Musk CEO and DOGE head

[tumorboy]

Holy eff!!!

You really want to make the claim that the leaders and boards of Northrop, Raytheon, GD, Boeing, IBM, AWS, UHC, Deloitte, Accenture don’t have a line???? Shit, Bezos, Cook, Zuck were all behind him on Monday. Ellison gave a joint press conference with him on Wednesday. Where is the hate for those guys??

**** man, those people dominate the lobbying industry. They practically prop up the entire beltway.

If you’re going after Musk, go after all of them and at least be consistent!

I have been consistent. Have reamed UHC and their ability to own a major pharmacy, hospital, doctors network, etc as anti capitalist. It’s a damn crime UHC is the largest health provider. With the twice the denial rate of claims in the industry. But I don’t see anyone in politics giving a shit. They’re all bought. Really what we need is to eliminate lobbying and PACS. But money is free speech and corporations are people.
Musk gets my attention because he’s opened an office in the White House and lives on Trump properties as well. Then owns one of the most dominant social media platforms. That can amplify anything he wants with a few key strokes.
I’m uncomfortable with all of the tech billionaires getting the VIP treatment. While the peasants remain out of the loop.
Bottom line normal folks are going to get screwed even harder than usual. That is the message sent.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

Maybe you’re right! You know, 25+ years ago the country said the same shit about Ted Turner and all that got us was the DNC’s own 24/7 news channel.

Jesus Christ.

Give it a rest.

 

[tumorboy]

Maybe you’re right! You know, 25+ years ago the country said the same shit about Ted Turner and all that got us was the DNC’s own 24/7 news channel.

Then Robert Murdock and his 24/7 GOP news channel followed. Making us all dummer. Now it’s happening online. Great you can choose your own reality.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

Then Robert Murdock and his 24/7 GOP news channel followed.

I miss the days when Fox at least attempted to be “fair and balanced.”

 

[tumorboy]

I miss the days when Fox at least attempted to be “fair and balanced.”

Best decision ever was to cut the cable cord. That way no access to any 24/7 news channel.

 

[WDSMHAWK]

And? Other leaders don’t complain about government spending? Do you think the hundreds of millions of shareholders of all the other contractors don’t complain about government spending. Musk just has a bigger microphone but is just like the rest.

Your media sources are losing to Musk so they’re telling you to hate Musk. All the guy did was make the first EV’s Americans actually wanted en masse, create internet for 3rd world countries that is affordable, shoot up the government’s satellites at a fraction of the cost, develop a new reusable launch system capable of larger payloads, develop neurallink integration to help patients,………

We used to cheer this type of shit on decades ago. Now y’all hate because the dude doesn’t bow down to the Dems. Start thinking for yourself.

And? He's a billionaire welfare queen that bought the presidency and has created a government agency that will try to gut programs that help lower & middle class people and will keep the handouts that make him richer.

I was Anti-Musk back before he started his right-wing grift (which was right after he was sued for sexual harassment). He's copied the Trump playbook of creating a weird cult fan base that will believe every word he says while dismissing every negative story. He's a hypocrite snake oil salesman.

Stop drinking the kool-aid before you end up like the other weird Musk fanboy on this board

 

[LuciousBDragon]

Which ones of the companies you mention here have CEO's standing on stage giving Nazi salutes and on a stage dancing along with Trump? Which ones have an ACTUAL POSITION in the American government?

Bill Gates???

 

[Tom Paris]

Bill Gates???

Link, please? I'm not finding it.

 

[LuciousBDragon]

Then Robert Murdock and his 24/7 GOP news channel followed. Making us all dummer. Now it’s happening online. Great you can choose your own reality.

And? He's a billionaire welfare queen that bought the presidency and has created a government agency that will try to gut programs that help lower & middle class people and will keep the handouts that make him richer.

I was Anti-Musk back before he started his right-wing grift (which was right after he was sued for sexual harassment). He's copied the Trump playbook of creating a weird cult fan base that will believe every word he says while dismissing every negative story. He's a hypocrite snake oil salesman.

Stop drinking the kool-aid before you end up like the other weird Musk fanboy on this board

Dude gets results in a world where results matter and fewer people are getting results.

