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How do we see this one playing out on a neutral court?

I see that UNI is 4-4 on the year, but they have wins over Arizona State, Oklahoma, South Dakota State, and Coe.

Their losses are to Xavier x2, George Mason, and Wyoming. They face North Dakota on Saturday and then Iowa on the 17th, then they travel to North Carolina on 12/21.
 
I went to the Wyoming game & I've never seen a UNI team give up so many wide open 3's. If they play like that it's hard not to see Iowa winning. Wyoming hit 16 3's on them & most of them were uncontested.
 
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ASU is pretty bad this year, as is SDSU. Not sure on OU.

All I know is Frans teams struggle against good fundamental defense which is why UNI gives us fits. Not to mention, Iowa just does not play well in this event. Idk if it's the arena or crowd or what.

Expecting a low scoring frustrating game that will be close either way.
 
I have watched 5 games of UNI this year and they have played well in four of the five. They are a lot like the Hawks, young team still learning. They can shoot the three, but if Iowa plays with last night's defensive intensity we should win. But, I think it will be a tough game.
 
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Agree with DewHawk, this will be a gut-check game. Not sure if UNI also has some injuries, because some kids aren't playing. Iowa never plays well in this venue. If we do, we can win.
 
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Forgot to mention Carlson got a technical early in 1st half against Wyo & never played again. Could've won the game if he played. It was very strange.
 
Last night Iowa went all out on defending the perimeter because ISU really doesn't have quality on the inside. It paid off. UNI is in a similar boat but with less talent on the perimeter. UNI plays better defense than ISU but because Iowa can overload on D and UNI is struggling with guard play right now I think Iowa wins a close one. UNI will try to slow the pace in this game to expose some of Iowa's big holes.
 
The UNI game is over a week away. That's the longest layoff this young team has had so far. In that time, some key freshmen will be taking their first college final exams. In many ways, I'm more worried about how these things will affect the game next Saturday than the UNI players. The game after finals week has almost traditionally been a lethargic affair, even with more experienced players.
 
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StormHawk42 said:
ASU is pretty bad this year, as is SDSU. Not sure on OU.

All I know is Frans teams struggle against good fundamental defense which is why UNI gives us fits. Not to mention, Iowa just does not play well in this event. Idk if it's the arena or crowd or what.

Expecting a low scoring frustrating game that will be close either way.
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I expect no low scoring games with this iowa team.
 
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I think this one gets ugly early for UNI. The two teams are a lot alike in terms of youth. But our youth is better than theirs and they've got nothing like Jok. Love to see Cook on the floor but doubtful. Hawks will be able to force UNI to play up tempo.
 
It's not just an in-state rivalry, but playing the UNI guys in the Prime Time League certainly removes any fear they have (years ago, many years ago, you could punch 'em a couple times and they couldn't get back up. Not anymore.) of playing us.

Jacobson is a good coach, but never was quite deserving of some Iowa fans interest in replacing McCaffery with him. (You posters know who you are. :) )

I doubt we'll find our three's to be wide open. I expect a very tough game. But athlete to athlete, we should beat them if the intangibles don't get in the way.

Would love to know is officiating. And what kind of game they plan to call. If we can bump a little and not sacrifice Pemsl to foul trouble, I don't think they have anyone that can handle him.
 
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IowaHawkeyeFBnBB4Life said:
How do we see this one playing out on a neutral court?

I see that UNI is 4-4 on the year, but they have wins over Arizona State, Oklahoma, South Dakota State, and Coe.

Their losses are to Xavier x2, George Mason, and Wyoming. They face North Dakota on Saturday and then Iowa on the 17th, then they travel to North Carolina on 12/21.
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Of the 4 losses 2 are to Xavier.....and from what I have seen of George Mason they are for real...so in my estimation 3 of the 4 are to very good teams. Isn't Oklahoma pretty good?

I think this game is a dog fight and one we need to win pretty badly if we have any hope of post season play.
 
