Counting "top 100's".....
good point.... we all know that there's no difference between a #93 and a #1, right?
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Counting "top 100's".....
good point.... we all know that there's no difference between a #93 and a #1, right?
OK, if this tells anything?
OK, if this tells us anything? It tells us once again something is very wrong! "gave money to only 14 wrestlers??? How in GODS name???
So if we cut threw the Happy valley horse shit, and take a close look at it. Somethings just do not add up or make any sense.
I will argue that 197 is the hardest weight class to fill, some will say Heavy, other 125. In any case, i believe there is no argument that these are the top 3. F*** state next year, has 2 guys in each of these weight classes, who are "full ride" types of guys. That is SIX, rby, lee, brooks, strocci, 149, 157, other incoming top recruits, and I am not sure whom else but another 25-30 guys. ALL going there, for 5-7 years at $50K++ a year, and giving up mom and dads $$$ to do it. AMAZING.
Now, according to the wanna be wrestling fans in happy place. "they go there because they can win." They are willing to go there and give up money because they know it is the place to win." Horse shit like this!
125 is a weight class that the great beal and the lil kittens have had a lot of trouble I think everyone would agree right? Furthermore, i believe it would be impossible to argue, where a 125 pound wrestler would wanna go, if he "wanted to win!" IOWA by a hundred miles would be that place.
So how is it once again, that they loose one of the best wrestlers, suriano, then sign another #1 Teasdale(and STOP with the shit that took place in college, he was a 4X PA champion), then he leaves, sign another #1 type(IOWA kid, name escapes me right now) He leaves, sign yet another top kid, Howard, he does not do as well as planned, Sign yet ANOTHER kid(this years high end recruit)....... and it just keeps going......
according to the band wagon ("we are-jerk offs) fans.. "the recruits see this" This is what they keep repeating. Like this year when the team lost but they had 4 champs, "the recruits see this!?!?!" How do they NOT see 125 on the cowardly lions team as a hell hole?????? a bunch of years now, a bunch of top recruits, a bunch of problems, transfers...... Yet, one after the other. they sign on???
Show me any team, at any weight, that ever had anything close to this taking place. It is like Spencer Lee leaving and the HAWKS signing a #1 type kid to fill his shoes EVERY year for the next 4 years and counting.
OH, do not forget that the recruits saw IOWA dominate for the last 2 years! They also see them as the favorites for a threepeat. I will wait to see how all these top 10, #1 ranked, cadet world champions, etc.... come here for nothing.
So please stop with all the unbelievable Bullshit!!! Everyone knows they are using the slushy fund to pay off whoever they have to. It has been shown with the expenses shown in this thread, and the one which showed the $660K "camp expenses." It was very obvious when both Tom Ryan, and tom Brands said something about it, and alluded to the fact that they were concerned about the clubs being effected by what these asshats are doing!
Stop being a bunch of bitches and understand dudes want to wrestle for one of the greatest wrestlers and now coaches ever. Eff the slush fund. It’s Carl Sanderson they want to learn from. Is that dumb? Jealously is ugly. Iowa has to be better,. We all know this last couple years were just a lull before PSU takes over. I hope I’m wrong, but....
"Iowa has to be better"
Okay Sans so is it gonna be you or your hot wife donating 6 million dollars to be better than PSU?
So much salt in this thread.
If anyone was ever trying to convince the world that HR wasn’t full of a lot of conspiracy theorists, this thread ain’t it.
If anyone was ever trying to convince the world that HR wasn’t full of a lot of conspiracy theorists, this thread ain’t it.
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I understand that it’s uncomfortable to look inwards and ask “why would a top recruit not want to come to my favorite program?”.....but it’s a pretty immature defense mechanism to continuously fall back on “durr but Barl Sanduskyson has a slush fund!!!!!!”
Well first off....those recruits aren't nearly as dumb as you seem to be. They know that at this point, Iowa has broken the PSU cycle of winning team national titles one whole year and can MAYBE do it a second time if PSU stops improving their lineup this summer. The desperation in your writing is almost embarrassing....my face is red for you when you try claiming that Iowa is looking to 3peat. No wonder you are the biggest "PSU Cheats" crybaby on this forum. You do realize that if the 2020 season wasn't abruptly ended, Iowa wouldnt even be in the conversation next season right? Are you really so dumb (or desperate...haven't figured that out yet) to not see that without Covid and the loss of the 2020 tourney there wouldn't even be a 2022 tournament for Lee, Kem, Marinelli, Desanto,Young,Eirman...anyone I'm missing?
Secondly...and this one may sting a little.... Iowa did win the team championship but those recruits you speak of saw 4...I repeat (not 3 peat) ...4 PSU wrestlers crowned champions. Iowa wins and theres PSU stealing the show yet again ! Cuz as everyone knows, its those individual titles that a wrestler cherishes first. And it was PSU pumping them out...not Iowa.
Go to twitter, REAL Hawk fans laugh at these idiots here and in no way want to be associated with this forum. Took me a while to learn that the Hawkeye fanbase isn't really a bunch of bellyaching crybabies HR makes them out to be..
