Moss

[bansheexyz]

Moss has actually had games where he has shot well and scored 15+ points. Connor and Dailey have done that how many times?

Moss is benched too much and is not well coached. He should be told how important he is and given shots every game. It's just math. And this team needs to be coached on moving without the ball and getting shooters shots. Instead it's a big timeshare party where guys incapable of putting up lots of points are given serious minutes.

Dailey was 0 for 3 with 1 turnover tonight. Connor had 2 turnovers and shot 3 of 6 from the free throw line. Is any of this good? These players need to be replaced by quick guards who can drive and draw defenders away in order to dish to shooters.

 

[HaydenHawk]

Moss has actually had games where he has shot well and scored 15+ points. Connor and Dailey have done that how many times?

Moss is benched too much and is not well coached. He should be told how important he is and given shots every game. It's just math. And this team needs to be coached on moving without the ball and getting shooters shots. Instead it's a big timeshare party where guys incapable of putting up lots of points are given serious minutes.

Dailey was 0 for 3 with 1 turnover tonight. Connor had 2 turnovers and shot 3 of 6 from the free throw line. Is any of this good? These players need to be replaced by quick guards who can drive and draw defenders away in order to dish to shooters.

THIS.... Moss has been mentally abused by this coaching staff. Highest ceiling on the team, yet his development has been hampered by confidence issues. Coaches need to help him with that not exacerbate it by keeping him in the doghouse.

 

[YouGotThatRight]

If Cook, Moss, Dailey left would we be better off? Idk, but those 3 seem to suck a lot lately.

Imagine what the team photo would look like. 1952-ish.

 

[owenhawk]

Lol. Give me your full time rotation then sans Moss. There's no way it could be better.

Easy, drop out Moss. I’d love to hear all your reasons behind supporting him? He’s the worst starting SG in the Big Ten. I don’t care what his points per game average is. He’s had a handful of good shooting nights. That’s about the extent of his contribution to this team.

 

[owenhawk]

THIS.... Moss has been mentally abused by this coaching staff. Highest ceiling on the team, yet his development has been hampered by confidence issues. Coaches need to help him with that not exacerbate it by keeping him in the doghouse.

Why is points the only thing that is ever talked about around Moss? He does nothing else and his decision making and handling of the ball is horrible plain and simple.

Mentally abused by this staff?! He is still starting even though he shouldn’t be if we had any other options (which is in Fran). If anything, they have given him too long of a leash. He just obliviously doesn’t have it and after 4 years in the program that is obvious.

 

[YouGotThatRight]

Easy, drop out Moss. I’d love to hear all your reasons behind supporting him? He’s the worst starting SG in the Big Ten. I don’t care what his points per game average is. He’s had a handful of good shooting nights. That’s about the extent of his contribution to this team.

Moss has had a terrible three game stretch. But even with his awful shooting against IU, OSU, and RU, Moss has made 40% of his shots this year and is 82% from the line. He at least has a potential to score, on a team with a shortage of guards who can score.

 

[pocha444444]

Easy, drop out Moss. I’d love to hear all your reasons behind supporting him? He’s the worst starting SG in the Big Ten. I don’t care what his points per game average is. He’s had a handful of good shooting nights. That’s about the extent of his contribution to this team.

He's one of the best defenders on the team. Not saying much, but still.

Respond to the question, I'm guessing you aren't going 4 on 5. Give me a starting lineup and bench that's better without Moss.

 

[owenhawk]

Moss has had a terrible three game stretch. But even with his awful shooting against IU, OSU, and RU, Moss has made 40% of his shots this year and is 82% from the line. He at least has a potential to score, on a team with a shortage of guards who can score.

I understand what you are saying but I respectfully disagree. It’s been 4 years of “potential” for Moss. I know he has a nice looking shot and we have all seen glimpses. But that makes his consistent disappearing act so disappointing. Then you throw in his inability to add anything else positive.

Connor is getting beat up on here but even though Connor can’t shoot, he provides other positives. He can run the team and he in general takes care of the ball. He is the back-up PG not the starting SG. Connor has taken 25 MORE FT’s then Moss even though Moss averaged 5 more minutes per game! That’s pathetic on Moss’s part. That tells me two things - Connor is at least trying to attack and get to the rim and Moss is being his same old passive self to scared to attack the rim and continually disappearing.

I know I’m being vocal about Moss but I’m fed up with him.

