How does one celebrate covid season? Does the family sit around and sing Covid carols? Covid Tree oh Covid Tree...
No, we're not going to forget
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The experts and profiteers overhyped the threat covid presented to the average American.
They oversold the safety and efficacy of the jabby ("95% effective at preventing covid - side effects are mild and extremely rare!"
And the most delusional among them are still hard at work trying to keep the narrative alive. (Cough, Joe, cough, cough.) 😂
No; they didn't
>50,000+ young & middle-aged adults died from it.
(18-49 yr olds)
41.7k in 2021
12.9k in 2022
Almost 1500 this year
So, one more try: DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW 28% EFFECTIVENESS IMPACTS THE VIRUS SPREAD?
When they were doing 24-hour scrolls at the bottom of the tv screen, the estimates weren't in the thousands they were in the millions. This was absolutely over-hyped, panic driven, garbage. We got really lucky this lab creation wasn't overly lethal to those under 50. But then again, that's probably by design.
It's easy to understand how we were able to have a vaccine so quickly... the people who created the monster, created the "cure"
Which was why we shut down concerts, MLB, NBA, etc etc etc.
You claim "we're not going to forget", but you've completely forgotten.
NOW: ONE LAST TRY - DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS OF A VACCINE THAT PREVENTS 28% OF THOSE VACCINATED FROM BEING INFECTED?
Do you understand false advertising and medical fraud? Oh, crap...let me fix that.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND FALSE ADVERTISING AND MEDICAL FRAUD?
Go start a thread about "false advertising" if you want. I'm trying to establish whether or not you understand the impacts of "leaky", 28% effective vaccines on an outbreak.
And let's not forget those false positives.
Or the ever popular asymptomatic folks... people who had a virus so bad they had to take a test to know they were sick...
Go ahead and enlighten us on how those numbers are actually worth it for a cold for a chance of myocarditis, stroke, etc., etc..
You're now going to hang your hat on 28% efficacy? What happened to the 95% we were promised? I do have to hand it to you on this one, because you actually moved the goalpost as far as ever. Some of your fellow posters still haven't budged on their claims.
The demographics on symptoms never really changed much. 80% had either no symptoms or very mild symptoms. Severe illness continued to mostly affect people over 50 or those with at least 2 major comorbidities.
It's also true that hospitals were financially incented to list hospitalizations with COVID as a cause, even if the main cause was other illness(es).
Lmao. After one year and almost 900 posts you're all of a sudden trying to establish that 28% effective means something other than the covid shot is absolute garbage? 🤣
At least you can consider yourself a 2 percenter, dude. Almost NO ONE is falling for this crap anymore. Went from approximately 75% compliance in 2021, down to 17% last year and dropping even further now. People are waking up.
Over 7 million Americans have gotten updated COVID vaccines
More than 7 million Americans had rolled up their sleeves for the updated COVID-19 vaccines as of Wednesday, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, despite reports that some people are still finding it difficult to book vaccination appointments or find the shots at no cost.
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We're gonna go in Baby Steps here, so all of you can keep up. Got it?
Lesson #1: Effective Reproduction Number, R0
Q: Do you know and understand what the R0 number for an infectious disease is?
A: It is an estimate of the # of people that ONE infected individual will subsequently infect with the virus.
R0 >1: Disease spreads
R0 <1: Disease fizzles out
(R0 is really a variable, Rt which is the reproduction rate at any given time during an outbreak, and WILL go up and down. But R0 is the typical value for a previously unexposed population.)
Covid originally had an R0 of 5 or 6; flu is usually around 1.3.
Today, Covid might be more like 3, or between 2 and 3 for its relative infectiousness.
So, is this concept clear and understandable for you?
Yes OR No?
@Pinehawk
@MichaelKeller99
@KFsdisciple
@hawkeye54545
@Finance85
We're gonna go in Baby Steps here, so all of you can keep up. Got it?
