Not Sold On Jerminic Smith

[iowalaw]

I know a lot of people have high expectations for Jerminic Smith solely because he played last year on a team with virtually no WR depth. I've been rewatching the games last year and just don't see it. There were more passes thrown to Smith where the receiver ran the wrong route (or qb miscommunication), dropped balls, or simply the WR couldn't get under the ball, than anyone else.

Based on this week's interview from Bobby Kennedy, it sounds like Smith has become complacent this summer and has not been working as hard as everyone else or improving.

“He needs to keep improving. I think sometimes when you have that attitude that, hey, I’m the heir apparent, then sometimes you think you’ve arrived. Man, once you think you’ve arrived, you’re probably declining. So, we need to push the bar forward,” Kennedy said.

I like what I'm hearing about Jay Scheel. I'd like to see him step up and be a solid starter this year, and a star next year. CJ needs guys to help him stretch the field this year, which he was unable to really do last year (he had nearly the same yards per pass avg as 4 yrd out Jake Rudock).

It sounds like Boyle is not the long-term answer, as coach Davis recently said that he will move back to QB after this season is over. That came as a bit of a surprise, as if Boyle is a QB, he should be working on his QB skills. I'm guessing if he has a big year, he stays at WR in spite of current plans.

 

[fifteenandoh]

2015
CJ Beathard
223 completions
2809 yards
12.6 yards per completion

2014
Jake Rudock
213 completions
2436 yards
11.4 yards per completion

2015
Jake Rudock
249 completions
3017 yards
12.1 yards per completion

 

[J_Heater]

 

[trippnschmidt]

Jerminic Smith is not sold on you.

 

[Pepperman]

“He needs to keep improving. I think sometimes when you have that attitude that, hey, I’m the heir apparent, then sometimes you think you’ve arrived. Man, once you think you’ve arrived, you’re probably declining. So, we need to push the bar forward,” Kennedy said.

That quote is certainly cause for concern. Not sure what the context was or if Kennedy had been gushing about him before saying that. I'm assuming there's more to the story, but if that's a simple answer given to a question like "how is Smith progressing?" then it is a bad sign.

 

[bloodredd]

The context of that quote is all wrong.

 

[David1979]

I am not shocked you have something negative to say.

 

[anon_8rcdnbko1jbe0]

Jeebus op you are a jackass. Might want to listen to the whole interview- BK was giving a general example. http://www.thegazette.com/subject/sports/a-conversation-with-iowa-wrs-coach-bobby-kennedy-20160808

 

[Freyvet]

I know a lot of people have high expectations for Jerminic Smith solely because he played last year on a team with virtually no WR depth. I've been rewatching the games last year and just don't see it. There were more passes thrown to Smith where the receiver ran the wrong route (or qb miscommunication), dropped balls, or simply the WR couldn't get under the ball, than anyone else.

Based on this week's interview from Bobby Kennedy, it sounds like Smith has become complacent this summer and has not been working as hard as everyone else or improving.

“He needs to keep improving. I think sometimes when you have that attitude that, hey, I’m the heir apparent, then sometimes you think you’ve arrived. Man, once you think you’ve arrived, you’re probably declining. So, we need to push the bar forward,” Kennedy said.

I like what I'm hearing about Jay Scheel. I'd like to see him step up and be a solid starter this year, and a star next year. CJ needs guys to help him stretch the field this year, which he was unable to really do last year (he had nearly the same yards per pass avg as 4 yrd out Jake Rudock).

It sounds like Boyle is not the long-term answer, as coach Davis recently said that he will move back to QB after this season is over. That came as a bit of a surprise, as if Boyle is a QB, he should be working on his QB skills. I'm guessing if he has a big year, he stays at WR in spite of current plans.

Where is the unsubscribe button?

 

[IowaHawkeyeFBnBB4Life]

Then McCarron it is

 

[INXS83]

I know a lot of people have high expectations for Jerminic Smith solely because he played last year on a team with virtually no WR depth. I've been rewatching the games last year and just don't see it. There were more passes thrown to Smith where the receiver ran the wrong route (or qb miscommunication), dropped balls, or simply the WR couldn't get under the ball, than anyone else.

