We didn’t score 20 points on offense. We scored 13 points.
My rant for all the whining Hawkeye "Fans"
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You wrote 9 paragraphs about people whining. Look in the mirror. Stop caring about the internet so much.
We are basically spending 50% of these games being frustrated and immensely disappointed.
Even though we win, I am in the mindset of “Cool, we won, but that sucked and was hard to watch. Our offense sucked again! Fire Brian!”
I’m sick and tired of saying those things after a win.
We have to be one of the least exciting teams in college football. So, what do I want? I want Iowa to be fun to watch. I want our incredible consistency at being terrible on offense to disappear. We are SO bad on offense it’s almost like they don’t care about that phase of the game.
If they cared, they’d show Barnett and BF the door.
Pretty much exactly this.
Patterson's big run + his TD & McNamara hitting Lachey over the top for a really good gain were very awesome, but the play that really got me going was Castro's Pick6.
I will always love it when Iowa wins, but unless the D thrills with Pick6's or fumble returns for TDs, most of the wins are - for the most part - boring. Yes, boring. The offense gets an early 10 or 14 points, and then the Ferentzes 'put the car in park' by going into "protect the lead and burn clock" mode.
When it comes to high school skill position recruits, how do you watch the Iowa offense - in its current form - and think "man, I could be a real superstar in that system!" if you're not a TE?
And if you're HS offensive recruit - or general CFB or B1G fan - of any kind, how do you watch an Iowa game without yawning?
Most times if the heart rate increases at all during an Iowa game, its while agonizing over the hope that the defense can protect a lead and winning result. Not because the offense is doing anything even remotely exciting.
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Sure I will be called names and not a true fan
The score was 10-0 when the Interception for TD occurred, not sure how that is some type of offensive performance to be proud of. 4 first downs in the second half
Having a 20-3 lead and then not trying to score and allowing the other team to have the ball with a chance to tie is some sort of brilliant strategy? Why not get another score and not have to worry about it? Is there some type of style points for winning with the least amount of points possible?
If the offense was better last year, Iowa would have won more games, that seems pretty clear. Why would a fan not want their team to score more points, and have a great defense and special teams? Iowa can have a bad offense if the other two are good?
My favorite so far is that Saban doesn't like to win National Championships this way. I guess he could have taken Ferentz's approach and prove that the rule changes to benefit offense are not fair. Instead, Saban adjusted. Granted, Iowa probably will not have the ability to recruit to that level.
Iowa has won against two bad teams, the offense is better but still really bad. Many Iowa fans think that might be an issue as they play better teams, they are just bad fans I guess.
Just for fun, here is the average points per game for the Top 20 teams from last year. Not sure they play complimentary football though
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The Iowa coaches have stated that the offense needs to be better, they obtained players on the portal to attempt to improve it, not sure why a fan need to find another team if they agree with the coaches and the former AD
The score was 10-0 when the Interception for TD occurred, not sure how that is some type of offensive performance to be proud of. 4 first downs in the second half
Having a 20-3 lead and then not trying to score and allowing the other team to have the ball with a chance to tie is some sort of brilliant strategy? Why not get another score and not have to worry about it? Is there some type of style points for winning with the least amount of points possible?
If the offense was better last year, Iowa would have won more games, that seems pretty clear. Why would a fan not want their team to score more points, and have a great defense and special teams? Iowa can have a bad offense if the other two are good?
My favorite so far is that Saban doesn't like to win National Championships this way. I guess he could have taken Ferentz's approach and prove that the rule changes to benefit offense are not fair. Instead, Saban adjusted. Granted, Iowa probably will not have the ability to recruit to that level.
Iowa has won against two bad teams, the offense is better but still really bad. Many Iowa fans think that might be an issue as they play better teams, they are just bad fans I guess.
Just for fun, here is the average points per game for the Top 20 teams from last year. Not sure they play complimentary football though
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The Iowa coaches have stated that the offense needs to be better, they obtained players on the portal to attempt to improve it, not sure why a fan need to find another team if they agree with the coaches and the former AD
whut? do you actually have a point there? how does that connect whatsoever to my post?
So 50% of the time you are immensely disappointed?
Iowa doesn't lose 50% of the time so you are saying there is something you value more than winning. You mention style and entertainment value.
You should know, by the way that not everyone has the same taste in color, food, music, or football scores. I am much more entertained by a defensive battle than a shootout.
But what any of us are entertained by has nothing to do with supporting this team. In basketball I much prefer a high scoring game to a low scoring game. But I cheered Lickliter's teams just as hard as any other. Why? First of all, I'm a Hawkeye fan. And secondly, the players deserved the support. Also, although this didn't apply to Lick's teams, I understand that there are many ways to win. This applies to all sports. Many different styles can work at a championship level. It's about who is best at their own particular style. Many fans need to get over themselves.
I would love nothing more than for KF to just come out and say, "look, we play good football. We play winning football. My players graduate and we put players into the NFL. If you're looking for something else go find another team."