Should we be doing business with more bureaucrats?

 

[Tiny Hands Trump]

Elon thinks people need to work more hours (but not for more pay) and have more kids.

His companies are notorious for low pay, shit benefits, and long hours. He gets away with it now because of the cool factor and an endless supply of young people willing to drive themselves in to the ground. Turnover rate is super high for a reason. You have no life when working for his companies.

Once he has competition (which he will try and squash with his influence over Trump) that system begins to fail.

 

[LuciousBDragon]

Link, please? I'm not finding it.

It was a joke but here you go:

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/node/270041

Bill Gates Reveals What He Discussed With Trump During Recent Private Meeting

The Microsoft cofounder commended his fellow billionaire for “how well he showed a lot of interest in the issues I brought up.”

www.huffpost.com

 

[LuciousBDragon]

Elon thinks people need to work more hours (but not for more pay) and have more kids.

His companies are notorious for low pay, shit benefits, and long hours. He gets away with it now because of the cool factor and an endless supply of young people willing to drive themselves in to the ground. Turnover rate is super high for a reason. You have no life when working for his companies.

Once he has competition (which he will try and squash with his influence over Trump) that system begins to fail.

I think you’re thinking of Bezos and Amazon drivers and warehouse workers.

Employees of Starlink, SpaceX have it pretty swell. Tesla’s factory in Fremont is compliant with all California regulations which are some of the most worker-friendly in the country. He could have put a factory in Alabama or Tennessee if he wanted but nope.

 

[Tiny Hands Trump]

I think you’re thinking of Bezos and Amazon drivers and warehouse workers.

Employees of Starlink, SpaceX have it pretty swell. Tesla’s factory in Fremont is compliant with all California regulations which are some of the most worker-friendly in the country. He could have put a factory in Alabama or Tennessee if he wanted but nope.

If swell means working 10-12+ (and many are much higher than this) hours a day thru the weekends and holidays, yea, swell. That's SpaceX. Turnover rate for engineers is about 2 years.

There is a reason it is nicknamed "SlaveX" by people in the industry.

 

[Ree4]

Musk run companies receive the most government contract dollars
Runs a giant media platform that can adjust the algorithm to amplify any narrative
Was the largest donor last election cycle
Now going to be in charge of deciding how government dollars should be spent.
If you’re a competitor of Tesla, Twitter, or any company he still owns a piece of. That puts you at a huge competitive disadvantage. Musk needs to pick a lane. Can’t be in the government with that much power and be CEO of all of those companies.

Unfortunately it's the same as it's always been - they just aren't even trying to hide it anymore.

 

[Moral]

What's up with grown men defending robber barons.

 

[LuciousBDragon]

If swell means working 10-12+ (and many are much higher than this) hours a day thru the weekends and holidays, yea, swell. That's SpaceX. Turnover rate for engineers is about 2 years.

There is a reason it is nicknamed "SlaveX" by people in the industry.

Link?

I imagine launching rockets requires some extremely tight deadlines that are non-negotiable. So, hard hours should be expected right? People are stepping over themselves for a job with them no? The experience of working for them propels (pun intended) to careers elsewhere so the hard work pays off right? No one is putting a gun to their head to work there after all.

Any anyway, 50-100+ hr weeks is not unique to the space business. Google was notorious for it. People would still kill their own grandma for a job there. Real Estate agents sometimes work harder!

That being said, there is info that states the contrary:

SpaceX HR chief: “It’s a myth” that our employees are overworked

Despite the long hours, SpaceX received 39,000 applications for internships in 2015.

arstechnica.com

 

[Ree4]

What's up with grown men defending robber barons.

They clearly only want the best for humanity and care nothing for themselves, who can blame them?

 

[Ree4]

I wonder what Tesla's sales would be if the tax credits for electric vehicles went away?

Or if the 100% tariffs for BYD were removed.

 

[Moral]

They clearly only want the best for humanity and care nothing for themselves, who can blame them?

This story always ends the same way. The rich and powerful create oversized power for themselves and everyone lives happily ever after. You look through history and there is example after example of the oppressors, I mean job creators, lifting up everyone into worsening conditions.