Based on this week's interview from Bobby Kennedy, it sounds like Smith has become complacent this summer and has not been working as hard as everyone else or improving.

“He needs to keep improving. I think sometimes when you have that attitude that, hey, I’m the heir apparent, then sometimes you think you’ve arrived. Man, once you think you’ve arrived, you’re probably declining. So, we need to push the bar forward,” Kennedy said.

I like what I'm hearing about Jay Scheel. I'd like to see him step up and be a solid starter this year, and a star next year. CJ needs guys to help him stretch the field this year, which he was unable to really do last year (he had nearly the same yards per pass avg as 4 yrd out Jake Rudock).

It sounds like Boyle is not the long-term answer, as coach Davis recently said that he will move back to QB after this season is over. That came as a bit of a surprise, as if Boyle is a QB, he should be working on his QB skills. I'm guessing if he has a big year, he stays at WR in spite of current plans.

Based on what I saw of him against Illinois in 2015, I'm pretty hopeful he could really be a productive WR in the Iowa system.

 

[MMoran]

Yes, I've heard. Catches passes with one hand. And if HE plays this year, he'd consume the competition with fireballs from his eyes, and bolts of lightning from his arse.

He'll be just fine.....

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Jeebus op you are a jackass. Might want to listen to the whole interview- BK was giving a general example. http://www.thegazette.com/subject/sports/a-conversation-with-iowa-wrs-coach-bobby-kennedy-20160808

OP likes to drop the occasional thread of pessimism and sit back and watch what unfolds. Classic trolling, not that this is always a motive.

It's worth mentioning that every once in a while he will actually return to the threads he started to defend his negative assertion, usually of someone associated with the team or about the team in general, for about one or two replies and then returns to the shadows waiting for his next opportunity that presents itself to post something pessimistic.

iowalaw also plays both sides, but from a negative standpoint. He'll tell us he's more than happy when Iowa proves him wrong (in an easy-way-out effort to save face), but makes it known that he doesn't think Iowa, or a particular player, can do something, beforehand, so that he can (but doesn't always- it's implied) say that he was right, in the chance that Iowa does not win or struggles in a certain area, or a player does not in fact perform well...........................because otherwise, wtf is the point of posting this? (Especially when someone "hates being right" ........just sayin.)

He, apparently, wants to be the guy that calls that stuff, while having an out to save his own arse in case he's proven wrong.......after all, "law" is a part of his name.


P.S. You can also play both sides from an optimistic perspective. Those are the kind of people who say, I expect us to win 10-games, but it wouldn't surprise me if we only win 7.....or something of that nature.

 

[Eternal Return]

Not sold on IowaLaw as a Hawkeye fan.

 

[BUCKSNDUCKS]

I am quite sold on Jermanic - for 1 he got playing time last year...2 - he has speed...both are vitally important! Give him a more important role and I think he will be an asset

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

I will let Jerminic develop however he needs to develop. Young guys are young guys ... they'll make mistakes ... and, with any luck, they'll learn from those mistakes.

I'm not going to give up on him or ANY other Hawk for that matter!

 

[mazda1]

I think his hands are a justifiable concern. He does have speed and some experience. We need him to make plays.

 

[Ladell-hawk]

I know a lot of people have high expectations for Jerminic Smith solely because he played last year on a team with virtually no WR depth. I've been rewatching the games last year and just don't see it. There were more passes thrown to Smith where the receiver ran the wrong route (or qb miscommunication), dropped balls, or simply the WR couldn't get under the ball, than anyone else.

Based on this week's interview from Bobby Kennedy, it sounds like Smith has become complacent this summer and has not been working as hard as everyone else or improving.

“He needs to keep improving. I think sometimes when you have that attitude that, hey, I’m the heir apparent, then sometimes you think you’ve arrived. Man, once you think you’ve arrived, you’re probably declining. So, we need to push the bar forward,” Kennedy said.

I like what I'm hearing about Jay Scheel. I'd like to see him step up and be a solid starter this year, and a star next year. CJ needs guys to help him stretch the field this year, which he was unable to really do last year (he had nearly the same yards per pass avg as 4 yrd out Jake Rudock).

