LG,RK,JW,CJF,JT. Can Fran be a coach first and sit his son? It took him awhile before he finally started JBo.
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I just replayed the game (DVR'd it on YTT). I was pleased to watch JT in the second half. I enjoy his quickness and defensive tenacity. Because he's so fast driving to the basket, he draws contact, whether he finishes or not. He gets down court very quickly on a breakaway. I saw around four drives to the basket through the lane and one was so fast that he sliced through untouched.
I'd like to see Joe T there by the B1G season. He needs some more coaching and experience. He plays a little out of control. But he has a good upside, I believe... Looking forward to seeing him develop.
Hoping that Pemsl shakes off the rust and brings it. Nunge needs to be more aggressive. Like RK.
Connor is an ok SF that is a decent passer, being forced into the PG spot. He's a backup at either position.
No, this team is build around his sons getting the most playing time. When does he get mad at them like his other players? And when starters are benched, guess who’s still in? Reminds me of a fifth grade coach playing his own kids while better ones sit.
Agree 100%. It won't happen because Fran has decided Connor is the starting PG and that isn't going to change IMO. Forgot the time in the second half but Touissant took it end to end and finished splitting two defenders just outside the 3 point line. That is what a PG should be able to do.
Literally anybody but Nunge. Start Till over him and it’s an improvement.
JW, CJ, and Luka are solid. PG and 4 are problems. Almost have to start Kriener at this point and get Touissant in sooner. He will make some freshman mistakes but the kid is really athletic and that alone counts for something on both ends. JBo seems questionable and who knows what Pemsl and Nunge can provide. Work Evelyn into the mix and go small if it makes sense. Having a couple guys who can penetrate will get CJ and JW some looks they likely won't get on their own. Connor can flex positions as well. Kriener and Garza are good pick and pop guys so run some of that action to get defenders out of the paint.
I never realized that Patrick was THAT skinny until I saw him last night against other college players. He needs to redshirt. Not sure what Nunge does in practice as he looked lost last night. I hope they can turn it around and I am usually very optimistic but last night was perhaps the worst performance during Fran's tenure.
Too late for PMac to redshirt. It would have helped him for certain. And if this season turns out to be a dumpster fire, then the opportunity was missed... Unless he can fake an injury.
Not sure what is up with Nunge. Hope this is not all we get out of him.
Toussaint, Fredrick, Wieskamp as the primary perimeter combination. I'm skeptical that Bohannon, who's athletically challenged at his position when completely healthy, can return to action this season.
I'm not in favor of a Garza and Kriener combo for large numbers of minutes. Kriener is better afoot than Garza, but both are significantly below the athleticism needed. One big, lumbering player on the court at a time unless the opponent has a similar lineup. Or, they are going to completely change offensive philosophy and slow the game WAY down.
I'm not in favor of a Garza and Kriener combo for large numbers of minutes. Kriener is better afoot than Garza, but both are significantly below the athleticism needed. One big, lumbering player on the court at a time unless the opponent has a similar lineup. Or, they are going to completely change offensive philosophy and slow the game WAY down.
I don’t think redshirting P Mac helps at all. He’s already old for his class, he’s not some inner city kid who finally has access to quality a nutrition and weight program. He’s had access to all that for years and still couldn’t gain weight.
Patrick will likely never put on significant weight given his medical history....
he did look good last night. Very quick and athletic. When he drove and dished to open man it was beauty
I have to disagree on all points... Because of his medical condition, Patrick has to remember/force himself to eat. He & his parents set a target weight for him to play this year, otherwise they were going to make him redshirt(his choice, of course). He made that weight, but it took a lot of persistence.
So, yes he can gain weight. It just takes time, training, eating a set diet and lifting. Lots.
His age does not matter, except that he will not reach his physical peak until years after he graduates. He is NOT Chris Weinke who started at Florida State at age 25(which was within a year or three of his physical peak)... Every year he can extent his Hawkeye career is an added benefit.... His weight does matter. And another year would have been extremely helpful.
Now, the question is - does his playing this season help the team enough to justify not having that extra year...? At this moment the answer is a resounding no. He should have definitely redshirted(Especially if this turns out to be a down year). He will be a much better player as a 4th year junior & 5th year senior, than he would have been as a true junior & senior. Just as Pemsl, CJF, Connor & Nunge will be.
That is fact.
So, yes he can gain weight. It just takes time, training, eating a set diet and lifting. Lots.
His age does not matter, except that he will not reach his physical peak until years after he graduates. He is NOT Chris Weinke who started at Florida State at age 25(which was within a year or three of his physical peak)... Every year he can extent his Hawkeye career is an added benefit.... His weight does matter. And another year would have been extremely helpful.