 

[owenhawk]

He's one of the best defenders on the team. Not saying much, but still.

Respond to the question, I'm guessing you aren't going 4 on 5. Give me a starting lineup and bench that's better without Moss.

If rather have Connor and Bohannon starting at guard or Baer in with Wieskamp moving to SG. That’s what they have had at end of games when closing out wins and there is a reason they don’t trust Moss in most close games at end if he game.

Moss is an inconsistent defender at best. If that’s what you are banking in as his positive, then I’d also rather have Dailey in then Moss as neither one is scoring and Dailey is a better defender.

 

[pocha444444]

If rather have Connor and Bohannon starting at guard or Baer in with Wieskamp moving to SG. That’s what they have had at end of games when closing out wins and there is a reason they don’t trust Moss in most close games at end if he game.

Moss is an inconsistent defender at best. If that’s what you are banking in as his positive, then I’d also rather have Dailey in then Moss as neither one is scoring and Dailey is a better defender.

Ok, you'd rather have Dailey. No point in arguing with you then, you've said all I need to know.

 

[YouGotThatRight]

Moss is an inconsistent defender at best. If that’s what you are banking in as his positive, then I’d also rather have Dailey in then Moss as neither one is scoring and Dailey is a better defender.

Moss had 10 boards against Maryland, so he can do more than score. At 43%, Moss has one of the best 3pt shooting percentages in the Big Ten, Dailey hits 20% and Connor 12%. Maybe a lesser of 3 evils situation, but I don't think its obvious that Moss is worse than the alternatives. But Isaiah needs to make shots, which he didn't do this week.

 

[unoHawkeye]

If rather have Connor and Bohannon starting at guard or Baer in with Wieskamp moving to SG. That’s what they have had at end of games when closing out wins and there is a reason they don’t trust Moss in most close games at end if he game.

Moss is an inconsistent defender at best. If that’s what you are banking in as his positive, then I’d also rather have Dailey in then Moss as neither one is scoring and Dailey is a better defender.

Dailey is not a substantially better defender (if at all) and also struggles with inconsistency. If Dailey had one 15 point game it would be a career game for him. At this point, same for McCaffery.

Despite inconsistency, Moss is still consistently better than either Maishe or Connor

 

[owenhawk]

Dailey is not a substantially better defender (if at all) and also struggles with inconsistency. If Dailey had one 15 point game it would be a career game for him. At this point, same for McCaffery.

Despite inconsistency, Moss is still consistently better than either Maishe or Connor

I know Dailey does struggle with those things but it’s all relative. Dailey averages 10-11 minutes less then Moss. If he played the same minutes my guess is their offensive stats wouldn’t be much different. And Connor and Moss play different positions and are expected to do diffrerent things. In my opinion, Connor does what his job is better then what Moss is supposed to be doing as a Shooting Guard.

Now if you want to say none if the 3 are all that great options, I agree and that’s on Fran. Moss is the starting SG on a Big Ten team averaging 24 minutes a game. I know every now and then he has a nice shooting game (though most of those are in wins against lesser team or in blow out losses when there isn’t much pressure because Iowa is down a lot and trying to make a big comeback most if the game). But if Moss makes a few mistakes or missed a few shots in the before the under 16, he’s done. He will not contribute in any way for that game. And not only is he not scoring, he ends up being negative on almost every aspect of he game.

If Dailey and Connor were starting and expected to contribute for 25 minutes a game, my expectations for them would be higher as well.until they are in that spot, all we have to go by is years of proof in what we have watched. Moss has proven he is not even an average starting SG in the Big Ten.

 

[unoHawkeye]

I know Dailey does struggle with those things but it’s all relative. Dailey averages 10-11 minutes less then Moss. If he played the same minutes my guess is their offensive stats wouldn’t be much different. And Connor and Moss play different positions and are expected to do diffrerent things. In my opinion, Connor does what his job is better then what Moss is supposed to be doing as a Shooting Guard.

Now if you want to say none if the 3 are all that great options, I agree and that’s on Fran. Moss is the starting SG on a Big Ten team averaging 24 minutes a game. I know every now and then he has a nice shooting game (though most of those are in wins against lesser team or in blow out losses when there isn’t much pressure because Iowa is down a lot and trying to make a big comeback most if the game). But if Moss makes a few mistakes or missed a few shots in the before the under 16, he’s done. He will not contribute in any way for that game. And not only is he not scoring, he ends up being negative on almost every aspect of he game.