It sounds like Boyle is not the long-term answer, as coach Davis recently said that he will move back to QB after this season is over. That came as a bit of a surprise, as if Boyle is a QB, he should be working on his QB skills. I'm guessing if he has a big year, he stays at WR in spite of current plans.

I think Jerminic Smith will be just fine. He did show a knack of getting open, and behind the db on several occasions in limited playing time. I think our WR's as a group will be a pleasant surprise. I hope Jonathon Parker gets healthy soon, as I think he will have a big year. Go Hawks!

 

[Stormn Norman]

It will be a hard yr for Matt V if J smith and the others don't step up.. I'm not sold on MV having as good a yr as last yr either, due to T. Smith And J.HILL not being there to open it up for him to be successful.. They are gone and the heat will be all his!

 

[Kurt Warner]

I wasn't overly impressed with smith either. Had a costly dropped pass in a game, can't recall the game but it was a big drop at a critical time and place. He hasn't done enough for the praise some are giving him. Hopefully with a year under his belt he has a big season, we can use as many targets as we can get.

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

I wasn't overly impressed with smith either. Had a costly dropped pass in a game, can't recall the game but it was a big drop at a critical time and place. He hasn't done enough for the praise some are giving him. Hopefully with a year under his belt he has a big season, we can use as many targets as we can get.

Good lord ... VandeBerg kept on getting open in '13 and '14 but had trouble holding onto the ball whenever he got hit. It's all about focus and improving technique ... VandeBerg did it ... Smith can do it ... as can Scheel.

Let's not sell ANY current Hawkeye short!

 

[Kurt Warner]

Wow, some of you just can't stand others opinions. No one is selling anyone short. He is just an unproven player no more no less. It's not like we hope he sucks his entire career. I would love to see him be a star and the first pick in the draft. We are just saying the jury is still out on how good he will or will not be.

 

[Kurt Warner]

Also, i don't remember Vandenberg every dropping many balls.

 

[J_Heater]

Wow, some of you just can't stand others opinions. No one is selling anyone short. He is just an unproven player no more no less. It's not like we hope he sucks his entire career. I would love to see him be a star and the first pick in the draft. We are just saying the jury is still out on how good he will or will not be.

The only drop I remember him having that would be considered costly would have been 4th quarter against Illinois on 3rd and short. He ran a slant was open, CJ hits him in the hands and he dropped it but I think it was a good defensive play on Illinois.

I remember Tevaun being out and they asked Smith to step up. And I remember him doing that. I call that proving himself.

Illinois Game

10:17 First down catch, beats a damn good CB in V'angelo Bentley on a slant.
31:15 3rd and forever and once again beats Bentley to keep the drive alive
43:46 3rd and 13, CJ in trouble, Smith works his way open for a huge catch allowing us to score.
1:03:10 Smith with a great catch to keep his feet in bounds late in first half.
1:14:40 completely owned his man, gets wide open on 3rd and goal and CJ misses him badly. Otherwise a TD.
2:12:30 is the drop I assume you are talking about. DB got his hand on his right elbow as the ball got there but I agree he should have caught that. But without his efforts in the first half we aren't in the lead at that time either.

Maybe his best play
1:44:10 Canzeris long TD run, look who is blocking his man 35 yards down field from the LOS. I'm not sure Jordan scores without Jerminic holding his block.

I can't remember any other game where he had a huge drop but it was a long season. I do remember a 3rd and long in the 3rd quarter against Wisconsin where he was open behind the CB's and CJ missed him but it would have been a tough throw.

We all have our opinions, Just not sure how all the good stuff he did doesn't mean as much as the 1 drop he had. It's all about if you want to focus on the positive or the negative.

He impressed me that game. I don't remember any other game where I was disappointed in his efforts.

 

[iowalaw]

Yep, I've heard it all before.

When I led the charge questioning why Mark Weissman continued to start and take all of the carries at TB rather than giving more talented backs a shot, I was labeled a "cyclone fan." When I was high on giving CJ a fair shot at the beginning of 2014 over Rudock...long before the bandwagon caught on, the board hollered "in Kirk we trust, he never makes mistakes or plays favorites." And in the past two years, I have been vocal in Kirk's failure to play Damond Powell, Jay Scheel or Derick Willies, and his tendency to play "blocking" WRs instead.

