Thought Nick Moore was dealing with injury that was kept pretty quiet.
NCAA Tournament Seeding
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Worst seed of the Tournament, defending 149 pound National Champ Austin O’Connor. He is the #11 seed at 157 With a record of 17-2. His only losses were to Peyton Robb in November, ironically the #10 with a 13-8 record, and Ed Scott the 4 seed.
The only two guys he faced in the top 20 he lost to.
Ever the optimist...
Iowa out-scores PSU at:
125
149
157
165
285
PSU out-scores Iowa at:
184
197 (maybe)
So, in my thinking, it comes down to three matches (barring upsets along the way). Same matchups as last year's tourney. If Iowa wins at least one of these, then I like our chances.
133 - DeSanto vs. Bravo-Young
141 - Eierman vs. Lee
174 - Kemerer vs. Starocci
Of course, with Michigan winning Big 10s, they're now the favorite, so how do we match up point-wise with them?
Iowa out-scores Mich. at:
133
141
149
165
285
Mich. out-scores Iowa at:
125
184
These will be the key weights where we need to out-score Mich. (not that they'll meet each other). I like our chances in each weight.
157 - Young vs. Lewan
174 - Kemerer vs. Massa
197 - Warner vs. Brucki
If Iowa has a solid tourney, they'll have a reasonable shot at the team title. Just hoping that the injuries won't affect our guys too much. Also, I think bonus will be fairly even among these 3 teams.
Iowa out-scores PSU at:
125
149
157
165
285
PSU out-scores Iowa at:
184
197 (maybe)
So, in my thinking, it comes down to three matches (barring upsets along the way). Same matchups as last year's tourney. If Iowa wins at least one of these, then I like our chances.
133 - DeSanto vs. Bravo-Young
141 - Eierman vs. Lee
174 - Kemerer vs. Starocci
Of course, with Michigan winning Big 10s, they're now the favorite, so how do we match up point-wise with them?
Iowa out-scores Mich. at:
133
141
149
165
285
Mich. out-scores Iowa at:
125
184
These will be the key weights where we need to out-score Mich. (not that they'll meet each other). I like our chances in each weight.
157 - Young vs. Lewan
174 - Kemerer vs. Massa
197 - Warner vs. Brucki
If Iowa has a solid tourney, they'll have a reasonable shot at the team title. Just hoping that the injuries won't affect our guys too much. Also, I think bonus will be fairly even among these 3 teams.
Great analysis here, Mendoza. We sure can do it. Virtually no margin for error in the team race. We need to get to and win those head to head match ups with PSU to have a shot. Can we make the adjustments? ADS over RBY and Eirman over Lee? Kem over Starocci? I think we will have more guys scoring points than PSU, and could be ahead going into the finals, but the challenge (like years past) is that a few PSU guys go deep and score big points.
Thought to myself after he went down it was over for him also. But he did get a TD after that to win it
Man, even if half the Hawks were fully healthy, I'd like their chances
I think KY and Bull might be the only guys not wearing at least a tape job/brace/sleeve.
I'm not going to post them, but I'm having some dark thoughts about the downside scenarios. Good vibes only, right?
I think KY and Bull might be the only guys not wearing at least a tape job/brace/sleeve.
I'm not going to post them, but I'm having some dark thoughts about the downside scenarios. Good vibes only, right?
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I have a feeling Abe is going to have a good run, I would not count him out of that match.
A little something about Kem, I had a very similar if not same injury.
The scream was most likely not because the injury became more severe, the damage is done and it’s about working with it for the season and then have it repaired.
My shoulder was a complete dislocation, it would just pop out after that from time to time and it was painful each time but I could continue without additional problems. I did not have a harness like these guys do so I would imagine that it is assisting to preventing that.
My point is , Kem should still be as good as he was prior to the 10’s in fact maybe better because he knows more about what to expect, even hurt he is good enough to win it as Cory Clarke did!
The scream was most likely not because the injury became more severe, the damage is done and it’s about working with it for the season and then have it repaired.
My shoulder was a complete dislocation, it would just pop out after that from time to time and it was painful each time but I could continue without additional problems. I did not have a harness like these guys do so I would imagine that it is assisting to preventing that.
My point is , Kem should still be as good as he was prior to the 10’s in fact maybe better because he knows more about what to expect, even hurt he is good enough to win it as Cory Clarke did!
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Abe has some big moves, which I feel like are always a nice thing to have in this tournament. It’s easy to start thinking about the next match and get caught sleeping.
Agreed, everyone is hungry and dangerous you cannot get caught sleeping at all.
If I remember correctly I was impressed with the athleticism of the Air force 285 ater he won Big 12 he did a Kip up. Never seen such a big guy do that. Can any of you do it?
