Moral Dilemma

[Hoosierhawkeye]

There is a film coming out in November about Dietrich Bonhoeffer who I consider to be a hero from history that doesn't get as much attention as he should.

Unfortunately the film is being produced by Angel Studios which unabashedly and unapologetically produced the lie that was the Sound of Freedom.

I want to see the movie but I'm not wanting to do something which leads to Angel Studios getting more money.

 

[McLovin32]

The only opinion that matters here is @Moral

 

[TennNole17]

Watch the movie.

 

[alaskanseminole]

Watch the movie.

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Don't overthink it. ...when Cletus decides to boycott Disney 'cause they be woke, Disney does not lose. Cletus loses.

 

[Finance85]

There is a film coming out in November about Dietrich Bonhoeffer who I consider to be a hero from history that doesn't get as much attention as he should.

Unfortunately the film is being produced by Angel Studios which unabashedly and unapologetically produced the lie that was the Sound of Freedom.

I want to see the movie but I'm not wanting to do something which leads to Angel Studios getting more money.

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I'm not familiar with Sound of Freedom. What was the lie that upset you?

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

I'm not familiar with Sound of Freedom. What was the lie that upset you?

I havn't seen it either but people who fact checked it pretty much concluded that the whole movie was a lie based off the words of one guy who made himself into a big hero.

 

[millah_22]

The only opinion that matters here is @Moral

Moral’s gonna be so smart for how much time he’s been spending at the library

 

[alaskanseminole]

I'm not familiar with Sound of Freedom. What was the lie that upset you?

Movie should have just been touted as a fictional tale or commentary about a global problem. Then there wouldn't have been an issue since it was a good movie based on the lies of its source. ...or at least that's what's being reported. Who the hell knows any more.

 

[Scruddy]

Was expecting a different thread tbh

On topic, don't be a pussy and watch the movie. I don't think they're going to apologize about covering child sex trafficking tbh so your only other option is to move on and stop crying.

 

[Colonoscopy]

A ton of movies have taken a ton of liberty in retelling stories. Historically pretty common and most studios have probably participated

 

[alaskanseminole]

A ton of movies have taken a ton of liberty in retelling stories. Historically pretty common and most studios have probably participated

The movie Strangers was "inspired by real-life events." The events? Someone knocked on the creators door once...he answered and no one was there and other real-life incidents of home invasion.

 

[ISUBryceC]

I'm not familiar with Sound of Freedom. What was the lie that upset you?

The lie was that the guy who was the central character of the movie, and is a real guy, was touted as some force for good trying to stop child sex trafficing.

In fact, he didn't do any of it and he was sexually abusing the people working for him.

 

[CJ Beat Hard]

Thought this was a thread about @Moral not being sure which of the many ladies to have the sex with

 

[mnole03]

I question the July 20th connection. Most of those executed with him were involved in the assassination attempt, but Bonhoeffer and Canaris were almost certainly killed to prevent their testimony in Holocaust proceedings.

Bonhoeffer was in prison from early 1943 onward.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

Movie should have just been touted as a fictional tale or commentary about a global problem. Then there wouldn't have been an issue since it was a good movie based on the lies of its source. ...or at least that's what's being reported. Who the hell knows any more.

A ton of movies have taken a ton of liberty in retelling stories. Historically pretty common and most studios have probably participated

I think Sound of Freedom goes beyond inspired by real events into a whole new realm of fabrication with the intent to influence real world policy.

 

[Colonoscopy]

I think Sound of Freedom goes beyond inspired by real events into a whole new realm of fabrication with the intent to influence real world policy.

I figured $$$

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

I question the July 20th connection. Most of those executed with him were involved in the assassination attempt, but Bonhoeffer and Canaris were almost certainly killed to prevent their testimony in Holocaust proceedings.

Bonhoeffer was in prison from early 1943 onward.

I'm pretty sure it's accepted that Bonhoeffer knew of the plot due to his connections, but his level of involvement was probably pretty low to non existent.

