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Musk says he can cut 2 trillion from the budget

The people collecting SS checks today are the ones ‘stealing’ your money.

If you understood how a Ponzi scheme works you’d understand why there will only be ~77% of promised benefits after 2033.
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So we should allow China to export goods to the USA that are undercutting American businesses? Are you aware China subsidizes their exports? Pull your own head out of your ass & educate yourself instead of spewing garbage outta your stink hole!

Key Points about Countervailing Duties:​

  1. Purpose:
    • Leveling the playing field: If a foreign government is providing subsidies (such as tax breaks, grants, or low-interest loans) to its domestic producers, it can lead to those goods being sold at artificially low prices in the importing country. This makes it difficult for domestic producers in the importing country to compete.
    • Protecting domestic industries: CVDs are used to protect local industries from unfair competition caused by these subsidized imports.
  2. How CVDs Work:
    • If a government believes that imports of certain goods are being sold at unfairly low prices due to subsidies, it can initiate an investigation to determine the level of the subsidy.
    • If the investigation finds that the subsidies are indeed harmful to domestic industries, the government may impose countervailing duties on those goods to bring their price back up to a level that reflects the fair market value.
  3. Examples of Subsidies:
    • Direct financial assistance: Governments may provide direct payments to exporters to reduce their costs.
    • Tax breaks: Exporters may receive tax exemptions or reductions that reduce their cost of production.
    • Government-provided loans: Low-interest loans or loan guarantees may be offered to businesses, giving them an unfair advantage in the global market.
  4. How Are CVDs Calculated?
    • The amount of the countervailing duty is typically equal to the subsidy amount provided by the exporting country. This is determined through a detailed investigation conducted by trade authorities (like the U.S. Department of Commerce).
    • Once determined, the countervailing duty is imposed on the imported goods to offset the unfair advantage gained through the subsidy.
  5. Relation to Anti-Dumping Duties:
    • Anti-dumping duties (ADDs) are different from countervailing duties but serve a similar purpose. Anti-dumping duties are imposed when foreign goods are sold in the importing country at a price lower than their normal value, often due to predatory pricing practices.
    • Countervailing duties, on the other hand, target government subsidies and are aimed at addressing the effects of those subsidies, while anti-dumping duties are focused on unfair pricing practices like dumping.

Example:​

  • U.S. and Chinese Solar Panels: A well-known case involved the U.S. imposing countervailing duties on solar panels imported from China. The U.S. government argued that the Chinese government was subsidizing its solar panel industry, making it difficult for American manufacturers to compete. As a result, countervailing duties were imposed to offset the subsidy, raising the price of Chinese solar panels in the U.S.

Countervailing Duty Process:​

  1. Complaint: A domestic company or industry in the importing country files a petition alleging that imports are being subsidized and causing harm to the domestic industry.
  2. Investigation: The importing country’s trade authority (e.g., the U.S. Department of Commerce) investigates the claim to determine the extent of the subsidy and the injury caused to the domestic industry.
  3. Determination: If the investigation finds that subsidies are being provided and that they are harming the domestic industry, countervailing duties are calculated and imposed.
  4. Ongoing Monitoring: After the imposition of the duties, the situation is often monitored, and the duties can be adjusted or removed if circumstances change.

International Trade Agreements:​

  • Countervailing duties are governed by international trade rules, particularly under the World Trade Organization (WTO) agreements. Countries that believe countervailing duties are unjustified can challenge them through the WTO dispute settlement process.
In summary, countervailing duties are a tool used in international trade to counteract the negative effects of government subsidies on foreign goods, protecting domestic industries from unfair competition caused by artificially low-priced imports.
Yep force citizens to pay twice what they were for the same product . . . Do you really listen to what you are saying?
 
Yep force citizens to pay twice what they were for the same product . . . Do you really listen to what you are saying?

Should we align our trade policies to enrich the authoritarians who control China?
Is that actually in our best interest?
 
What was Trumps primary issue he won on, the economy and inflation, and your first order of business is creating more inflation in the system.