If Dailey and Connor were starting and expected to contribute for 25 minutes a game, my expectations for them would be higher as well.until they are in that spot, all we have to go by is years of proof in what we have watched. Moss has proven he is not even an average starting SG in the Big Ten.

I misread your post and thought you were comparing Connor to Moss as well. You’re right: he shouldn’t even be part of this discussion.

If you look at per40 minute statistics, Moss > Dailey in basically all of them. Dailey would average 0.1 more rebounds and 0.1 fewer turnovers. Moss is also better in basically every advanced metric.

You’re right, he has not been good enough. Neither have Garza, Cook, Wieskamp, Bohannon, McCaffery, and arguably Baer. Of this group, only Moss makes a couple of mistakes and then gets benched for the remainder of the half. Maybe it’s time for the coaches to try a different approach with him

 

[owenhawk]

Moss had 10 boards against Maryland, so he can do more than score. At 43%, Moss has one of the best 3pt shooting percentages in the Big Ten, Dailey hits 20% and Connor 12%. Maybe a lesser of 3 evils situation, but I don't think its obvious that Moss is worse than the alternatives. But Isaiah needs to make shots, which he didn't do this week.

Yes, I know Miss has had a couple of games with some nice rebound totals. And I’ve also seen him have a few times of good defensive effort. And we all know he has the ability to shoot well. That makes it even more infuriating to me. It the combination of not being mentally strong and not giving effort. He’s had his chance and besides a one-off every now and then, as a starting SG getting almost 25 minutes a game, he consistently has not produced.

It seems like Moss gets a long leash not only with the staff over the years, but with a lot of fans. I think that has to do with the fact they see a guy who physically fits the bill as a SG and who will randomly hit 5 3 pointers (sandwiched between 3-5 bad games on each side of that game) or have 10 rebounds out of nowhere some game or play good defense for 10 minutes of a game and everyone thinks “he’s figured out and turned the corner”.

Yes, you may be right at this point it might all be which is the lesser of 3 evils but at this point, after watching every game I am not convinced Moss will give a consistently better game the Dailey was if Dailey took his minutes (I will definitely Moss is a much better shooter but I’m talking consistency all-around) or having Connor start at PG and Bohannon at SG. He’s had plenty of chances to prove it. I personally can’t stand to see the BAD Moss - disappearing offensively, horrible decision making, lack of court awareness, horrendous ball handling, and worst of all, the appearance of a lack effort at times - which to me is the true Moss based on the sample size of the last 3 years. I as badly as all other fans have wanted and begged for him to make that jump. I no longer have hope that can happen.

 

[kcgolfer]

If Cook, Moss, Dailey left would we be better off? Idk, but those 3 seem to suck a lot lately.

And Conner.
There. Fixed it for you.

 

[BirdistheWord]

Problem, among other things, is that we are overloaded with wing players and have basically one "starting" guard, Jobo. Moss and Weezy are tweeners 2/3, with Moss being less of a 2G as his handles are below average at best. Dailey is also really a 3, with brief flashes of PG/SG skills. Connor is technically a PG, but is not very effective at penetrating and drawing lots of attention, largely due to his scoring ineptitude. He is a very good passer and FT shooter. But, as of right now, is a backup PG.

So we are back to the need for a penetrator.....

 

[Ihawkhoops]

Agree with owenhawk. Hard to compare Dailey and Moss because of PT. Dailey , IMO, is a more versatile scorer than Moss just lacks confidence. Dailey and Kriener were co-MVP's against OSU but Fran opted to roll an ineffective Moss and Garza out there. At some point Fran needs to play whoever is hot and stop this prescriptive substitution pattern. If Moss isn't engaged I would rather see Dailey or even Till and move JW to the 2. Nothing to lose by tweaking the roster for the rest of the regular season.

 

[unoHawkeye]

Agree with owenhawk. Hard to compare Dailey and Moss because of PT. Dailey , IMO, is a more versatile scorer than Moss just lacks confidence. Dailey and Kriener were co-MVP's against OSU but Fran opted to roll an ineffective Moss and Garza out there. At some point Fran needs to play whoever is hot and stop this prescriptive substitution pattern. If Moss isn't engaged I would rather see Dailey or even Till and move JW to the 2. Nothing to lose by tweaking the roster for the rest of the regular season.