These are my objective opinions as a die hard hawk fan. I have started just as many threads sticking up for coaches (LaVarr Woods, who makes a fraction of Brian Ferentz salary yet recruits 1000% better than him) and players (CJ, Derrick Mitchell, Scheel, Wadley, Josh Jackson, Mends, DJK). You guys should try thinking for yourselves sometime instead of believing Ferentz is perfect and believe nothing can be improved about this team. I mean 12-0 was great with probably the easiest schedule in Hawkeye history, but we are 0 for our last 2 games and things CAN improve.

Not sold on IowaLaw as a Hawkeye fan.

 

[Freyvet]

Yep, I've heard it all before.

When I led the charge questioning why Mark Weissman continued to start and take all of the carries at TB rather than giving more talented backs a shot, I was labeled a "cyclone fan." When I was high on giving CJ a fair shot at the beginning of 2014 over Rudock...long before the bandwagon caught on, the board hollered "in Kirk we trust, he never makes mistakes or plays favorites." And in the past two years, I have been vocal in Kirk's failure to play Damond Powell, Jay Scheel or Derick Willies, and his tendency to play "blocking" WRs instead.

These are my objective opinions as a die hard hawk fan. I have started just as many threads sticking up for coaches (LaVarr Woods, who makes a fraction of Brian Ferentz salary yet recruits 1000% better than him) and players (CJ, Derrick Mitchell, Scheel, Wadley, Josh Jackson, Mends, DJK). You guys should try thinking for yourselves sometime instead of believing Ferentz is perfect and believe nothing can be improved about this team. I mean 12-0 was great with probably the easiest schedule in Hawkeye history, but we are 0 for our last 2 games and things CAN improve.

You are an idiot! Certainly everyone makes mistakes - noone says KF is perfect - but he does stand for something, develops pretty good team chemistry and wins at a high level. And yes he plays favorites - his favorites work hard, are disciplined, are great teammates AND have physical talent as well. Many components go into building team culture and maintaining this culture - you haven't understood this and continue to be ignorant to this.

 

[David1979]

So a true freshman has a drop and people now aren't impressed even though he had a 100 us receiving game as well. Tevaun Smith didn't do that until his Senior season if I recall. If you can't see the kid can be a good one you are blind. No one knows if he will fulfill his potential but the potential is there and that's all people are saying. Same thing with Scheel

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Yep, I've heard it all before.

When I led the charge questioning why Mark Weissman continued to start and take all of the carries at TB rather than giving more talented backs a shot, I was labeled a "cyclone fan." When I was high on giving CJ a fair shot at the beginning of 2014 over Rudock...long before the bandwagon caught on, the board hollered "in Kirk we trust, he never makes mistakes or plays favorites." And in the past two years, I have been vocal in Kirk's failure to play Damond Powell, Jay Scheel or Derick Willies, and his tendency to play "blocking" WRs instead.

These are my objective opinions as a die hard hawk fan. I have started just as many threads sticking up for coaches (LaVarr Woods, who makes a fraction of Brian Ferentz salary yet recruits 1000% better than him) and players (CJ, Derrick Mitchell, Scheel, Wadley, Josh Jackson, Mends, DJK). You guys should try thinking for yourselves sometime instead of believing Ferentz is perfect and believe nothing can be improved about this team. I mean 12-0 was great with probably the easiest schedule in Hawkeye history, but we are 0 for our last 2 games and things CAN improve.

What about all the times you were wrong?........

I know you were happy to be wrong, but beyond that, what else?

 

[Kurt Warner]

So a true freshman has a drop and people now aren't impressed even though he had a 100 us receiving game as well. Tevaun Smith didn't do that until his Senior season if I recall. If you can't see the kid can be a good one you are blind. No one knows if he will fulfill his potential but the potential is there and that's all people are saying. Same thing with Scheel

It wasn't the drop that's keeping me from comparing him to the next jerry rice, it's more the lack in catches. Did he even have 10 catches last year? Guess I'm not sure how many he had.

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Also, i don't remember Vandenberg every dropping many balls.

Well I don't think he was ever thrown any. He was usually the one throwing them..........