Now, the question is - does his playing this season help the team enough to justify not having that extra year...? At this moment the answer is a resounding no. He should have definitely redshirted(Especially if this turns out to be a down year). He will be a much better player as a 4th year junior & 5th year senior, than he would have been as a true junior & senior. Just as Pemsl, CJF, Connor & Nunge will be.
That is fact.
If JBo is going to play (however many games that may be) why is he not starting? If his mins are to be limited, then give him early break. Also, we can a have a ‘swing starter’ depending on big or small matchups.
Small - JBo, JT, CJF, JW, LG
Big - JBo, JT, JW, RK, LG
Small - JBo, JT, CJF, JW, LG
Big - JBo, JT, JW, RK, LG
Small I'd have the same. Maybe Pemsl for LG....or maybe not.
I'd have CJF in the big lineup. Along with JT (the dude can rebound).... JT, CJF, JW,RK, LG
I'd have CJF in the big lineup. Along with JT (the dude can rebound).... JT, CJF, JW,RK, LG
Not sure I care who actually starts but the one thing that is going to help this team is if LG can kick it out. Luka has wonderful touch and moves down low but 1 on 3 isn't gonna get it done. If Luka even thinks a little bit about it by kicking it out will only make his life easier down low.
If I were coach Fran I would be starting Joe T. Otherwise, its all about playing smarter LG.
If I were coach Fran I would be starting Joe T. Otherwise, its all about playing smarter LG.
Wasn't that something?? Unbelievable really that at this stage of his career he doesn't get it or see it. Watch film for 5 minute...s and I would hope he gets it..
Because of the way Depaul came out swinging like they did, perhaps he held the ball trying to do too much by himself. Just a theory.
That isn't true at all. You obviously don't watch Fran during the game. I've seen him light Conner's Ass several times already this season, and I can tell you NO ONE gets it more severely from the any coach then his own kid.
I DVR'd it on YTT. I imagine if you have BTN+ that it would be in there.
Back when I had BTN+ I could replay all the games including exhibition games. Didn't know if anything changed.
when a teams starting point guard gets hurt most coaches decide that the backup is the starter.
Bullshit. I saw him yell at Connor during the exhibition game after a bad TO.
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I am probably ok with some clown car rotations as Fran is still experimenting but he better start tightening up soon. Heavy minutes from Connor, Nunge and Pemsl is not what the Dr. Ordered.
Agree, they're both 5s so they don't work that well together.
Garza will almost always be on the block so that leaves Kriener outside where he turns it over allot.
Rather see Pemsl or go small with Wieskamp.
Kriener and Garza played very well together last year in Big Ten play.
Most coaches would play the most talented player. If that wasn't obvious to Fran after all the practices, it should be crystal clear after the DePaul game. 19-2 and Connor did nothing remotely close to creating or attacking the basket. The loss was not on him by any stretch, but he was completely ineffective at what Touissant excels at. Touissant is going to make mistakes that Connor won't, but he will also plays Connor won't.
Move Connor off the ball to accentuate what he can do and get Touissant more PT at PG. Who has more up side at PG by getting more PT now? If you think it's CM you are more delusional than I thought.
Have Touissant start at PG and Kriener at the 4. JT may take his lumps at times this year but will pay dividends down the road. Nice to see a quick athletic PG for first time in 4 years. Connor is nothing more than a backup. He's a good option to come in and play 10-15 a game but he is not a quality starting Big 10 PG. Kriener showed when Cook was hurt and last year he's a good big. Also nice to have a senior leader out there.
If I'm JBo I'd be taking a red shirt and not waste my senior year on what looks to be a NIT at best team. As others said Patrick come conference play or vs quality non conf. does not belong on the floor minus spot minutes. Liability on D and the boards. Lastly Fran has to shorten the rotation. We played 11 against Depaul. Fine to do it vs Oral Roberts tonight not against quality teams. Fran's sub rotations always seems to drive me nuts.
If I'm JBo I'd be taking a red shirt and not waste my senior year on what looks to be a NIT at best team. As others said Patrick come conference play or vs quality non conf. does not belong on the floor minus spot minutes. Liability on D and the boards. Lastly Fran has to shorten the rotation. We played 11 against Depaul. Fine to do it vs Oral Roberts tonight not against quality teams. Fran's sub rotations always seems to drive me nuts.
Newsflash:
Lineups need to be adjusted to counter a specific opponent's strengths and take advantage of his weaknesses. Different opponents will frequently dictate different line ups.
Lineups need to be adjusted to counter a specific opponent's strengths and take advantage of his weaknesses. Different opponents will frequently dictate different line ups.
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