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mRNA Vaccines That Code For the Spike Protein--Both Moderna and Pfizer

The entire spike protein is toxic. The vaccines don't code for the full spike protein, just a tiny portion thereof. That being said spike protein toxicity is overrated since most people who get covid recover and don't have long term sequale; this includes non vaccinated individuals.
Will you agree that there isn't enough data to support any claims that the long term effects of using even a tiny portion of the spike protein will be non lingering?
 
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Granted, but if chose to retain autonomy over my body and the inherent biological systems as I see fit, is that unreasonable?
People should absolutely retain autonomy. I have never called for forced vaccination, ever. As long as people are educated of their choices and provided informed consent and they can fully understand it, it's their life and decision. I have no disagreement with that whatsoever. And to add, all medical treatments have some form of inherent risk. Otherwise, we would literally be God. We just choose to accept those risks instead of pushing forward with alternatives that may not work.
 
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I got double poked in April 2021. Can someone just skip to the part when I can expect to die from the shots? That's really all I care about at this point.

Either that or a 3rd arm (which would help with that honey-do list---in more ways than one)
 
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People should absolutely retain autonomy. I have never called for forced vaccination, ever. As long as people are educated of their choices and provided informed consent and they can fully understand it, it's their life and decision. I have no disagreement with that whatsoever. And to add, all medical treatments have some form of inherent risk. Otherwise, we would literally be God. We just choose to accept those risks instead of pushing forward with alternatives that may not work.
I can agree with this. My issue is that making an informed decision is impossible because of the use of a new technology and a potentially harmful protein as the antigen. Now, while you've said they are working on some sort of nasal vaccine that prevents transmission, what are your thoughts on the live attenuated vaccines being developed?
 
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I got double poked in April 2021. Can someone just skip to the part when I can expect to die from the shots? That's really all I care about at this point.

Either that or a 3rd arm (which would help with that honey-do list---in more ways than one)
What about your autism?
 
I can agree with this. My issue is that making an informed decision is impossible because of the use of a new technology and a potentially harmful protein as the antigen. Now, while you've said they are working on some sort of nasal vaccine that prevents transmission, what are your thoughts on the live attenuated vaccines being developed?
As I said, every intervention has risk. I think live attenuated vaccines are going to require lots more safety data before usage. Similar to polio, which had an initial dead virus vaccine and then a live attenuated vaccine, efficacy should outweigh risk. Vaccine associated poliomyelitis does happen, although it is very rare. We will have to see whether we get cases of covid through such vaccines. Personally, we are working on something that looks like a virus but can't behave like a virus. These are called VLP's or virus like particles. They don't have the risk of giving you full blown disease but these particles look just like the virus.
 
As I said, every intervention has risk. I think live attenuated vaccines are going to require lots more safety data before usage. Similar to polio, which had an initial dead virus vaccine and then a live attenuated vaccine, efficacy should outweigh risk. Vaccine associated poliomyelitis does happen, although it is very rare. We will have to see whether we get cases of covid through such vaccines. Personally, we are working on something that looks like a virus but can't behave like a virus. These are called VLP's or virus like particles. They don't have the risk of giving you full blown disease but these particles look just like the virus.
Interesting. Thanks for the congenial discussion.
 
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Food for thought


https://www.pnas.org/content/117/41/25254

We show that SARS-CoV-2 spike contains sequence and structure motifs highly similar to those of a bacterial superantigen and may directly bind T cell receptors. We further report a skewed T cell receptor repertoire in COVID-19 patients with severe hyperinflammation, in support of such a superantigenic effect. Notably, the superantigen-like motif is not present in other SARS family coronaviruses, which may explain the unique potential for SARS-CoV-2 to cause both MIS-C and the cytokine storm observed in adult COVID-19.


https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/JAHA.120.016219

They also discovered that injection of the SARS‐CoV Spike protein alone could decrease lung ACE2 expression and cause acute lung injury, which can be alleviated by ACEIs/ARBs. Considering that the configuration of Spike protein of SARS‐CoV and SARS‐CoV‐2 is almost the same, SARS‐CoV‐2 infection might also downregulate the ACE2 expression in the lung, which might take part in the pathological process of the lung injury.

So, given the option, what would be your preference for getting vaccination + booster?

  • 3x Pfizer
  • 3x Moderna
  • 2x Pfizer + Moderna
  • 2x Moderna + Pfizer

??
 
So, given the option, what would be your preference for getting vaccination + booster?

  • 3x Pfizer
  • 3x Moderna
  • 2x Pfizer + Moderna
  • 2x Moderna + Pfizer

??
At this point in time, I think you're better off asking Fauci or the guy who runs Pfizer or Moderna. Since these vaccines rolled out, we and others have been busy with our own approaches so knows? You might know better.
 
At this point in time, I think you're better off asking Fauci or the guy who runs Pfizer or Moderna. Since these vaccines rolled out, we and others have been busy with our own approaches so knows? You might know better.
So, you don't have a preference.
 
Yes and last I checked still yes. You have a patent or trademark or contract or licensing agreement for me?
As a lawyer what is your take on this case?
 
That paper was written in March and published in September. I am going to presume the vaccine researchers are well aware of the issues raised.
Why would you presume that when the vaccines haven't been altered?
 
Why would you presume that when the vaccines haven't been altered?
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As a lawyer what is your take on this case?
Please see this. Thank you.

It is quite common for newer patent apps to claim previous priority dates. We do it all the time. They are either called continuation in part applications (CIP) or Divisional applications. Either way, the advantage is that you pre-empt newer inventors by your earlier date as long as you either had same or similar claims or the subject matter (disclosure) builds on the prior application.
 
They aren't in use yet. The results of the trials aren't available yet. Try to understand the conversation before jumping in.
To be honest, I just read through the thread. I don't think most people posting here understand the conversation.
 
Please see this. Thank you.

It is quite common for newer patent apps to claim previous priority dates.
Filing continuations and branching off prior patents is how the Big Boys do it.
I've got multiple "extra" patents by them doing this; even though I only disclosed something to the patent lawyers in the company once - often many years prior.
 
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