For every sweet reverse that the Hawks get from Dailey like in the OSU game, they also get consistently missed one on one transition layups, bricked three pointers, and air balled floaters. Moss’ inconsistency>Dailey’s consistent inability to score IMO.

I’ll give you that he’s better at finding his shot than Moss is, but that doesn’t mean much when you can’t convert.

Also, just my opinion, I think Dailey gets enough minutes that most per40 stats and advanced metrics tell the story at this stage in the year

 

[owenhawk]

I misread your post and thought you were comparing Connor to Moss as well. You’re right: he shouldn’t even be part of this discussion.

If you look at per40 minute statistics, Moss > Dailey in basically all of them. Dailey would average 0.1 more rebounds and 0.1 fewer turnovers. Moss is also better in basically every advanced metric.

You’re right, he has not been good enough. Neither have Garza, Cook, Wieskamp, Bohannon, McCaffery, and arguably Baer. Of this group, only Moss makes a couple of mistakes and then gets benched for the remainder of the half. Maybe it’s time for the coaches to try a different approach with him

Fair enough. So based on projections they would provide about the same. Dailey is also derided on this board for not doing much when in the game and for being not a Big Ten player.

Realistically, neither Moss or Dailey are probably valid options. I personally believe the staff has given Moss way too many chances as it is. They have seen he disappears and brings nothing if he has a bad first half, so it’s understandable they just bury him on the bench. I know other players have not been good enough recently but the thing is most if those players are not as one-dimensional as Moss and give more consistent effort then he does.

I’m going to move on. I’m sure he’s a nice kid and good teammate. I just don’t want to see him play unless he happens to hit his first few shots in a game.

 

[unoHawkeye]

Fair enough. So based on projections they would provide about the same. Dailey is also derided on this board for not doing much when in the game and for being not a Big Ten player.

Realistically, neither Moss or Dailey are probably valid options. I personally believe the staff has given Moss way too many chances as it is. They have seen he disappears and brings nothing if he has a bad first half, so it’s understandable they just bury him on the bench. I know other players have not been good enough recently but the thing is most if those players are not as one-dimensional as Moss and give more consistent effort then he does.

I’m going to move on. I’m sure he’s a nice kid and good teammate. I just don’t want to see him play unless he happens to hit his first few shots in a game.

My only contention is that if Dailey scored like Moss did (however consistently or inconsistently), he wouldn’t receive nearly as much criticism as he does. Per40 minutes, Moss still scores nearly twice what Dailey does. Conversely, if Moss struggled to score like Dailey did, most would see him as not a Big Ten caliber player.

But I agree. If this team wants to make any noise postseason, we will need “good Moss” and a Dailey who is locking up opposing players and not being a liability

 

[Suterman]

Our guard court is improved this year but needs more help. Will Toussaint and CJ Fredrick be the help we need? Time will tell.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

THIS.... Moss has been mentally abused by this coaching staff. Highest ceiling on the team, yet his development has been hampered by confidence issues. Coaches need to help him with that not exacerbate it by keeping him in the doghouse.

Lol, yeah right. Because this staff has never developed shooting guards.

 

[unoHawkeye]

Our guard court is improved this year but needs more help. Will Toussaint and CJ Fredrick be the help we need? Time will tell.

Fran needs to start recruiting PGs like the football team recruits QB’s. Take at least one every single year and hope at least one pans out every couple years. Guard play is what wins games when it matters, and has been an area of inconsistency under Fran.

 

[Pepperman]

Our guard court is improved this year but needs more help. Will Toussaint and CJ Fredrick be the help we need? Time will tell.

Fredrick will not be a factor if he's simply just a spot up shooter. We've had many of these goofballs and they can't do anything at the B1G level.

Toussaint will be a lot more of a factor IMO. I think he's faced much tougher competition and strictly based on his geographic location, he's undoubtedly faced a lot of tough kids growing up. I think he'll be more of a factor in the B1G, but of course time will tell on both players. Maybe I've got it wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.

 

[Titanhawk2]

He had a fairly open 15 foot jumper the first time down court. Instead he pulls back, waits for everybody and kicks it back to Bohannon. Where's the guy that scored 19 in a minute and a half? Obviously Fran isn't the only coach apt to sit him at the end of the game.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

I know some people have argued with me about Moss this year - and he is far from the only reason for today and the overall performance the last 5-6 games but he doesn’t need to play anymore in my opinion. He is not good. At best, he shoots well against lower competition but besides that he is a negative in most every way. He is a terrible ball handler, terrible passer, has no court awareness, is inconsistent at best on defense, and if he misses his first few shots he just goes in a shell.