Of course KF is too classy for this to ever happen. But that would one of my favorite moments of all-time!!!
You should stay on your Nebraska board. We don't need all your whining all the time!
How many other coaches have won 200 games? We're Iowa and have a small recruiting base. We have to play with what we get...Maybe you should be a coach at a major college and see how great you must be!!
How many other coaches have won 200 games? We're Iowa and have a small recruiting base. We have to play with what we get...Maybe you should be a coach at a major college and see how great you must be!!
I don’t think class has anything to do with Kirk saying that. It would be suicide and I doubt the university would be happy with him.
That's cool and all, but if you want to see how a program that wins more than Iowa, and out-recruits them acts. Look at Ohio State or Michigan. Particularly Ohio State this year. They are losing their minds because the offense sucks. Forget the fact their defense may actually live up to it's promise. They know they aren't winning anything without real firepower this year. Have you not seen USC, Washington, or Oregon this year?
Iowa has no hope of beating Michigan or Penn State in the conference title game. This is the last year they have a clear path to get smashed by Ohio State, Michigan, or Penn State. Next year there are no divisions. Wisconsin will be better in year two under Fickell. Michigan State will likely be looking for another coach after this investigation.
Try this lineup up for size. Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, they aren't going to be battling for one spot. They'll be eligible for both. Now add in USC, UCLA, Washington and Oregon. Is an Iowa squad with an 80th ranked offense going to be better than any of those teams? Iowa has had it easy the past several years, as had all the West teams. Ferentz can't just play the same way and expect 8 wins. It's time to decide what Iowa is. An annual top 6 Big Ten team, or a middle tier squad battling Illinois, Purdue, Northwestern, Indiana or Minnesota to stay out of the basement.
Iowa has no hope of beating Michigan or Penn State in the conference title game. This is the last year they have a clear path to get smashed by Ohio State, Michigan, or Penn State. Next year there are no divisions. Wisconsin will be better in year two under Fickell. Michigan State will likely be looking for another coach after this investigation.
Try this lineup up for size. Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, they aren't going to be battling for one spot. They'll be eligible for both. Now add in USC, UCLA, Washington and Oregon. Is an Iowa squad with an 80th ranked offense going to be better than any of those teams? Iowa has had it easy the past several years, as had all the West teams. Ferentz can't just play the same way and expect 8 wins. It's time to decide what Iowa is. An annual top 6 Big Ten team, or a middle tier squad battling Illinois, Purdue, Northwestern, Indiana or Minnesota to stay out of the basement.
We only have to make a choice because we had a gutless AD. No other program would have allowed us to become the laughing stock of college football
People forget earlier, simple plays. You mention above that Iowa was up 2 scores, 20-6, but that very odd play were Cooper was right there at the iowa goalline to intercept a high looping pass when the ball careened off X's helmet. A one in a thousand thing that kept Iowa from a turnover and from still having a 20-3, three score lead.
I also did not like Iowa giving up some chunk plays during ISU's TD drive, especially a couple of runs for 10+ yards, that is a time to check for run and then rush the passer, keep them to short passes, and dont give up a quick score. I guess that part worked although the defense had them in 2nd and long. And I was hoping for a 5 man pass rush and 6 in coverage on that TD play, just my wishing but I would not seriously question Phil Parker.
But what stood out to me was how physical the hawk Dee was on that last possession where they just manhandled ISU. Hurkett made an outstanding read and rush inside that blocker. Hurkett looks like he has 20+ more pounds of pure muscle and maybe more explosive.
That TD drive took them forever. They were being booed by their own fans. Now while I'm sure Phil wasn't crazy about actually giving up a TD, it took a 4th down pass w/great coverage and their guy just made a play. And one 1st down makes it so there's no worry on our end. But then the defense put the game to bed.
Iowa's Big Ten rank in various offensive stats:
But having an amazing defense is no excuse for settling for a piss-poor offensive scheme led by the head coach's son. Any other offensive coordinator would have been fired given the results Brian's offenses have produced. This year's offense is a big improvement over last year's, but it is still arguably the worst in the Big Ten. The offense has no identity. If anything, people often say the running game is Iowa's identity, but we've only finished in the top half of the Big Ten in rushing once since Brian's been OC. We cannot run the ball. We cannot pass the ball. We cannot control the clock with our offense. We cannot ice-away by gaining a first down with our offense. Our offense has objectively been awful with Brian as OC, and even with an infusion of talent with the transfer portal, the results this year are still awful. There is no logical argument that our offensive style has helped us win games. It's insane that anyone is surprised fans are upset about a coaching staff's refusal to make a change with the offense.
