New Overtime Exec Order Coming

[coffhawk]

There is no "Until the job is done" if you have to be there a set number of hours.


Doesn't really matter in the long run. People will just vote themselves other people's money. The republicans have zero ideas to stop the wealth gap. "Tough shit" is a slogan that will not get a lot of votes. The middle class is shrinking. Seems that some don't even want to help those willing to work 50+ hours a week doing fast food.

I am all for less government spending and lowering taxes but it boggles the mind that the right can't even help those who have shown the willingness to help themselves.

You are wrong. There are many ways to shrink the wealth gap. One of the best would be to do away with SS and allow workers to put away their money for retirement, and then let them pass it on to the next generation. SS is one of the greatest wealth killers there is. Poor, low income, and minorities pay into it, but have a shorter life expectancy, so they collect less, and have nothing to pass along to their heirs. Take a system like Australia, which is a government supervised private retirement system, and allows people to build and keep wealth.

Another good way would be to drastically reduce or eliminate the corporate income tax. Study after study shows that almost all of the benefit to such a tax cut would go to the workers of the company.

We need to create more opportunity and incentive to work and save, not more government handouts and redistribution. These have never worked and never will.

 

[coffhawk]

Fully agree.

That is the idea around a salaried employee. They have a variable schedule, because they do variable work.

Sometimes I pull a 55 hour work week because the job calls for it. Sometimes it can be 36 or less if I have kids activities, or such I want to attend. The business I work for cycles with the construction season, so I know that I am going to put in longer hours part of the year, but then I'll hedge them back the other part.

My personal execution, efficiency and time management skills play a huge part in my schedule too.(they also help me compete)

I understood the job coming in and negotiated a salary that I was comfortable with.

I don't understand why you would accept a job where you neither understood the hours expectation, nor the compensation. That's just dense.

Good post. Also, in most of these jobs the employee has more flexibility than an hourly worker. Most do not punch a time clock and have rigid rules on lunch breaks, etc. If you need to take a couple of hours for a dentist appointment, you simply work it in your schedule. The OT rules were simply not intended to apply to these positions.

 

[Run&Blade]

I would love to have all my social security back. But it isn't going to happen. No party would even dare say that.

I would like to see the irs removed and just have a flat tax on gross income. Remove the corporate tax would probably be good also.

Problem is the right doesn't take bold steps when they have power. They just play the same game as the left but instead of bad social programs they do ridiculous military spending and act like nothing can be cut.

I would close a butt load of foreign and domestic installations.

 

[FranklinHawk]

How often do you wear out your kneepads?

OK Internet tough guy, just how do you define the "worth" of an employee if it's not market value. I'm guessing you won't have an answer (or one that is worth a crap) either.

 

[wanderer85]

Almost sorry to dredge this thread up. Not looking to resume the pi$$ing contest. Just a couple questions as I am trying to determine impact on my company:

• We have salaried/exempt sales folks that make less than this threshhold. In general, they don't work more than 40 hours/week. The problem is that they are pretty much always available to answer a phone call or an email. Is there a legal/practical way to limit them to 40 hours/week?
  
• We also have non-exempt hourly workers today. They clock in and out upon arriving at and departing from work. Some make less than that amount/some more. But in each case, they (not by company mandate) answer emails after hours. How does that get affected? Maybe not at all, but aren't they entitled to be paid somehow for that time?

Is there a way for employers to simply say company policy is no more than 40 hours/week and not pay OT?

 

[22*43*51]

Almost sorry to dredge this thread up. Not looking to resume the pi$$ing contest. Just a couple questions as I am trying to determine impact on my company:

• We have salaried/exempt sales folks that make less than this threshhold. In general, they don't work more than 40 hours/week. The problem is that they are pretty much always available to answer a phone call or an email. Is there a legal/practical way to limit them to 40 hours/week?
  
• We also have non-exempt hourly workers today. They clock in and out upon arriving at and departing from work. Some make less than that amount/some more. But in each case, they (not by company mandate) answer emails after hours. How does that get affected? Maybe not at all, but aren't they entitled to be paid somehow for that time?

Is there a way for employers to simply say company policy is no more than 40 hours/week and not pay OT?

I would assume that your non-exempt should already be getting OT for scheduled time after 40. I would like to think that any time they put in that is not scheduled would still be considered initiative and you wouldn't be liable for paying OT that is not scheduled/reported.

I would also assume that your exempt employees would have to get over the pay-threshold, or stay under the hours threshold.

You can always choose not to allow overtime hours if your customer demand allows it and you can find employees that don't want it.

 

[joelbc1]

You are wrong. There are many ways to shrink the wealth gap. One of the best would be to do away with SS and allow workers to put away their money for retirement, and then let them pass it on to the next generation. SS is one of the greatest wealth killers there is. Poor, low income, and minorities pay into it, but have a shorter life expectancy, so they collect less, and have nothing to pass along to their heirs. Take a system like Australia, which is a government supervised private retirement system, and allows people to build and keep wealth.

Another good way would be to drastically reduce or eliminate the corporate income tax. Study after study shows that almost all of the benefit to such a tax cut would go to the workers of the company.

We need to create more opportunity and incentive to work and save, not more government handouts and redistribution. These have never worked and never will.

Another way MIGHT be to lift the ceiling off of SS taxes...........tax ALL earnings. Every-single-cent of Everyone's- earnings.

 

[Greenway4Prez]

5 mil people is the max number affected. That is if they aren't limited to 40 hour a week roles as it is. In the private sector you are not going to find too many roles that are salaried and below 50k.(At least that has been my personal experience.)

How does this work for the public sector? Does this mean all teachers are going to get time and a half after 40?

Or, would their CBA keep them from this type of benefit?

Honest question.

The golf industry is plumb full of salaried people (assistant superintendents and assistant pros) making less than 50K, but that's merely one example. What keeps people working these jobs is that the payoff for getting a Head Super/Head Pro position is quite substantial.

I would imagine the entire service industry is chock full of people getting a low salary.