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Should we align our trade policies to enrich the authoritarians who control China?
Is that actually in our best interest?

“Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon, in the sense that it is and can be produced only by a more rapid increase in the quantity of money than in output.”
 
Should we align our trade policies to enrich the authoritarians who control China?
Is that actually in our best interest?

“Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon, in the sense that it is and can be produced only by a more rapid increase in the quantity of money than in output.”
I’m not saying we should be friendly with China however the result will be a major FU to everyone who just voted for you, Yes it worked for Trump with Steel, it won’t be as effective with cheap goods. It would show the intelligence level of you Trump and those who voted for him.
 
I’m not saying we should be friendly with China however the result will be a major FU to everyone who just voted for you, Yes it worked for Trump with Steel, it won’t be as effective with cheap goods. It would show the intelligence level of you Trump and his his voters.
I have a hard time deciding which decision by GHWB was worse:

Not seeking to isolate the Chicoms (instead of enriching them) with the Berlin Wall falling on the heels of the Tiananmen Square Massacre

or

Sticking Uncle Sam's dick into the hornet's nest of the Middle East and embarking us on decades of war to no advantage (unless we count enriching the MIC).
 
I have a hard time deciding which decision by GHWB was worse:

Not seeking to isolate the Chicoms (instead of enriching them) with the Berlin Wall falling on the heels of the Tiananmen Square Massacre

or

Sticking Uncle Sam's dick into the hornet's nest of the Middle East and embarking us on decades of war to no advantage (unless we count enriching the MIC).
That’s not the discussion, Trump literally just said inflation would be better with him and he will immediately mess with inflation. You have two policy fronts that are diametrically opposed. Control inflation or go to protectionism and jack up tariffs on everything. Again it shows the intelligence levels and critical thinking skills of most of his voters.
 
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That’s not the discussion, Trump literally just said inflation would be better with him and he will immediately mess with inflation.

Taxes don't cause inflation.
Taxes don't increase the money supply.

In our fiat monetary system federal debt serves as the basis for credit (and thereby monetary pool) expansion.

Powell has been running down the Fed's balance sheet peaked in April '22, which turned off the turbo that was running on inflation.

If Trump can actually slash spending you'll see the value of the dollar surge, and make imports cheaper.

I'm waiting to see if there are any signs of the bogeyman: Deflation.
 
Are we sure that his own party can stop him? The Supreme Court has given him total immunity. He can jail anyone who doesn’t comply with his wishes without consequence. He could execute anyone who opposes him just the same.

Welcome to the new America.

After 1/6, there were many GOP representatives who would not comment publicly, but were afraid to stand up to Trump and the GOP followers due to fear of their own lives and families.

You think any of those folks will stand up for the Constitution and Rule of Law now? They've misled their core for so many years with utter nonsense, they are to the point they cannot backtrack. Very likely what happened in 1930s Germany. "Things got out of hand"
 
I would say 1/4 of current Trump/MAGA voters are participating in some sort of social program.

Hell, a quarter of Iowans are on Medicaid/CHIP.
There are something like 40M people who rely on the ACA for health insurance access and many have pre-existing conditions. The "plan" that Vance and Project 2025 have pushed is to dump those people off insurance entirely, for "lower premiums" for others.

The folks who voted for this in flyover country will bear the brunt of the results. The uber-rich and American oligarchs will get even more money, and have access to even more propaganda platforms to keep doing it. Hunger Games is gonna look like a documentary...
 
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I'm a little fuzzy on how Eloon is going to run the federal budget and satisfy his duties as CEO of Twitter, Tesla, Neuralink, and the Boring Company?

He's actually not doing much of an active role in anything but Twitter these days.

Upper mgmt in those companies has been quoted as saying "keeping him out of the way" is paramount to their success.
 
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If your city:municipality is overspending, your taxes probably will go up.
They aren't "overspending"

They are having to make up for less federal grant $$ and investments.
When I was young, local tax rates on purchases were in the 1%-3% range.
Today, those are 8%-10%, because localities are having to find ways to fund that gap.