I am going to assume that Morgan will guard Jok. Morgan might be best defender that guards Jok all year. That will be an interesting match up. Does iowa put Jok or Moss on Morgan on defense? Iowa has to limit Mccloud's driving ability. He can't shoot at all.
 
Anyone who thinks this is an automatic W is settling themselves up for a personal meltdown. I can promise you regardless of what their players and coach might say leading up to this game there is no bigger game on the schedule all year than when they are playing Iowa or ISU. This game provides a 'badge of honor' for them and means little to us other than get a W and move on.

As DanL and others pointed out also their kids play in the PTL so any intimidation factor is non existent. They are familiar with our guys.

We are also coming off finals and a long layoff so expect anything to happen including a shoddy performance.
 
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Looks like UNI set up a pretty good schedule for themselves. Still have a game at North Carolina too.
 
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I expect no low scoring games with this iowa team.
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That's fair but they already had a 41 point output vs Virginia. Not saying UNI is on Virginia's level, but they slow the game to a crawl against Iowa. Last time we played, they held the Aaron White Hawkeyes to like 43 or something.

I'd be surprised if the winning team gets over 70.
 
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That's fair but they already had a 41 point output vs Virginia. Not saying UNI is on Virginia's level, but they slow the game to a crawl against Iowa. Last time we played, they held the Aaron White Hawkeyes to like 43 or something.

I'd be surprised if the winning team gets over 70.
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Mostly likely correct. The teams will be evenly matched. Kenpom has UNI at 75 and Iowa at 76. Contrast in what each team is good at. UNI has the 136th most efficient offense, but 46th ranked defense. Iowa's offense is 38th in offensive efficiency but 153rd! (yikes) in defensive efficiency. And UNI plays extremely slow, 341st in pace with just 64 possessions per game. UNI has a mediocre/average offense, but Iowa's defense is poor. Iowa has a good offense, but UNI's defense is also decent/good. Getting a lead will be paramount. If Iowa falls behind 8-10 points and has to defend for 25-30 seconds every possession it will get difficult.
 
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When the Pemsl-Kriener team won the PTL championship, that team's leading scorer was Wyatt Lohaus, who prepped at IC West. He was one of the best shooting guards I've ever seen in Iowa high school play. Now he is shooting 22% for UNI and has been replaced by the kid from Western Dubuque, Spencer Haldemann, who is now UNI's second-leading scorer after Morgan. (This is being posted before their game today). Haldemann's a great shooter, but does anyone know what has happened to Lohaus? And what is the deal with 6-10 Luke McDonnell, who has scored only three points. Does he just have to wait in the UNI system? I also see that UNI has a commitment from 6-10 Austin Pfyfe from Waverly, the best big man in the state this year. Comments?
 
Lohaus injured his ankle early in the year. He tried to play through it during the holiday tournament and made it worse. So he's been healing from that. Koch as been recovering from an illness as well
 
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When the Pemsl-Kriener team won the PTL championship, that team's leading scorer was Wyatt Lohaus, who prepped at IC West. He was one of the best shooting guards I've ever seen in Iowa high school play. Now he is shooting 22% for UNI and has been replaced by the kid from Western Dubuque, Spencer Haldemann, who is now UNI's second-leading scorer after Morgan. (This is being posted before their game today). Haldemann's a great shooter, but does anyone know what has happened to Lohaus? And what is the deal with 6-10 Luke McDonnell, who has scored only three points. Does he just have to wait in the UNI system? I also see that UNI has a commitment from 6-10 Austin Pfyfe from Waverly, the best big man in the state this year. Comments?
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Lohaus hasn't had a chance to find a rhythm as he's been hurt. He just came back in tonight's game after a long absence. McConnell lost all year + PTL due to injury as I recall so he too is behind due to injury. I've seen the one game that McConnell got some playing time and he looked really rusty. He has a ways to go based on the very limited time I've seen him. Hopefully next year he'll gain some rhythm.
 