Look at this guy Richard(everyone calls him Dick) IOWA- ran away with it 2 years back. they destroyed everyone and made you wussies look pathetic!!! You had a better team then also. We again crushed you at both B1Gs and NCAAs this past year. Doing so with a line up, on paper, not close to what the great bael had to work with!Well first off....those recruits aren't nearly as dumb as you seem to be. They know that at this point, Iowa has broken the PSU cycle of winning team national titles one whole year and can MAYBE do it a second time if PSU stops improving their lineup this summer. The desperation in your writing is almost embarrassing....my face is red for you when you try claiming that Iowa is looking to 3peat. No wonder you are the biggest "PSU Cheats" crybaby on this forum. You do realize that if the 2020 season wasn't abruptly ended, Iowa wouldnt even be in the conversation next season right? Are you really so dumb (or desperate...haven't figured that out yet) to not see that without Covid and the loss of the 2020 tourney there wouldn't even be a 2022 tournament for Lee, Kem, Marinelli, Desanto,Young,Eirman...anyone I'm missing?
Secondly...and this one may sting a little.... Iowa did win the team championship but those recruits you speak of saw 4...I repeat (not 3 peat) ...4 PSU wrestlers crowned champions. Iowa wins and theres PSU stealing the show yet again ! Cuz as everyone knows, its those individual titles that a wrestler cherishes first. And it was PSU pumping them out...not Iowa.
Your BullShit is ridiculous honestly and everyone sees right through it. You can not defend ANY of the points I made. In a court of law, I would make you look like a monkey! If anything, the top recruits would have to see your team under-performing badly. A top guy at every weight and still losing???
IF is a funny word. Like IF you aunt had Balls(she probable does in your case) she would be your Uncle! What I present here is all fact. NO, if covid did not happen, because it did happen. Our guys as well as all other underclassmen, Had the year returned by the NCAAs. What is funny is, how you horses asses bring up our guys getting an "extra " year. While it is common practice in "we are- fun valley", gray shirts, walk years, medical years, deferred enrollment, and who knows what else the magic bald karl will come up with???
ALL possible because of the slushy fund pal. NO ones parents are walking away from free rides to go to pussy cat land AND paying for 2-3 EXTRA years on top. You Dick are a MORON!!!!
LOL at the clown going out of his way to not acknowledge 2020 when Iowa was even better than PSU than in 2021. It may not have been "official NCAA" but clearly proven to be better in 2020 and 2021, two whole years. Then the we had 4 champs consolation prize talk. If roles were reversed Iowa would be happy for the 4 guys but mad as hell they didn't get the job done to win a team title. That's why Carl with the most $$$ and best recruits had to resort to "improving" his lineup with ringers from other teams because he knows he was second best two years in a row and can't take it that even with everything in his favor already he failed to develop a better team. Just like at ISU he failed to develop a better team, he was the recruiter who put those teams together and had more influence in the room than Bobby Douglas, proven by the fact he sent Bobby packing. Then after not getting it done as head guy he he sent ISU packing for a place where $$$ could make the difference.Well first off....those recruits aren't nearly as dumb as you seem to be. They know that at this point, Iowa has broken the PSU cycle of winning team national titles one whole year and can MAYBE do it a second time if PSU stops improving their lineup this summer. The desperation in your writing is almost embarrassing....my face is red for you when you try claiming that Iowa is looking to 3peat. No wonder you are the biggest "PSU Cheats" crybaby on this forum. You do realize that if the 2020 season wasn't abruptly ended, Iowa wouldnt even be in the conversation next season right? Are you really so dumb (or desperate...haven't figured that out yet) to not see that without Covid and the loss of the 2020 tourney there wouldn't even be a 2022 tournament for Lee, Kem, Marinelli, Desanto,Young,Eirman...anyone I'm missing?
Secondly...and this one may sting a little.... Iowa did win the team championship but those recruits you speak of saw 4...I repeat (not 3 peat) ...4 PSU wrestlers crowned champions. Iowa wins and theres PSU stealing the show yet again ! Cuz as everyone knows, its those individual titles that a wrestler cherishes first. And it was PSU pumping them out...not Iowa.
Yeah, like Desanto, Eireman and Lugo, 30% of the lineup. Blinders?
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To be fair, Eierman and Lugo were never in the lineup at the same time, so not quite 30% of the lineup
Good one jagoff. Non AA non blue chip recruits that Iowa developed in two of the cases and a stud who completely shocked Brands when he told him he wanted to come to Iowa. Compares well to suspended NCAA finalist Long who he rented for a title. #1 overall recruit kerk and NCAA finalist Dean. You also had number of other transfers over the years similar or even more college proven than AD and Lugo that didn't do shit. The other teams not backed by the giant club fund would be expected to have to utilize transfers to compete not the superpower.
Thank you, you’re right. I keep losing perspective I suppose. It’s important to remember these forums are not always representative of the fan base at large.
The both of you should go to twitter or even your own forum. I know I personally would be less antagonistic towards PSU and Carl if PSU people were not always over here, I'm guessing it would be the same for others. I never once talked shit on your board. Brands get called retarded monkeys over there, laughs galore about loser Marinelli who can't win at NCAA etc etc. Even Willie throws professionalism out the window there.