Still stood up to Hitler at the cost of his life.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

There is a film coming out in November about Dietrich Bonhoeffer who I consider to be a hero from history that doesn't get as much attention as he should.

Unfortunately the film is being produced by Angel Studios which unabashedly and unapologetically produced the lie that was the Sound of Freedom.

I want to see the movie but I'm not wanting to do something which leads to Angel Studios getting more money.

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Personally, I wouldn't pay to see it. I do not think Angel Studios deserves my money, and I do not appreciate what they are about.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

Personally, I wouldn't pay to see it. I do not think Angel Studios deserves my money, and I do not appreciate what they are about.

I'm ok with this sort of thing, in fact this is sort of the thing Christian movies should be if you ask me.

However the Sound of Freedom thing was clearly something else and was made by liars and Q-Anon crazies.

 

[l.todd]

Personally, I wouldn't pay to see it. I do not think Angel Studios deserves my money, and I do not appreciate what they are about.

I saw Cabrini, an Angel Studios movie about Mother Teresa Cabrini, who did a lot of good for poor Italian immigrants in NYC earlier this century. I don't know why anyone would be upset about with a movie that shows someone selflessly doing good for humanity. I have no idea if they took liberties with the facts or not, and don't really care. It was a fairly decent movie with a message about helping the less fortunate. Not all religious/Christian things are bad. And I'm not terribly religious.

 

[DPUboiler]

I had no idea this was coming out, but plan on seeing it. He is renowned in Lutheran circles. Including both LCMS and ELCA, opposing cultural views, both view him as fundamental to modern Lutheran church.

I never saw Sound of Freedom, but that movie was made at a time when "trafficking" was the buzzword on the right, and about someone that nobody knew about. This movie on the other hand is about an individual who a lot is known, and who is looked up to in both left and right leaning Christian churches (at least LCMS and ELCA Lutheran churches).

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

This

Don't overthink it. ...when Cletus decides to boycott Disney 'cause they be woke, Disney does not lose. Cletus loses.

Tell that to Anheuser-Busch & Budweiser.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

I'm ok with this sort of thing, in fact this is sort of the thing Christian movies should be if you ask me.

However the Sound of Freedom thing was clearly something else and was made by liars and Q-Anon crazies.

I don't have any issue with the companies religious roots/perspective.

I do take issue with their relationship with Sound of Freedom like you do, and also am not a fan of the VidAngel's(the company's predecessor) buisness model.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

I saw Cabrini, an Angel Studios movie about Mother Teresa Cabrini, who did a lot of good for poor Italian immigrants in NYC earlier this century. I don't know why anyone would be upset about with a movie that shows someone selflessly doing good for humanity. I have no idea if they took liberties with the facts or not, and don't really care. It was a fairly decent movie with a message about helping the less fortunate. Not all religious/Christian things are bad. And I'm not terribly religious.

I don't know why you would assume anyone would be upset with those things either.

 

[beanerhawk]

It's a movie, who cares. I couldn't imagine going through life over thinking something so simple. You want to watch it watch it, if you don't then don't.

 

[alaskanseminole]

I think Sound of Freedom goes beyond inspired by real events into a whole new realm of fabrication with the intent to influence real world policy.

Okay. Take all that away. It was a good action flick.

 

[l.todd]

I don't know why you would assume anyone would be upset with those things either.

Okay, how about I don't know why someone would say they "do not appreciate what they are about" when one of the things they have done is put out a movie that shows someone "selflessly doing good for humanity". Better?

 

[Jerome Silberman]

Okay, how about I don't know why someone would say they "do not appreciate what they are about" when one of the things they have done is put out a movie that shows someone "selflessly doing good for humanity". Better?

That is definitely communicated in a better way, but still makes an awful specific assumption. I just don't like how the goals of the company at it's founding. They wanted to create a studio that made movies that could be edited to remove content viewers found objectionable. I'm not mad about it, I just don't agree with that being a good way to produce art. No biggie.