Federal investments in communities have not kept up with population growth. Those new local taxes are taxes on the middle class and poor, which have replaced the taxes we used to put on the rich and Wall St.
 
In all seriousness. Spending cuts and efficiency efforts should be priority 1. Guessing tax cuts will be once again though. Budget shouldn’t have an additional penny of tax cut changes. Until at least a few years of spending cuts.
 
If anyone can it's him. When he cut like 80% of the Twitter workforce I was highly skeptical. Twitter works as well now as it ever did.

No; it does not. The level of propaganda and hate speech is at all time highs.
He got rid of the people who limited that, and prevented bots/trolls.
 
They aren't "overspending"

They are having to make up for less federal grant $$ and investments.
When I was young, local tax rates on purchases were in the 1%-3% range.
Today, those are 8%-10%, because localities are having to find ways to fund that gap.

Federal investments in communities have not kept up with population growth. Those new local taxes are taxes on the middle class and poor, which have replaced the taxes we used to put on the rich and Wall St.

I'm not following you. If your municipality is spending twice as much as the municipality next door, your taxpayers should be paying. Not the people that live elsewhere in the country.

And if you can't afford your local taxes, they are either overspending, or you simply can't afford to live in your neighborhood.
 
I'm pissed about SS. I've been paying in for decades. Gonna really piss me off having the Rs steal all my money on their way out.
Jfc dumbass, that money was stolen years ago to pay for countless other programs. I sure as hell hope it's there when I want it too but it won't be the Rs stealing it if it's not. Decades of reckless and unethical spending got us here and both Ds and Rs are to blame. Career pols certainly aren't going to fix it.
 
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Sticking Uncle Sam's dick into the hornet's nest of the Middle East
Just sit back and watch what happens if the flow of oil from the ME is disrupted by a local/regional war there.

That is the ONLY reason we are over there, and Biden/Dems trying to shift our global energy to renewables, so that we no longer need to rely on that energy is the long-term solution. If anything, Trump is going to amplify this and use the military to prop up more dictatorships that give him $$ and properties. He literally did this w/ a bullshit raid that killed some servicemen early in his tenure; nothing was gathered from the raid - it was a propaganda move, and that's what our military is going to be to him now. Just like the meat-grinder Putin is throwing his citizens into.

Trump does not give a shit about them, and some of them are going to pay the price for that now. Democracies do not start world wars: totalitarians and authoritarians who are fighting for power do.
 
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I'm not following you. If your municipality is spending twice as much as the municipality next door

All localities are paying more. Most states have higher sales taxes than they did 40 and 50 yrs ago; because they do not get the federal $$ they used to for roads, education, etc.
 
Just sit back and watch what happens if the flow of oil from the ME is disrupted by a local/regional war there.

That is the ONLY reason we are over there, and Biden/Dems trying to shift our global energy to renewables, so that we no longer need to rely on that energy is the long-term solution. If anything, Trump is going to amplify this and use the military to prop up more dictatorships that give him $$ and properties. He literally did this w/ a bullshit raid that killed some servicemen early in his tenure; nothing was gathered from the raid - it was a propaganda move, and that's what our military is going to be to him now. Just like the meat-grinder Putin is throwing his citizens into.

Trump does not give a shit about them, and some of them are going to pay the price for that now. Democracies do not start world wars: totalitarians and authoritarians who are fighting for power do.

Thanks for confirming that you don't know crap about the U.S. energy policy.
 
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SS is not solvent in the current form regardless of who is in charge.

Democrats have put forth several proposals to help delay the issue. GOP has done zero.
Expect them to continue that for another 4 yrs; when we hit a crisis on it, it gets ugly.

The sooner action is taken, the easier it is to address. Dems have tried for over a decade to make small positive changes. Point me to one that the GOP has championed.
 
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All localities are paying more. Most states have higher sales taxes than they did 40 and 50 yrs ago; because they do not get the federal $$ they used to for roads, education, etc.