 

[BelemNole]

Holy eff!!!

You really want to make the claim that the leaders and boards of Northrop, Raytheon, GD, Boeing, IBM, AWS, UHC, Deloitte, Accenture don’t have a line???? Shit, Bezos, Cook, Zuck were all behind him on Monday. Ellison gave a joint press conference with him on Wednesday. Where is the hate for those guys??

**** man, those people dominate the lobbying industry. They practically prop up the entire beltway.

If you’re going after Musk, go after all of them and at least be consistent!

Yeah, fuc those guys too.
Doesn't change the fact that Musk is leading an agency that he has a monetary interest in.

 

[Ree4]

This story always ends the same way. The rich and powerful create oversized power for themselves and everyone lives happily ever after. You look through history and there is example after example of the oppressors, I mean job creators, lifting up everyone into worsening conditions.

I completely understand why any good oligarch would defend their actions and positions but for average people to defend them as well? I can't for the life of me understand how any average person can be so blind as to defend it as well.

 

[tumorboy]

Competitors are well aware.

Curious to see if this will be another Foxconn though. Musk does have a point. But his opinion is now tainted. Because of all of his financial interests.

 

[LuciousBDragon]

Yeah, fuc those guys too.
Doesn't change the fact that Musk is leading an agency that he has a monetary interest in.

You cool including about 95% of Congress in your accusation as well going back oh say, 100+ years?

They all have conflicts of interest.

 

[BelemNole]

You cool including about 95% of Congress in your accusation as well going back oh say, 100+ years?

They all have conflicts of interest.

Yes, this has totally happened so many times before. You're not combing over the issue like Trump combs over his bald spot at all. It's very believable. Good work

 

[tumorboy]

I completely understand why any good oligarch would defend their actions and positions but for average people to defend them as well? I can't for the life of me understand how any average person can be so blind as to defend it as well.

It’s called branding. Why do you think these billionaires buy media companies that are financial losers.
Goes back to Rockefeller, Fisk, Morgan, Vanderbilt, etc. They spend a small fortune on PR so they can continue to drive the wage workers into the ground.

 

[LuciousBDragon]

Yes, this has totally happened so many times before. You're not combing over the issue like Trump combs over his bald spot at all. It's very believable. Good work

So your position is Musk is unique and no one in government has had a conflict of interest (as the SEC defines it)?

 

[BelemNole]

So your position is Musk is unique and no one in government has had a conflict of interest (as the SEC defines it)?

My position is your strawmen and false equivalencies are comical at best.

 

[Moral]

My position is your strawmen and false equivalencies are comical at best.

Yeah but like what about etc, bro. Like did you ever think about etc.

 

[Tiny Hands Trump]

Link?

I imagine launching rockets requires some extremely tight deadlines that are non-negotiable. So, hard hours should be expected right? People are stepping over themselves for a job with them no? The experience of working for them propels (pun intended) to careers elsewhere so the hard work pays off right? No one is putting a gun to their head to work there after all.

Any anyway, 50-100+ hr weeks is not unique to the space business. Google was notorious for it. People would still kill their own grandma for a job there. Real Estate agents sometimes work harder!

That being said, there is info that states the contrary:

SpaceX HR chief: “It’s a myth” that our employees are overworked

Despite the long hours, SpaceX received 39,000 applications for internships in 2015.

arstechnica.com

SpaceX HR guy says they aren't overworking their people with no actual stats outlining hours worked (in an article by Eric Berger - one of the biggest SpaceX dickriders in the world) - I'm shocked. I'm sure HR guy has experienced super high levels of pressure that the engineers and technicians do.

Take a look at glassdoor reviews and the #1 con is work hours.

Long hours is one thing - but pay needs to be commiserate with that. Google paid their employees far better than SpaceX does. When you take the pay and divide it by the hours expected, that initial number turns to shit.

They get a shit ton of applicants - that's because the cool factor. That's why they can push their employees and not worry they burn them out. They always have someone willing to step in and replace you if you don't want to work those hours. That works for now because they don't have any real competition, yet.