There has been plenty of talk about not having a quick, driving, Defensive PG but not having a 2G that can do much of anything is as big or bigger problem. I’m sure some people will not like what I’m saying but I’ve seem plenty of Moss to know this is all true.

Skipped the thread, so I apologize if I duplicate. Who the hell do plan to play in his place, Dailey or one of the walk ons?

 

[Melrose_Place31]

I know some people have argued with me about Moss this year - and he is far from the only reason for today and the overall performance the last 5-6 games but he doesn’t need to play anymore in my opinion. He is not good. At best, he shoots well against lower competition but besides that he is a negative in most every way. He is a terrible ball handler, terrible passer, has no court awareness, is inconsistent at best on defense, and if he misses his first few shots he just goes in a shell.

There has been plenty of talk about not having a quick, driving, Defensive PG but not having a 2G that can do much of anything is as big or bigger problem. I’m sure some people will not like what I’m saying but I’ve seem plenty of Moss to know this is all true.

I don't think its a matter of him being bad, its inconsistent play, on him and the coaches. How does a guy gain traction and confidence when he sits most of the time. Moss can score in bunches and needs to be on the floor...in my opinion.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

And Conner.
There. Fixed it for you.

This is

Why is points the only thing that is ever talked about around Moss? He does nothing else and his decision making and handling of the ball is horrible plain and simple.

Mentally abused by this staff?! He is still starting even though he shouldn’t be if we had any other options (which is in Fran). If anything, they have given him too long of a leash. He just obliviously doesn’t have it and after 4 years in the program that is obvious.

Moss would have been recruited over by every other big ten school after last year. Dude red shirted so this is technically year 4 in the program. I think Moss is a guy who tears it up in practice against his teammates but then faces better athletes in games and loses his confidence. He went from attacking the basket with some level of consistency years 1 & 2 to almost exclusively a 3-point shooter this year.

Hard to say if Moss just doesn't have another gear to shift into or if Fran's obsession with Moss being Jok Lite has led to the "3 point or nothing" offense. Moss needs to drive because the team desperately needs a spark and he is a good FT shooter but as others have pointed out, I am not sure he could take me off the bounce with his handles. Hard to understand why his ball handling has not improved at this juncture in his career.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

I don't think its a matter of him being bad, its inconsistent play, on him and the coaches. How does a guy gain traction and confidence when he sits most of the time. Moss can score in bunches and needs to be on the floor...in my opinion.

I agree in principle but Moss defers to others when he is open. A 2 guard, especially on this team, needs to be aggressive and drive it / shoot it when an opportunity presents. It's maddening to watch Moss turn down open mid-range shots to kick it back to Bohannon with 10 seconds on the shot clock. When Moss is at his best he has a scorer's mentality and hunts shots. When at his worst he is reluctant to shoot and very passive offensively which makes him an easy guard. Like others, Moss would benefit from a drive / kick guy who can get him some clean looks.

It is baffling why Fran sits Moss for long stretches in the 2nd half even when he has good first half performances. On that point I agree 100% with you.

 

[BBHawk]

Connor and Dailey should never be on the floor at the same time. Period. I'm not sure who I would rather keep if we had to choose between the two. Can it be neither?

One is a redshirt freshman. The other is a junior.

 

[Ronman]

Now I see the problem....Let's take Cook, Moss, Daily and Connor out of the equation. So, how much better would our record be?

 

[owenhawk]

This is


Moss would have been recruited over by every other big ten school after last year. Dude red shirted so this is technically year 4 in the program. I think Moss is a guy who tears it up in practice against his teammates but then faces better athletes in games and loses his confidence. He went from attacking the basket with some level of consistency years 1 & 2 to almost exclusively a 3-point shooter this year.

Hard to say if Moss just doesn't have another gear to shift into or if Fran's obsession with Moss being Jok Lite has led to the "3 point or nothing" offense. Moss needs to drive because the team desperately needs a spark and he is a good FT shooter but as others have pointed out, I am not sure he could take me off the bounce with his handles. Hard to understand why his ball handling has not improved at this juncture in his career.

Agreed

 

[owenhawk]

I don't think its a matter of him being bad, its inconsistent play, on him and the coaches. How does a guy gain traction and confidence when he sits most of the time. Moss can score in bunches and needs to be on the floor...in my opinion.