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When the Pemsl-Kriener team won the PTL championship, that team's leading scorer was Wyatt Lohaus, who prepped at IC West. He was one of the best shooting guards I've ever seen in Iowa high school play.
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Out of curiosity who else besides Lohaus was in the top 5 that you have seen for Iowa shooting guards?
 
Lohaus just isn't that good. Fantastic high school player but not even close to one of the best ever.

Game should be even. UNI lives and dies by three. Carlson and Koch have mysteriously vanished. I like the Hawks by 6 or so.

Watching them right now vs UND who is the favorite in the Big Sky. Amani Hookers brother is their best player. Also have Cortez Seales with Brian Jones and Horner on staff.
 
Morgan scores 38 points in the second half (none in the first half).
 
And1Hawk said:
Anyone who thinks this is an automatic W is settling themselves up for a personal meltdown. I can promise you regardless of what their players and coach might say leading up to this game there is no bigger game on the schedule all year than when they are playing Iowa or ISU. This game provides a 'badge of honor' for them and means little to us other than get a W and move on.

As DanL and others pointed out also their kids play in the PTL so any intimidation factor is non existent. They are familiar with our guys.

We are also coming off finals and a long layoff so expect anything to happen including a shoddy performance.
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UNI has had more tournament success than Iowa in recent years, so PTL or not, they won't be intimidated by Iowa. They also have an excellent coach.
 
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I was talking about the games that I saw Lohaus play in person in high school when he would just be unconscious, hitting pretty much everything he threw toward the basket with a taller defender in his face. Obviously he isn't doing that now. But, he was amazing. Then his heart would go into a tachycardia and he'd have to bury his face in a container of ice water for a few minutes to shock it back. He'd go in and out of games because of that heart problem. That would happen maybe one, two or three times a game. Damnest thing I ever saw regarding an active all-state player. Best shooting Iowa guards I ever saw? Obviously, I haven't seen everybody play in high school. Marcus Paige was easily the best I saw in high school; The Mayor from Ames was terrific; Spencer Haldemann when he hit eight straight three pointers while being double teamed and had 44 points; Horner from Mason City at times and maybe Matt Gatens of City High. I'm sure I'm forgetting a few. Best game of three-pointers I ever saw was a Linn-Mar vs. Wahlert game in Dubuque when Paige was the Lions' point and Riley McCarron was Wahlert's and there were 25 made three pointers in that game, 16 by Linn-Mar and 9 by Wahlert in a game won by Linn-Mar 96-91, I think. Game was never reported or recorded in the local T-H paper! Most incredible shooting high school game I've seen. Back to UNI-- too bad those injuries happened to those UNI players. UNI won tonight 78- 70, with Morgan hitting 38 and then Haldemann with 12, Carlson 11.
 
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Iowa's biggest challenges will come against teams with quick guards and true "bigs" down low. UNI does not have either. I am not slighting UNI at all. Koch, Carlson and Morgan are excellent players and pose major challenges for defenses. I just don't see this being a game that Iowa will be outclassed athletically like we have seen against UVA, Memphis, Seton Hall, and ND.

Both teams have played some really good competition thus far, so it should be a good game. I have a feeling the game will come down to Jok vs. Morgan in the race for 20+ points.
 
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No game is a gimme for this Iowa team.
Yes, they played their best game of the year by far and beat isu.
Less than a week prior to that they were bad in a home loss to a nondescript uno team that has an rpi of 123.
Who knows what to expect.
 