So you want to borrow from China, so that your municipality can fix their roads?

If your municipality is spending local money, they will be far less likely to waste it.
 
Democrats have put forth several proposals to help delay the issue. GOP has done zero.
Expect them to continue that for another 4 yrs; when we hit a crisis on it, it gets ugly.

The sooner action is taken, the easier it is to address. Dems have tried for over a decade to make small positive changes. Point me to one that the GOP has championed.

The R's have had various plans over time. Other than proposing to raise taxes, the D's have just kicked the can.
 
Democrats have put forth several proposals to help delay the issue. GOP has done zero.
Expect them to continue that for another 4 yrs; when we hit a crisis on it, it gets ugly.

The sooner action is taken, the easier it is to address. Dems have tried for over a decade to make small positive changes. Point me to one that the GOP has championed.
Here is the rub. The dems propose things with no cuts and just raising taxes. I'm not for that. Start the cutting!
 
So you want to borrow from China
No

I want to see tax rates on the wealthy and cap gains back to Reagan levels (or before) when we had balanced budgets.
Leave cap gains low for retirement funds and net worth less than $5-10M. Let the rich pay their share. Warren Buffet explained to you how he pays a lower effective rate than his secretary. Fix that, and you address quite a bit of our deficit issues.
 
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If Trump can actually slash spending you'll see the value of the dollar surge, and make imports cheaper.
Where is he going to find it? In FY23 (the last year for which we have complete and accurate data) we spent $6.1 trillion while taking in revenue of ~$4.4 trillion. That is a one year deficit of $1.7 trillion. So just to get balanced we would need to cut that amount. I love the idea of cuts, I’m a fiscal conservative. But Trump’s a populist who is going to cut tax revenue, not increase it. He also says he will increase military spending.

Where do you find $1.7T out of this mix?
  • Medicare/Medicaid: $1.6T
  • Social security: $1.3T
  • Other mandatory spend (veterans, pensions, child nutrition, child tax credits, etc): $0.8T
  • Defense: $0.8T
  • Interest on our debt: $0.7T
  • All other discretionary spending: $0.9T
The only way to get the benefit of a balanced budget and reduce money printing is to cut some VERY popular items…by a lot. This would be virtually impossible, but if you can’t raise taxes you would have to do something like this:
  • Cut social security benefits right now by 1/3: $0.5T
  • Reduce Medicare/medicaid benefits by 1/3: $0.4T
  • Reduce defense spending by 1/3: $0.3T
  • Reduce all other discretionary spending by 1/2: $0.5T
That balances the budget. How long do you think the GOP stays in power if they do that? Even if you eliminated all non military discretionary spending (no government at all, no outlays to states at all) you would still need to find another $0.8 trillion.

Trump’s promises are empty.
 
No

I want to see tax rates on the wealthy and cap gains back to Reagan levels (or before) when we had balanced budgets.
Leave cap gains low for retirement funds and net worth less than $5-10M. Let the rich pay their share. Warren Buffet explained to you how he pays a lower effective rate than his secretary. Fix that, and you address quite a bit of our deficit issues.

So you don't want to pay your fair share. Instead, you want to increase the taxes of someone who live half-way across the country.

What kind if financial discipline will your local government have in they aren't spending local dollars?
 
Assuming, arguendo, that is a good idea, it would be about 44B for climate issues, and 14B for Ukraine. Many billions of that is actually spent here in the united states. But given my math laid out above, you're still 172B short, if you make no cuts to the military, VA benefits, ss, and medicare.*

*edited to note this also involves axing every single other federal expenditure.

You thought we already spent a trillion dollars when that was the projected spend over 10 years, so...

I'm not the one who pretended that we spend $44 billion for green energy and $14 Billion on Ukraine. Again, the D's are spending $1 trillion on the Infrastructure Reduction Act (which increased inflation and cost the D's the election) and $200 billion on Ukraine. And these two figures only scratch the surface.

A good way to tell when D's are pissing away money is when they call it an "investment". D's don't invest...
 
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