P.S. She has such good form doesn't she?
P.S. She has such good form doesn't she?
At this point all I really want is to see Marinelli & Kemerer standing on top of the mountain Saturday night. Going to be heartbroken for those guys if they don’t get it done. Wrestle well and the team scores will take care of itself. Go Hawks!
i actually surprised myself and have him placing. his backside path fell perfectly for him, but there is also a very likely scenario where it's disastrous and has dakota geer in his first or second consi match.
I'm not in great shape and certainly not uber athletic and I can do that still - I'm sure there are lots of current HWTs in college wrestling (not just D1) who can do this and other acrobatics. People often underestimate how quick, nimble and flexible the athletes are at the upper weights.If I remember correctly I was impressed with the athleticism of the Air force 285 ater he won Big 12 he did a Kip up. Never seen such a big guy do that. Can any of you do it?
P.S. She has such good form doesn't she?
I feel he’s gotten away from that too much…. When he first came in he was putting guys on their heads often. Go big early and often Abe!
This is where I’m at as well…. Be nice to see ADS get another W over RBY also. Everything else is gravy for me.
Might be a low seed, but I see him beating Janek and Teemer to make the semis against Deakin.
Teemer took 3rd last season and is dangerous and O’Conner has a really banged up knee as far as I have seen.
Agree. I get the impression guys tend to get muffled into a style of positioning and hand fighting which while important I feel could be done in a less restrictive way.
True but I never felt concerned for Bull against Hamiti. Only thing that could've won it for him was some funky counter off a mistake by Bull.
If Bull can finish his shots early, then he's good to go.
You could be totally right, I just like O'Connor's grit and gas tank. Crazy he is at #11 for sure.
To be the best you have to beat the best, amiright?
That said, is there an explanation as to why ADS was seeded #5?
I have not read all 3 pages.......
Like others I don't mind Austin with the 5th seed, but I don't see any logical reason why he is not the 3rd. Really kind of baffles me.
I haven't seen the numbers for seeding comparison but VT and ASU guys won conference and had a better winning %. Maybe that was enough. If Austin didn't make RPI criteria that would hurt too. We need to do a better job of meeting all the seeding criteria if all possible.
Easier schedule, but they beat the guys in front of them so it’s not the wrestler’s fault.
Neither have I, just have a hard time wrapping my head around the logic of the returning 3rd place from the 2021 National tournament with only 3 tight losses to the #1 & #2 guy in the country who are also the returning National Champ & Runner up, being the 5th seed.
Totally agree... and for an example, look at Gomez
One thing we can’t factor into our predictions/hopes is the unknown (ie injuries). Iowa has already fulfilled a double quota for the season but who knows what will happen to the other teams along the way. Plus, Tonya Harding could always make an appearance when someone’s not looking.
Ads was behind them in RPI as well. Eierman, Murin and Kem did not qualify for RPI which is a loss in that part of the seeding.
I really don't know what to expect in a week. The Hawks are so banged up it is unreal and banged up at almost all the title contender bonus point scoring weights to boot. A team title would be truly remarkable to be honest this year for Iowa. I'm hoping for a couple finalists for the good guys, but the odds are stacked against most of the Hawks. Just seems like this year wasn't meant to be. I hope our guys go out and wrestle loose and leave it all out there. They shouldn't have any pressure other than what they put on themselves as nobody is giving them a chance. Luck has not been on our side, so lets go out and make our own luck in a week. So many guys will never wrestle folkstyle in an Iowa singlet on this team after next weekend and that is really sad to think about for me. Truly a remarkable senior class that came back for another year that hasn't gone anything like they were hoping I'm sure. Maybe they can change that next weekend.
Carl was complaining about Berge's seed saying the system is flawed. The biggest flaw in Berge getting his seed is Carl not putting him in a position to meet some of the seeding criteria and that's on him. Bringing rentals in for second semester is probably going to leave you short on matches. To me the only tweek would be weighting guys who wrestle better people more than current so people can't go all season wrestling cupcakes and still be #2 seed.
The fact that Shultz got the 2 spot while ducking Cass and Kerk this season is messed up. Along with the fact his best win is Wood.
perhaps the time away allowed Gomez to understand a bit more objectively that he has very little to lose by going all out on high-risk high reward attacks - there were literally no expectations on him coming into this season
ADS has been getting stuffed regularly on his low singles. He doesn't best either if he can't finish..Maybe not grounded in reality, but i think ADS has a better shot of beating RBY than Fix.. RBY (somehow) is doing less and less each match.. ADS outwrestled him for 6:54 of each of their last two matches.
I wonder if ADS will get votes for MOW when he beats RBY and Fix to win the title... Of course, it is probably Cass's to lose after beating Wood, Schultz/Parris and then shocking the world against GS
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