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I was talking about the games that I saw Lohaus play in person in high school when he would just be unconscious, hitting pretty much everything he threw toward the basket with a taller defender in his face. Obviously he isn't doing that now. But, he was amazing. Then his heart would go into a tachycardia and he'd have to bury his face in a container of ice water for a few minutes to shock it back. He'd go in and out of games because of that heart problem. That would happen maybe one, two or three times a game. Damnest thing I ever saw regarding an active all-state player. Best shooting Iowa guards I ever saw? Obviously, I haven't seen everybody play in high school. Marcus Paige was easily the best I saw in high school; The Mayor from Ames was terrific; Spencer Haldemann when he hit eight straight three pointers while being double teamed and had 44 points; Horner from Mason City at times and maybe Matt Gatens of City High. I'm sure I'm forgetting a few. Best game of three-pointers I ever saw was a Linn-Mar vs. Wahlert game in Dubuque when Paige was the Lions' point and Riley McCarron was Wahlert's and there were 25 made three pointers in that game, 16 by Linn-Mar and 9 by Wahlert in a game won by Linn-Mar 96-91, I think. Game was never reported or recorded in the local T-H paper! Most incredible shooting high school game I've seen. Back to UNI-- too bad those injuries happened to those UNI players. UNI won tonight 78- 70, with Morgan hitting 38 and then Haldemann with 12, Carlson 11.
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Thanks E-Hawk as I asked the question and was genuinely curious as that is high praise for any player. I did not know who you had seen that you were comparing his play performance with during high school.

You listed Paige so I am assuming you saw the Bohannen boys play too but you did not mention them in comparison? Paige, Gatens, Haldeman, McCarron.
 
I don't think UNI's bigs are great by any stretch, but I think they will give Cordell some problems with their physicality on the defensive end.
 
I expect nothing less than a low scoring dogfight with uni. Like upper 50's low 60's type score with hopefully the hawks with the upper hand.
 
When you talk about high school performers (guards), it's difficult sometimes to separate those amazing performances when a kid goes off and makes all his shots in a game, versus kids like the Bohannans who are all consistently pretty good all the time. Yeah, I've watched all the Bohannons in high school and Jordan is about as good as any of them, maybe not as tall as some of his brothers. My impression of Jordan is pretty much what you see with him playing at Iowa. He's always a good passer and floor general. He has no fear. His shooting can be absolutely erratic. You never know when JoBo is going 2- 8 like against Iowa State, or 3- 22, as in one substate game, or when he lights it up, going 12- 15. He is a deadly free throw shooter. With Jordan, a team is going to live by the three or die by the three. Her's quicker than you think and gets more than his share of rebounds. Unfortunately JoBo's Linn-Mar teams never made it to the Iowa state tournament because his best shooting games were never in the district or substate finals when Linn-Mar would always be paired with some really good team, whereas his buddy, Pemsl, lived at the state tourney, winning eight of nine games there. I really like Jordan Bohannon and I think he should remain a starter on Iowa's team. One thing about Jordan, when he is off on his shooting, it's never for very long. He can have a terrible shooting night, then come right back with a couple of great nights in a row. He has a lot more good shooting nights than bad nights. Another thing, he had great high school coaching, and is as BIG-ready as a freshman can be.
 
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When the Pemsl-Kriener team won the PTL championship, that team's leading scorer was Wyatt Lohaus, who prepped at IC West. He was one of the best shooting guards I've ever seen in Iowa high school play. Now he is shooting 22% for UNI and has been replaced by the kid from Western Dubuque, Spencer Haldemann, who is now UNI's second-leading scorer after Morgan. (This is being posted before their game today). Haldemann's a great shooter, but does anyone know what has happened to Lohaus? And what is the deal with 6-10 Luke McDonnell, who has scored only three points. Does he just have to wait in the UNI system? I also see that UNI has a commitment from 6-10 Austin Pfyfe from Waverly, the best big man in the state this year. Comments?
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I've been curious about Spencer Haldemann. Did he have the skills to play at Iowa?
 
Anyone know if this game will be televised? Doesn't Mediacom usually show these games?
 
Look for the Hawkeyes to build on their win over Iowa St.
We have the offense, we just need to play defense for
2 halves. Perhaps our players are trying to get some
consistency against Northern Iowa and continue to build
up for the Big Ten Conference.
 
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