- Total Offense: Last
- Yards per play: Last
- Yards per rush: Last
- Yards per pass: 12th
- Points: Tied for 11th
- Touchdowns: Tied for 12th
- First downs: Last
But having an amazing defense is no excuse for settling for a piss-poor offensive scheme led by the head coach's son. Any other offensive coordinator would have been fired given the results Brian's offenses have produced. This year's offense is a big improvement over last year's, but it is still arguably the worst in the Big Ten. The offense has no identity. If anything, people often say the running game is Iowa's identity, but we've only finished in the top half of the Big Ten in rushing once since Brian's been OC. We cannot run the ball. We cannot pass the ball. We cannot control the clock with our offense. We cannot ice-away by gaining a first down with our offense. Our offense has objectively been awful with Brian as OC, and even with an infusion of talent with the transfer portal, the results this year are still awful. There is no logical argument that our offensive style has helped us win games. It's insane that anyone is surprised fans are upset about a coaching staff's refusal to make a change with the offense.
This is true, go ahead and look back at the defensive rankings of the team we played last year, it some crazy stat of 5 or 6 teams were ranked in Top 20 NCAA defenses.
You say not everyone has the same tastes, and that there are many ways to win....but then say many fans need to "get over themselves". I can only assume (based on your posting history), that you are referring to those fans who are unhappy with the offense. Those folks have as much right to their opinion as you do. And because they think different than you doesn't make them wrong.....or less of a fan.
Iowa's offense was awful last year. That is a statistical fact. Fans have every right to be unhappy about that, and to expect better. Personally, I have seen several positives in the offense so far this season, and I think it will continue to improve. I have no complaints. But some fans still have concerns. It is their right to voice them.
I don't think it's the worst this year. Minnesota and Nebraska are pretty bad. I think it's more likely that it's in the bottom 3 or 4.
Holy crap. This is one of the craziest things someone has posted on this board regarding the Iowa offense.
Yep. Spoiled with PP and spoiled with a ridiculously weak schedule most seasons. That'll change after this season, we'll get some combination of tOSU, Michigan, PSU, USC, Oregon every season, and probably be playing each of them 2 out of every 4 seasons. Let's see what our W/L record looks like with that pathetic offense once our SoS goes way up.
The defenses look good because the offenses in the West, especially last year were all incredibly bad. Look at the quarterback play at Rutgers, Northwestern, Illinois, and of course Iowa. Wisconsin was an absolute dumpster fire at Quarterback as was Nebraska. We are the only ones that can truly overcome our offensive ineptness.
Yes, because roughly 50% of watching a game is watching our offensive phase, and it is disappointing from start to finish pretty much every week..for years now.
Even after a 20-13 win against ISU or a 24-14 win against Utah State, our lack of a decent offense leaves me with overall disappointment. It’s not fun to watch. It’s boring.
Get a ****ing offense.
I see. I misunderstood what you meant by 50%.
But you still say you are left with overall disappointment after wins.
Which upholds my point that you place more value on style of play and your level of entertainment than you do on winning or simply being a supportive Hawk fan.
I alternate between feeling sorry for and being angry at these type of "fans"
I want Iowa to be the best football team they can possibly be.
Whether Kirk realizes or cares about it or not, recruits aren’t excited about playing in this offense. Especially at WR. Not getting better recruits will (and has, I would argue) bite us in the ass when we run into a team that can score on our defense and the offense has to step up and keep us in the game. Or when the schedule gets a hell of a lot tougher and the overall quality of our team will have to elevate.
What’s worse; trying to be good on offense and just failing at it, or what OP and others suggest; that this is all intentional and we’ll only ever do just enough to win games?
Whether Kirk realizes or cares about it or not, recruits aren’t excited about playing in this offense. Especially at WR. Not getting better recruits will (and has, I would argue) bite us in the ass when we run into a team that can score on our defense and the offense has to step up and keep us in the game. Or when the schedule gets a hell of a lot tougher and the overall quality of our team will have to elevate.
What’s worse; trying to be good on offense and just failing at it, or what OP and others suggest; that this is all intentional and we’ll only ever do just enough to win games?
in all fairness, the fsb (ne) and ministry of state security (isu) are working hard for regime change
Why? If it's 50% offense and 50% defense and special teams and on one hand the defense and special teams year after year is such joy to watch, so well coached and always seeming to be in the right spot and the other 50% you have 2 tight ends run into each other, a QB going 12-23 for a little over 100 yards and we're kind of excited about that, and scoring 13 pts and then just shutting it down for 3 quarters no, that's just not enjoyable. If it is for you that's fine. It's not for many of us. That doesn't make us more or less of a fan.
meanwhile Iowa just got a Big Ten Champion Quarterback...
a WR from Ohio State
a WR who is the son of a former NFL WR
and a TE who played on a Big Ten Championship team
your hatred for Iowa football is clouding your ability to think.
how about this... supporting the players that we have and encouraging them.
Well...last years scoring defensive rankings
Illinois #1
Minnesota #4
Michigan #7
Kentucky #11
Wisc #17
ISU #8
3 of those team’s play in the Big Ten West. Plus Iowa. Illini had a salty defense, I’ll agree. Would you also agree that pretty much every team in the Big Ten West had very poor QB play and just poor offenses in general? Purdue being the exception at QB.
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