“I make bad posts because you came here.”
That’s the explanation you’re going with? Yeah?
Is it intermission yet? I need another popcorn and blue slushie refill.
I know it's pretty uncomfortable to look inwards and ask did my precious University coverup and deny for 15 years one of it's great coaches hid a terrible crime.I understand that it’s uncomfortable to look inwards and ask “why would a top recruit not want to come to my favorite program?”.....but it’s a pretty immature defense mechanism to continuously fall back on “durr but Barl Sanduskyson has a slush fund!!!!!!”
Seams pretty immature to go to another board and defend that University and not acknowledge that same University would ever be dirty again and that anyone outside happy valley who has a different view is a conspiracy theorist.
I remember Royce Alger talking about having a full ride offer to UNI and going to Iowa for around 40%. The money is not the biggest issue for some and he was dirt poor at the time. I wonder what Eireman got? I will bet it was not very much. He wanted to go to Iowa and he did.
My son recently went thru the recruiting process and money was not the biggest issue or concern. He could have went to at least 3 schools for cheaper than the one he chose.
I do not know if PSU is cheating, but I can see why people want to go there, just like I can see why guys transfer to Iowa for very little money.
His concerns were - what program had the culture he wanted, what were his chances of making the starting line up, did the coaches value him and want to develop him or was he just going to be a body, how big was the school, how he related to the coaches. All the money did was confirm to him that they were serious enough to offer something. The amount was not that important.
Does anyone think Spenser Lee went to Iowa because of the money he was offered? He may have been offered a full scholarship, but he may have gotten less. I would guess that most super studs who want to wrestle in the top 5 schools are getting 75% at the most.
I am honestly surprised that the teams have only 14-18 guys on scholarship. That means over half the kids are there for free. Think about that for a moment. They have a genuine love of the sport. If the non starters love the sport that much, how much do you think the starters love it. Money is not driving the recruiting success of the Iowas, or Okie States, or PSU's. IMHO
lookleft....
precisely. great, unbiased post.
precisely. great, unbiased post.
The PSU fans tell us the RTC is a huge recruiting selling point. Are Varner, Taylor, Snyder, Nolf, Nickal, Zain, Gomez, Gilman, Cassar, et al. hanging around for free? How can these recruits go into mega debt and then hang around the NLWC for free? I understand how age group world freestyle champs might take a half scholarship, but these guy are hanging around Happy Valley until they're forty.
At some point the money enters the picture - no?
I mean, yeah, the NLWC athletes get paid, as do the HWC athletes. Not sure what your point is with this
I think money enters the picture for sure. That is how they get and keep good coaches and good athletes to train for the olympics etc. That definitely trickles down to getting the top high school prospects to come to your school. However, that is not to say they are cheating. To the rich go the spoils and right now PSU is/are the rich.
From a different perspective - how amazing is it that we have all these places where kids can get exposure to great wrestlers and mentors like they can now. There are so many RTCs with star athlete power and these young kids get to meet and learn from people they can elate to. I can only imagine how much of an impact that would have had on me as a youngster. There will always be one place that has more money and is the top dog for the time being, but overall, these are great times to be a high school wrestler. And the HWC is playing a big role in improving the lives and experiences of high school wrestlers. There is a lot to be proud of in Iowa City.
I just read through all 5 pages of this horseshit in one go and what triggered me the most was Willie calling John Belushi a "doofus" and misspelling "Blutarsky".
And Btw- Animal House was released in 1978 which makes it 43, not 50.
Show some God damn respect.
And Btw- Animal House was released in 1978 which makes it 43, not 50.
Show some God damn respect.
Why don't you search "retarded" on this wrestling forum, and then search "retarded" on the wrestling forum at BWI. Then google "class".
I followed your request. What exactly are you looking for?
The first page on Hawkeye Report starts on February 22. On BWI it starts on March 28th. I believe that shows a higher frequency of usage on BWI. Definitely not scientific. Let me know more criteria next time.
Class
1.
a set or category of things having some property or attribute in common and differentiated from others by kind, type, or quality.
"the accommodations were good for a hotel of this class"
pretty pumped this has devolved into a computer forensic investigation of the word 'retarded'.
drinks are on me.
drinks are on me.
I have been to many NCAA championships, I have met many Iowa fans, some of the fools on this board are not a direct reflection of the Iowa fan base. Most of the Iowa fans that I have met are great fans /people.
Penn State’s rise to the top is linked to one thing. It’s coach.
Have said this before, arguably PSU was one of the most underperforming teams in ncaa history, before it got the coach right. I guess you might argue that if the school had gotten its coach right in say the 1930s, your school might not have had anywhere near the championships that it has.
Thank god Carl took the last two years off so the Hawks could again rise to the top.
its only been 1 year, since everyone is allowed back you get your chance at that second ( I agree with that), However, I think that 2nd year may go a little different
I agree - if Penn State would had better teams they would have won more championships. I was just telling my neighbor that last night.
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