less crime the rest of us pay taxes combatting year after year....
Confront the topic, and quit talking to yourself in the corner.
Why is that any different?
Yes I agree, they probably detained him for that reason so the FBI could do the interviews-the fact still remains when the shoe is on the other foot that local communities have no problem asking for help from the federal government. It is take, take, take-it is not a symbiotic relationship, and it should be.
LOLWUT?
ICE puts in detainment requests routinely, regardless of the violation.
IF this guy had been picked up for speeding, the local police would have given ICE the option of showing up within the normal timeframe, or they'd let him go.
However, they picked him up on a capital murder charge. They weren't letting him go, regardless of any ICE detainers placed on him.
He was picked up, as in arrested from the street, on a capital murder charge?
As in he was out walking around and the local police pulled up, and said you are under arrest for capital murder?
That is how it went down?
Narrator: "Until the local bills came thru; then people would freak out at their tacked on new 'property taxes' or 'local sales taxes' needed to cover it."
I can see it already on the local ballots: "Do you approve a 15% local sales tax, renewing annually, for building a facility to detain individuals ICE places a detainment-request on, at the cost of $2.5MM on the edge of town, including $200,000 per year for staffing and maintenance costs?" Yes/No
Do you honestly think this is what it is about? Do you think the fed is asking people to go pick up immigration violators off the street?
Bullshit, you're grossly exaggerating the cost,... And besides, this work is necessary to solve the problem, and spending local dollars directly would be far more efficient than collecting those same dollars, transferring them to the feds, allowing them to scrape their take off the top and then send the remainder right back to where the work needs to be done...
Really? I think I'm vastly UNDERestimating the costs for an entirely new facility and manpower to maintain it.
You are grossly over estimating the need for a new facility.
For the record I would have no issue if ICE could only ask for detention for say X hours, but sanctuary citizens are even willing to have the discussion. They flat out ignore the requests.
No extra money is required. All it takes is a PD bureaucrat pick up a phone and dial a number. Ironically it actually costs more for local communities to warehouse illegals as compared to letting ICE deal with them. Sanctuary cities are not just more dangerous, they are more cost-inefficient.
Of course the left cannot understand this cuz math and logic are involved.
You probably are,... except for the fact that the vast majority of municipalities will not require a new facility nor the additional manpower to staff it,.... nice try.
I think you'd be surprised how many facilities might be needed. Remember....lots of folks are 'picked up', only to find they have legal residency here.
Picked up for what?
Do you honestly believe the fed is asking locals to pick up immigration violators?
Do you really think this is what is being asked of local communities?
2. ICE officials lodged a federal immigration detainer for Rivera after his arrest. "That move means the agency has probable cause to believe he is subject to deportation," the AP reported.
So. What is your point?
That's fine, you don't hold everybody,... You only hold individuals if and when ICE specifically requests it and then only for a specified period of time, say 24 hours, before ICE comes to collect them,... done.
Random, minor violations.
ICE puts in a detainer.
Later, suspect is let go, because they aren't actually here illegally.
Cristhian Bahena Rivera, 24, was arrested and charged with first-degree murder in the death of the 20-year-old Tibbetts,
https://apnews.com/c40d14e3d9dd45fa...owa-student-killed-by-Mexican-in-US-illegally
I'm sure w/o that ICE detainer, they'd have let him go out on his "own recognizance", right?
In this case he was picked up and held on an immigration violation. This was all so the locals could get their charges in order, and allowed him to be interviewed.
It is ironic that in a sanctuary city an ICE detainer would be refused, but in this case the locals "needed" ICE to hold him to help them out.
I'm glad you are not in charge of the Powishiek county sheriff's office otherwise if I was ICE I would have given you the finger as you shuttled people who had a requested ICE detainer out the back door of your jail.
Cristhian Bahena Rivera, 24, was arrested and charged with first-degree murder in the death of the 20-year-old Tibbetts,
https://apnews.com/c40d14e3d9dd45fa...owa-student-killed-by-Mexican-in-US-illegally
I'm sure w/o that ICE detainer, they'd have let him go out on his "own recognizance", right?
Not what I said AT ALL.
He was held on an ICE detainer, and then handed over to the locals and arrested and charged.
EDIT: I stand corrected. The detainer was filed after his arrest.
Total personal curiosity, but I wonder if he volunteered to talk or was held on something.
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Not in Iowa. In California or New York, maybe.Cristhian Bahena Rivera, 24, was arrested and charged with first-degree murder in the death of the 20-year-old Tibbetts,
https://apnews.com/c40d14e3d9dd45fa...owa-student-killed-by-Mexican-in-US-illegally
I'm sure w/o that ICE detainer, they'd have let him go out on his "own recognizance", right?
They had him on surveillance cam video, shortly after she had jogged by.
ICE had no "detainer" in on him when he was originally questioned.
Confronted with some evidence, either he confessed, or was jailed on suspicion while they gathered additional evidence. Either way, an ICE detainer did not play AT ALL in his incarceration or arrest. Zip.
Ergo: you have been fully misinformed on this entire point.
Enjoy your crow.
I'm fine with it. Now tell us again how ICE is asking locals to pick up people for them.
Seriously I said I was wrong.
I mean how small is your penis that you have to put 3 consecutive posts to that point?
You done yet?