Lesson #1: Effective Reproduction Number, R0
Q: Do you know and understand what the R0 number for an infectious disease is?
A: It is an estimate of the # of people that ONE infected individual will subsequently infect with the virus.
R0 >1: Disease spreads
R0 <1: Disease fizzles out
(R0 is really a variable, Rt which is the reproduction rate at any given time during an outbreak, and WILL go up and down. But R0 is the typical value for a previously unexposed population.)
Covid originally had an R0 of 5 or 6; flu is usually around 1.3.
Today, Covid might be more like 3, or between 2 and 3 for its relative infectiousness.
So, is this concept clear and understandable for you?
Yes OR No?
How much profit did Pfizer make from Covid vaccine?
The ongoing Covid-19 pandemic propelled pharmaceutical company Pfizer's earnings to a record $100 billion last year, almost $57 billion of which was driven by its vaccine and antiviral pill Paxlovid, the company reported Tuesday.Feb 2, 2023
Do you understand what was posted about R0?
Yes
Or
No?
@Pinehawk appears to be a "no".
If even the simplest concepts are beyond your grasp here, then you really won't understand any of what I'm posting to educate you on.
Joe is just flailing about and moving the goalposts constantly at this point. It’s sad.
I'll move on to Step 2 after others have weighed in.
I am not trying to "fool" you or anyone here; simply help you understand what "vaccine effectiveness" really means.
Pinehawk doesn't seem to have any interest in learning anything.
Joe, your RO predictions were always way off. We’ve been over it before.
You’re not convincing anyone anymore, because we all saw how things actually played out.
You’re not convincing anyone anymore, because we all saw how things actually played out.
What "goalposts" are being moved?
I've simply asked you if you understand what the R0 for a virus is.
This concept is important in understanding how vaccines impact the spread.
If you do not understand it, fine. Show us how stupid you are. A 5th grader could comprehend what I've posted for you.
I'm not referring to any "specific" R0; I'm asking you if you understand the concept.
The precise number for R0 is not relevant here.
Did you forget our 5 8+ page measles RO debate threads? Those vaccines are getting to your brain.
Joe I guess 98% of all Americans are just too dumb to understand that the benefits are so great they need to be rushing to their nearest vaccine outlet. Or, could it mean that the people are learning the truth and waking up to the phony doctors, regulatory agencies, media, the lies, deception, and propaganda? At what point will the people pulling the strings on all this lunacy re-think their strategy because at this point they're shooting themselves in the foot. Recommending vaccinating 6 mo. old babies with this? They're completely out of their minds.
The doctors better check themselves too. You can only sell people on snake oil for so long until even the dumbest people lose trust.
Measles has a far higher R0.
Pretty sure I explained all that to you before.
Seems like you forget things awfully quickly. Like Dory, in Finding Nemo...
Where did I say measles didn't have a far higher RO? As if I needed you to explain that. Get over yourself. I simply mentioned it because we've talked about RO ad nauseam.
How about this:
I'll use the R0= 3.0 for my calculations.
You pick what you want me to use for your number.
Understanding that flu R0 is about 1.3 (reasonably well-established), and Covid is understood to be quite a bit higher.
So, if you think my number is "too high", post what I should use to re-calculate based on your guess.
Pick something between, say, 1.5 and 3. (also noting that original Covid pandemic R0 was estimated at 5 to 6; we know it's lower now)
I'll run my numbers for both for you to see the results and compare.
Oh, but it certainly does seem like someone needs to explain these things to you.
In any case, is there anything in my R0 post you disagree with?
Quit trying to change the damned subject; just answer Joe's question.
Do you understand ANYTHING about R not, or nought?
Errr, crap. I mean do you understand ANYTHING about R nought, or not? 🤣
So, we'll take this as a "no", for you.
Why even bother trying to educate people Joe, your level of understanding is just superior to everyone else's. On literally everything. 😆