I'm not going to go in to too many details just to remain anonymous - but I've worked in the industry for several companies - I worked for SpaceX for 3 years - which is longer than most. I know what the culture is, I know what they expect. Most people had max levels of PTO accrued (among those that made it more than a year - which is already an accomplishment) because they felt like they couldn't take time off. Even when I took PTO, I still had to remain in constant contact and I still had to work (I didn't get my PTO back for those hours worked - in essence, I didn't get that time off - that's typical for everyone). In my position, there was never any down time where you feel you can take extended time off. Once one project is done you're on to the next, which needs to be done now. Many times you are handling multiple projects like that. I wouldn't take a job there now if they offered me 2x the salary.

A common thing among former SpaceX employees is to leave and take 2-3 months off before looking for their next job. Because, while they worked, they didn't ever get a proper vacation. Your life is work. Some people have nothing outside of work, and fine for them. But I do find this culture to be hilarious given that the CEO wants people to have more kids. Guess what, if your life = work, then you ain't having kids and if you are you're almost certainly a shit parent uninvolved with your kids (see Elon).

 

[LuciousBDragon]

My position is your strawmen and false equivalencies are comical at best.

I assume you will hold all to the same standards as you are holding Musk.

But no, you won’t cuz ideology.

 

[LuciousBDragon]

SpaceX HR guy says they aren't overworking their people with no actual stats outlining hours worked (in an article by Eric Berger - one of the biggest SpaceX dickriders in the world) - I'm shocked. I'm sure HR guy has experienced super high levels of pressure that the engineers and technicians do.

Take a look at glassdoor reviews and the #1 con is work hours.

Long hours is one thing - but pay needs to be commiserate with that. Google paid their employees far better than SpaceX does. When you take the pay and divide it by the hours expected, that initial number turns to shit.

They get a shit ton of applicants - that's because the cool factor. That's why they can push their employees and not worry they burn them out. They always have someone willing to step in and replace you if you don't want to work those hours. That works for now because they don't have any real competition, yet.

I'm not going to go in to too many details just to remain anonymous - but I've worked in the industry for several companies - I worked for SpaceX for 3 years - which is longer than most. I know what the culture is, I know what they expect. Most people had max levels of PTO accrued (among those that made it more than a year - which is already an accomplishment) because they felt like they couldn't take a time off. I wouldn't take a job there now if they offered me 2x the salary.

Bro - SpaceX is not unique. Google, Amazon, and other niche-hip brands all go through the same.

 

[tumorboy]

SpaceX HR guy says they aren't overworking their people with no actual stats outlining hours worked (in an article by Eric Berger - one of the biggest SpaceX dickriders in the world) - I'm shocked. I'm sure HR guy has experienced super high levels of pressure that the engineers and technicians do.

Take a look at glassdoor reviews and the #1 con is work hours.

Long hours is one thing - but pay needs to be commiserate with that. Google paid their employees far better than SpaceX does. When you take the pay and divide it by the hours expected, that initial number turns to shit.

They get a shit ton of applicants - that's because the cool factor. That's why they can push their employees and not worry they burn them out. They always have someone willing to step in and replace you if you don't want to work those hours. That works for now because they don't have any real competition, yet.

I'm not going to go in to too many details just to remain anonymous - but I've worked in the industry for several companies - I worked for SpaceX for 3 years - which is longer than most. I know what the culture is, I know what they expect. Most people had max levels of PTO accrued (among those that made it more than a year - which is already an accomplishment) because they felt like they couldn't take a time off. I wouldn't take a job there now if they offered me 2x the salary.

A common thing among former SpaceX employees is to leave and take 2-3 months off before looking for their next job. Because, while they worked, they didn't ever get a proper vacation. Your life is work. Some people have nothing outside of work, and fine for them. But I do find this culture to be hilarious given that the CEO wants people to have more kids. Guess what, if your life = work, then you ain't having kids and if you are you're almost certainly a shit parent uninvolved with your kids (see Elon).

Employees that had negative experiences with Musk or positive agree on one thing usually. They’d never work for him again.