 

[l.todd]

That is definitely communicated in a better way, but still makes an awful specific assumption. I just don't like how the goals of the company at it's founding. They wanted to create a studio that made movies that could be edited to remove content viewers found objectionable. I'm not mad about it, I just don't agree with that being a good way to produce art. No biggie.

Interesting. I didn't know that. I appreciate your educating me. Not sure how I feel about that either.

 

[alaskanseminole]

The lie was that the guy who was the central character of the movie, and is a real guy, was touted as some force for good trying to stop child sex trafficing.

Were you upset about all the lies in the movie Rudy?

 

[Jerome Silberman]

Were you upset about all the lies in the movie Rudy?

Even though Rudy may be a POS, he's nowhere near as bad as Tim Ballard. BTW, do you listen to Rewatchables?

 

[Jerome Silberman]

Interesting. I didn't know that. I appreciate your educating me. Not sure how I feel about that either.

 

[alaskanseminole]

Even though Rud may be a POS, he's nowhere near as bad as Tim Ballard.

Agreed.

I watched Rudy with my son (age 11) a little while back and he said Rudy was "whiny" and "cringy."

BTW, do you listen to Rewatchables?

Never heard of it.

 

[DooBi]

I could not imagine living my life worried about such things. To each their own though so the decision is yours alone.

 

[Jim Grizzly]

I havn't seen it either but people who fact checked it pretty much concluded that the whole movie was a lie based off the words of one guy who made himself into a big hero.

Was that the Passion of the Christ guy doing the human trafficking? Yeah, the actual person it was based on was a perv, wasn't he? Like got in trouble for exactly what the movie was about?

 

[Jerome Silberman]

Agreed.

I watched Rudy with my son (age 11) a little while back and he said Rudy was "whiny" and "cringy."

Never heard of it.

It's a podcast on Bill Simmons'(espn) network about movies that you've seen but would stop on when you see in channel surfing.

They just released a Rudy episode and about half of it was joking about how far from reality it was.

 

[alaskanseminole]

That is definitely communicated in a better way, but still makes an awful specific assumption. I just don't like how the goals of the company at it's founding. They wanted to create a studio that made movies that could be edited to remove content viewers found objectionable. I'm not mad about it, I just don't agree with that being a good way to produce art. No biggie.

Well, those are two different companies as of 2021. VidAngel is a content filter where is Angel Studios is a content creator. I actually use the VidAngel app and its great for filtering out stuff I'm not ready for my kiddo to see/hear. I only wish WB and Disney hadn't sued them as I can only watch things from Netflix, Paramount and Prime Video streaming services.

 

[alaskanseminole]

They just released a Rudy episode and about half of it was joking about how far from reality it was.

That movie does not hold up over time, IMO. It was a "feel good" movie from my youth that really is cringy upon rewatch. I really just want to punch Rudy all throughout the film.

Sports movies that have held up for me? The Natural, A League of Their Own, Major League, Miracle, Field of Dreams, etc.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

Well, those are two different companies as of 2021. VidAngel is a content filter where is Angel Studios is a content creator. I actually use the VidAngel app and its great for filtering out stuff I'm not ready for my kiddo to see/hear. I only wish WB and Disney hadn't sued them as I can only watch things from Netflix, Paramount and Prime Video streaming services.

You do you.

Like I said I'm not mad, I'm just not going to support it as I disagree with their stated goals. The company splitting due to lawsuits doesn't move the needle for me.

 

[alaskanseminole]

You do you.

Like I said I'm not mad, I'm just not going to support it as I disagree with their stated goals. The company splitting due to lawsuits doesn't move the needle for me.

I guess I've just never cared much for the "behind the scenes" motivations of people and companies (within reason...I'm not going to watch Cosby's next stand-up). If X company creates a service that is beneficial to me, I'm going to use it. If so and so makes a good movie, I'm going to see it. Maybe I'm wrong in that approach, I don't know. For now, though the VidAngel app is a great tool for my family's viewing needs. And if Tom Cruise (a Scientologist) and Seth McFarlane (an Atheist) makes a good flick, I'm going to pay to see it even though we have drastically different views.