Sorry man I disagree. In my opinion, Fran and staff have more then shown confidence in Moss, more then he deserves at this point. He is the starting SG. He has been in the program for 4 years and still gets run out there to start even though he is a one-dimensional (and even that one dimension is very inconsistent and in fact non-existent a lot of the time) player. He averages 24 minutes a game. Yes, he has the ability to score in bunches but 80 - 90% of the time he is invisible. We have all seen that if by the under 16 timeout he has contributed nothing, that’s likely what he will contribute the rest of the game. At this point, if I was the coach I would feel I gave him more the enough opportunities, bring him off the bench for 10 minutes a game, and make him prove he can give full effort and contribute somewhat consistently.

 

[owenhawk]

Skipped the thread, so I apologize if I duplicate. Who the hell do plan to play in his place, Dailey or one of the walk ons?

I saw skipped thread but yes have answered a few times. At this point I’m done with watching Moss. I know Dailey probably isn’t the answer or what I am saying but I can’t stand watching his terrible ball handling, weak effort, and overall disappearance on a regular basis.

I would rather see Bohannon at SG and Connor at Point or go bigger with Wieskamp at SG and start Baer. I’m not saying those line-ups or starting Dailey will solve the overall issue I’m just done with Moss at this time. I hope to god he proves me wrong and turns it on the rest of the year but I have no confidence he can do that. Some of the guys in the team might not be good enough but I can’t stand seeing poor play along with poor effort.

 

[Buffalo43]

Fredrick will not be a factor if he's simply just a spot up shooter. We've had many of these goofballs and they can't do anything at the B1G level.

Toussaint will be a lot more of a factor IMO. I think he's faced much tougher competition and strictly based on his geographic location, he's undoubtedly faced a lot of tough kids growing up. I think he'll be more of a factor in the B1G, but of course time will tell on both players. Maybe I've got it wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.

I cj will be more like Joe w on offense

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

IM is shooting poorly and in a prolonged streak. That increases the liability of the other deficiencies in his game.

Notwithstanding the foregoing Ike is still the best option at the position.

C McC is a huge drain-he's hit the freshman wall hard. Poor defender, ball handling has deteriorated significantly of late and obviously a terrible shooter. The offense freezes when C's at point guard. I'm almost 60 and still have a better looking jump shot; he just snaps the ball with his wrists, doesn't square his shoulders or his hips and jerks through the limited follow through. He's supposedly a good hitter and I truly know almost nothing about baseball but how could a kid who's basketball shot is so uncoordinated have a nice swing?

MD plays pretty good defense. Largely a liability on offense-although his shot looks nice the results are awful. Probably the best open court defender, although Joey W is an effective defender for his experience level. Still, I think he should be the first guy in when Joey W or IMoss leave the floor. Jobu needs to play all 40 minutes every game from now until whatever NIT round sees Iowa's elimination and C needs only clean up time if there's a blow out.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

I saw skipped thread but yes have answered a few times. At this point I’m done with watching Moss. I know Dailey probably isn’t the answer or what I am saying but I can’t stand watching his terrible ball handling, weak effort, and overall disappearance on a regular basis.

I would rather see Bohannon at SG and Connor at Point or go bigger with Wieskamp at SG and start Baer. I’m not saying those line-ups or starting Dailey will solve the overall issue I’m just done with Moss at this time. I hope to god he proves me wrong and turns it on the rest of the year but I have no confidence he can do that. Some of the guys in the team might not be good enough but I can’t stand seeing poor play along with poor effort.

I am with you on being sick of watching Moss give absolutely nothing in about half of his games, but I think they are stuck giving him at least some minutes. Besides, you never know when he will decide to show up. I can only conclude that something is missing between the ears.

 

[owenhawk]

I am with you on being sick of watching Moss give absolutely nothing in about half of his games, but I think they are stuck giving him at least some minutes. Besides, you never no when he will decide to show up. I can only conclude that something is missing between the ears.

Yeah, you are right I think. They are stuck with him and hoping for the best and I agree the mental part doesn’t appear to be there to be what everyone thinks/hopes he can be.

 

[HawkIDrummer]

Fredrick will not be a factor if he's simply just a spot up shooter. We've had many of these goofballs and they can't do anything at the B1G level..

Fredrickson, Ellingson, Oglesby, ...Fran likes to have at least one of these guys on the team at all times.