 

[tumorboy]

Bro - SpaceX is not unique. Google, Amazon, and other niche-hip brands all go through the same.

And that’s why they love the Visa program. Take talent and drive them into the ground. If they don’t like it. Send them back to India.

 

[BelemNole]

I assume you will hold all to the same standards as you are holding Musk.

But no, you won’t cuz ideology.

Yes, any time a billionaire doesn't divest himself from his businesses and leads a new agency that will determine who does and doesn't get govt funding I will complain.
But you keep trying to defend the oligarchs from valid criticism, I'm sure they appreciate it!

 

[WDSMHAWK]

I think you’re thinking of Bezos and Amazon drivers and warehouse workers.

Employees of Starlink, SpaceX have it pretty swell. Tesla’s factory in Fremont is compliant with all California regulations which are some of the most worker-friendly in the country. He could have put a factory in Alabama or Tennessee if he wanted but nope.

If you ignore the illegal union busting, racial discrimination, and sexual harassment Musk owned companies are just like summer camp.

 

[LuciousBDragon]

If you ignore the illegal union busting, racial discrimination, and sexual harassment Musk owned companies are just like summer camp.

It’s all good so long as you call out everyone who is guilty instead of just singling out who your media tells you to single out.

Boeing did a number on union busting in SC but I don’t see you accusing them. Airbus in Alabama. Toyota, VW in Texas, Tennessee, etc…

I’m not saying Musk is a saint or savior but if you are going on the attack, do so with equality and attack everyone instead of the lone wolf your media has told you to attack because they have a vendetta.

 

[Tiny Hands Trump]

Yes, any time a billionaire doesn't divest himself from his businesses and leads a new agency that will determine who does and doesn't get govt funding I will complain.
But you keep trying to defend the oligarchs from valid criticism, I'm sure they appreciate it!

The other issue here is Isaacman being head of NASA. While he is technically competent, his relationship with Musk creates a conflict of interest that could bias NASA against competitors.

 

[Ree4]

It’s called branding. Why do you think these billionaires buy media companies that are financial losers.
Goes back to Rockefeller, Fisk, Morgan, Vanderbilt, etc. They spend a small fortune on PR so they can continue to drive the wage workers into the ground.

Exactly - sorry, it was more of a rhetorical question.

 

[Ree4]

SpaceX HR guy says they aren't overworking their people with no actual stats outlining hours worked (in an article by Eric Berger - one of the biggest SpaceX dickriders in the world) - I'm shocked. I'm sure HR guy has experienced super high levels of pressure that the engineers and technicians do.

Take a look at glassdoor reviews and the #1 con is work hours.

Long hours is one thing - but pay needs to be commiserate with that. Google paid their employees far better than SpaceX does. When you take the pay and divide it by the hours expected, that initial number turns to shit.

They get a shit ton of applicants - that's because the cool factor. That's why they can push their employees and not worry they burn them out. They always have someone willing to step in and replace you if you don't want to work those hours. That works for now because they don't have any real competition, yet.

I'm not going to go in to too many details just to remain anonymous - but I've worked in the industry for several companies - I worked for SpaceX for 3 years - which is longer than most. I know what the culture is, I know what they expect. Most people had max levels of PTO accrued (among those that made it more than a year - which is already an accomplishment) because they felt like they couldn't take time off. Even when I took PTO, I still had to remain in constant contact and I still had to work (I didn't get my PTO back for those hours worked - in essence, I didn't get that time off - that's typical for everyone). In my position, there was never any down time where you feel you can take extended time off. Once one project is done you're on to the next, which needs to be done now. Many times you are handling multiple projects like that. I wouldn't take a job there now if they offered me 2x the salary.

A common thing among former SpaceX employees is to leave and take 2-3 months off before looking for their next job. Because, while they worked, they didn't ever get a proper vacation. Your life is work. Some people have nothing outside of work, and fine for them. But I do find this culture to be hilarious given that the CEO wants people to have more kids. Guess what, if your life = work, then you ain't having kids and if you are you're almost certainly a shit parent uninvolved with your kids (see Elon).

While he sits back, does jack shit, and takes most of your hard work as profit for himself. Typical capitalist.