Russia doesn't need to blow up the pipeline....just turn off the spigot. They literally lose that leverage by it getting blown up...
Doesn't make any sense.
Nord Stream Gas Leaks Raise Allegations of Sabotage
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Doesn't make any sense.
US intelligence predicted the invasion and was met by ridicule from the right. They predicted this and are now met with conspiracy theories from the right. The only thing consistent about the right is that they're always wrong.
It’s a possible pretext to WW3 but other than that, yeah, good to be king.
Lol “conspiracy theories”. SOMEBODY illegally blew up the pipeline that is at the heart of the war in Ukraine. It’s a conspiracy in one direction or another.
apparently they would have to pay huge penalties if they just turn off the spigot. i don’t know what’s true but there is motive for russia too.
Sarcasm.
I was mocking the typical response that ignores salient facts and dismiss unpleasant realities as ‘anti-American’ propaganda.
Too well, it appears.
There is no benefit to Russia in destroying the infrastructure they paid to build to sell what they produce.
There are several countries with easy to understand motives for destroying that infrastructure.
Russia wouldn't just throw away their only negotiating leverage for nothing. Europe would have been under tremendous pressure to make an agreement (to prevent the coming energy crisis). Don't believe anything on Twitter.
i don’t believe anything yet other than it was sabotaged by someone. it seems presumptuous to act as if there is no motive for russia. i wouldn’t trust anyone selling that theory.
My apology. I thought you were being serious.Sarcasm.
I was mocking the typical response that ignores salient facts and dismiss unpleasant realities as ‘anti-American’ propaganda.
Too well, it appears.
There is no benefit to Russia in destroying the infrastructure they paid to build to sell what they produce.
There are several countries with easy to understand motives for destroying that infrastructure.
So you don't trust what Joe said??? At a minimum he needs to come out and denounce what he said here or acknowledge that he followed through on his promise.
Biden says he'll shut down Nord Stream 2 pipeline if Russia further invades Ukraine
#shorts #UkraineRussia #NordStream2Pipeline #BidenPresident Biden says he plans to shut down the Nord Stream 2 pipeline in Germany if President Putin and Rus...
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Nord stream 2 hasn't been in operation since Russia invaded Ukraine. The part of Nord stream that was sabotaged was the pipeline connecting Norway to Poland. Not sure how much leverage the Russians had.
Huh? The Nord Stream 1 pipeline connects Russia to Germany.. Russia owns it and controls the spigot..
EU vows to protect energy network after 'sabotage' of Russian gas pipeline
The European Union on Wednesday promised a "robust" response to any intentional disruption of its energy infrastructure after saying it suspected sabotage was behind gas leaks discovered this week on subsea Russian pipelines to Europe.
One response lower on about costs they might be avoiding.
I will also say that we shouldn't expect crazy dictators to act rationally. I can see this being a dual purpose act. I am sure they did it understanding how quickly they can put it back in service. Putin wants Europe on edge over the prospect of a cold winter getting colder when a few more pipelines mysteriously blow up.
My bad. I read an article incorrectly. It was stating that it overshadowed the opening of the Baltic pipeline. Oops.Huh? The Nord Stream 1 pipeline connects Russia to Germany.. Russia owns it and controls the spigot..
EU vows to protect energy network after 'sabotage' of Russian gas pipeline
The European Union on Wednesday promised a "robust" response to any intentional disruption of its energy infrastructure after saying it suspected sabotage was behind gas leaks discovered this week on subsea Russian pipelines to Europe.www.reuters.com
Nordstream2 hadn’t been brought online yet when the war started.
The pipeline connecting Norway and Poland is entirely separate from Nordstream.
Yep. I said I was wrong twice already. You actually are correct for once.Nordstream2 hadn’t been brought online yet when the war started.
The pipeline connecting Norway and Poland is entirely separate from Nordstream.
Unnamed Pentagon official relied on to make sure WW3 doesn’t break out. What a mess.
That person might be cleared to speak on background. I’m pretty sure if the question is asked appropriately there will a full denial.
The White House should proactively put out a statement. But since we are the ones that blew it up they are not going to do that.
Someone blew up an underwater pipeline that is at the heart of a European land war. There is definitely a conspiracy in one direction or another.
Trump is everybody's top choice to negotiate a peace deal. Amirite?
I mean he negotiated the Afghan withdrawal and that went very well.
Kidding aside, what does Trump think he could do?
More to the point, does he really think both sides want a deal? Even if they do, will the people profiting from the war allow it?
According to who? All the international news I have read believes it is Russia. Where are you getting your news?
The shame is that we would deny it even if it were true. And everybody knows that.
So instead we are left asking who had motive and who had capability. The right questions, to be sure, but so far they haven't led to convincing answers.
More likely Putin asked Trump to help get him out of this mess, or the pee tapes get released.
Why is it the most likely explanation that we blew up an inactive pipeline in the Baltic Sea?
it creates force majeure. It also puts more pressure on the European nations for the winter. This is likely something that can be fixed in a couple months. so why would Putin do this, becaus nat gas prices are going down. Go check the charts. Between losing ground in Ukraine and now losing his only leverage point, he is trying to cause maximum pain. The US wouldn’t do this with a major hurricane and NGL capacity down. All this is showing is that Putin is feeling the pressure.
Because it precludes the option of (re)starting flows again to Europe and bypassing Eastern Europe.
The destruction of this pipeline and establishment of the Norway-Poland pipeline give Poland and Ukraine more leverage than if both of those pipelines could carry supplies.
"Russian navy support ships were reportedly spotted near the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines before they were ruptured by explosions. The claims come as Moscow has again denied involvement in the suspected sabotage, instead blaming the U.S.
Citing Western intelligence officials, CNN said that the alleged presence of Russian vessels was being investigated as a cause of underwater explosions in the Baltic Sea, as Moscow faces accusations that it's trying to manipulate energy flows to hurt Europe."
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-nord-stream-putin-explosion-1747387
Citing Western intelligence officials, CNN said that the alleged presence of Russian vessels was being investigated as a cause of underwater explosions in the Baltic Sea, as Moscow faces accusations that it's trying to manipulate energy flows to hurt Europe."
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-nord-stream-putin-explosion-1747387
Well for starters, President Biden said that we would “bring Nordstream 2 to an end” if Russia invaded Ukraine.
There is a pretty short list of people that could actually pull this off and not be detected, basically USA and Russia. Even Russia is doubtful honestly. None of our Western European allies would be so provocative without checking with us first.
Could China pull it off? Maybe but they don’t have any motive to get involved.
I’m not the sharpest knife in the drawer and have a dumb question: Nordsteam 2 was never online, and Russia had shut off Nordstream 1 due to technical issues. If true, how/why is natural gas bubbling to the surface?
The entire situation seems very fishy.
The entire situation seems very fishy.
Russia gains nothing by doing this as they already control the pipeline and probably want it to work when Europe starts buying gas from then again.
The United States benefits the most but I wouldn't rule green energy terrorist organizations.
The United States benefits the most but I wouldn't rule green energy terrorist organizations.
Dude Greenpeace does not have the juice to plant underwater explosives undetected on international energy infrastructure.
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