I don’t have ill will towards you. It’s just based on your absurd comment most US Presidents would be guilty of insurrection.
NEW POLL: 54% of Americans Approve of Colorado Kicking Trump Off Ballot — Including a Quarter of Republicans
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I‘ve stated this same concept in other threads, but the potential hazard in our constitutional system of governance is that all the safeguards / guardrails within are reliant on the assumption that our elected officials have the capacity to act in a dignified and honorable way that acknowledges truth and works for the betterment of the country rather than their own political power.
Today's republican party is “stress testing” this concept like never before.
Based on not securing the border? No they wouldn't
Biden is deliberately not securing tge bitser against an unprecented invasion of migration. It is a dangerous dereliction of duty and absolutely an insurrection of our country to not just allow but encourage this many people to cross our southern border. The actions of this administration is an attack on this country
One more time: You can object to how Biden is handling the border, but don't call it "insurrection."
If you think "insurrection" is the correct word, please explain your reasoning.
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SCOTUS will take what I think is a fairly weak “out” - the President isn’t AN officer language - and use it to overturn Colorado S.C. decision.
Personally, I think someone like trump is precisely WHY that amendment was adopted and it certainly should apply to the POTUS. But they will want to take the out and avoid chaos.
I think they’re pushing the legislation angle. Kagan asked “The question before us today is why should a single state get to determine who gets to be POTUS?” This inconsistency among the states is why we got rid of the articles of confederation.
Obviously who gets to be president is and should be a federal question. But the constitution left the conduct of elections to the states. So arguably who gets to be on the ballot should rest with the states. As I believe it already does in all states.
Is that asking for a shit show, as the questioning by some justices suggests - with the potential for dueling tit-for-tat politically-based disqualifications?
And yet . . . states now set the qualifications for who can be on ballots. Paperwork, signatures, filing fees, deadlines, and more. Candidates tick off the boxes and affirm things like residency, age, and more. What's wrong with one of the boxes they have to tick off being a sworn statement that the candidate didn't advocate, participate in, or aid an insurrection to block the peaceful transfer of power?
Then again, if a state like Mississippi opted to kick Trump off the ballot, a million people there might learn how to write just to write Trump in.
What happens if Trump isn't on the ballot and wins anyway? Like Biden did in the NH primary.
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While my snarky Mississippi comment above was intended as humor, if the Rs actually think about it, they could pass out self-inking rubber stamps with Trump's name, just to be safe. I certainly would in their shoes.
Until he is criminally convicted of insurrection he should remain on the ballot.
Once he is convicted he should be in prison and ineligible
Once he is convicted he should be in prison and ineligible
I wonder how many of those polled actually understand the language and real issues in the poll. I'm guessing it's about the same number as on this forum.
A new poll conducted by YouGov America found that 54% of Americans — and even 24% of Republicans — approved of the Colorado Supreme Court’s decision to kick former President Donald Trumpoff of its 2024 presidential primary ballot.
The court released its opinion holding that Trump was ineligible to reprise his role as president because of the 14th Amendment’s clause barring insurrectionists from holding office on Tuesday evening, concluding that the evidence brought to it “established that President Trump engaged in insurrection” by attempting to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.
While some anti-Trump stalwarts have praised the decision, many have criticized it as an attack on democracy and act of political gamesmanship. But early polling shows that a majority of Americans support the opinion. According to the YouGov survey of 3,492 respondents, 54% of the country approve of the Court’s conclusion and 38% strongly approve of it. A combined 35%, meanwhile, either strongly or somewhat disapprove of it.
NEW POLL: 54% of Americans Approve of Colorado Kicking Trump Off Ballot — Including a Quarter of Republicans!
Fifty-four percent of Americans -- and even 24% of Republicans -- approved of the Colorado Supreme Court's decision to kick Donald Trump off of its 2024 ballot.www.mediaite.com
We don't need formal conviction to know insurrection was encouraged and supported by Trump.
That said, I'm inclined to agree that he should be on the ballot - simply because people should be able to vote for their choice, and Trump is clearly the choice of many.
For any other crime, they would still be able to run and serve. Insurrection is different. Which is to say that he could be on the ballot and win, but not be allowed to serve. If people want to vote for him anyway, knowing that, that should be up to them.
So . . . what happens if Trump wins and the Senate or Harris refuse to transfer power to him on insurrection grounds?
Bad thread for my man Menace.
I took a rare L on this one. Enough to come back for my crow. Enjoy it though. Doesn’t happen much.