 

[tony0051]

Iowalaw u r the perfect example of why the average person hates lawyers. Formulating opinions based off very little info because u think yur education makes u smarter than everyone else.
Truth is that the truly intelligent people are those who gather max info and then formulate an opinion.
U have never seen scheel play and Willies walked out on his team midseason. Powell dropped balls all the time. Yet with zero info you have surmised jerminic can't play and those other guys are better?

 

[DarkThunder#61]

It wasn't the drop that's keeping me from comparing him to the next jerry rice, it's more the lack in catches. Did he even have 10 catches last year? Guess I'm not sure how many he had.

He had 6 catches for 141 yds last year. 4 for 114 against Illinois in his first start.

 

[Pepperman]

When I led the charge questioning why Mark Weissman continued to start and take all of the carries at TB rather than giving more talented backs a shot, I was labeled a "cyclone fan." When I was high on giving CJ a fair shot at the beginning of 2014 over Rudock...long before the bandwagon caught on, the board hollered "in Kirk we trust, he never makes mistakes or plays favorites." And in the past two years, I have been vocal in Kirk's failure to play Damond Powell, Jay Scheel or Derick Willies, and his tendency to play "blocking" WRs instead.

These are my objective opinions as a die hard hawk fan. I have started just as many threads sticking up for coaches (LaVarr Woods, who makes a fraction of Brian Ferentz salary yet recruits 1000% better than him) and players (CJ, Derrick Mitchell, Scheel, Wadley, Josh Jackson, Mends, DJK). You guys should try thinking for yourselves sometime instead of believing Ferentz is perfect and believe nothing can be improved about this team. I mean 12-0 was great with probably the easiest schedule in Hawkeye history, but we are 0 for our last 2 games and things CAN improve.

Well, considering your current handle is from 2015, "you" didn't do that at all.

 

[cidhawkeye]

Yep, I've heard it all before.

When I led the charge questioning why Mark Weissman continued to start and take all of the carries at TB rather than giving more talented backs a shot, I was labeled a "cyclone fan." When I was high on giving CJ a fair shot at the beginning of 2014 over Rudock...long before the bandwagon caught on, the board hollered "in Kirk we trust, he never makes mistakes or plays favorites." And in the past two years, I have been vocal in Kirk's failure to play Damond Powell, Jay Scheel or Derick Willies, and his tendency to play "blocking" WRs instead.

These are my objective opinions as a die hard hawk fan. I have started just as many threads sticking up for coaches (LaVarr Woods, who makes a fraction of Brian Ferentz salary yet recruits 1000% better than him) and players (CJ, Derrick Mitchell, Scheel, Wadley, Josh Jackson, Mends, DJK). You guys should try thinking for yourselves sometime instead of believing Ferentz is perfect and believe nothing can be improved about this team. I mean 12-0 was great with probably the easiest schedule in Hawkeye history, but we are 0 for our last 2 games and things CAN improve.

Prior to about the midpoint of the season last year the 'what is Kirk doing' crowd out numbered the 'in Kirk we trust crowd' so please slow down on patting yourself on the back, you throw 50 things at the wall, find the 3 that stick and proclaim yourself all knowing. I could predict rain every day and 12 days later when it rains proclaim myself a meteorologist but that doesn't make it so. Keep on working hard this board needs a good dose of negative perspective to keep it balanced. The good news is you do it so well the majority of us can focus on being objective and realistic so thank you.

 

[David1979]

It wasn't the drop that's keeping me from comparing him to the next jerry rice, it's more the lack in catches. Did he even have 10 catches last year? Guess I'm not sure how many he had.

Don't believe anyone said he was going to be the next Jerry Rice but thanks for the hyperbole.
So because a true freshman who mainly played with Smith was injured and was probably the 4th or 5th receiver on the team didn't catch that many passes you don't think he will be that good?

 

[hknation]

That quote is certainly cause for concern. Not sure what the context was or if Kennedy had been gushing about him before saying that. I'm assuming there's more to the story, but if that's a simple answer given to a question like "how is Smith progressing?" then it is a bad sign.

Hmmmm, the other players selected Smith 2nd to Scheel as their projected "break-out" player for this season:
"Breakout player this fall
Jay Scheel 7
Jerminic Smith 2"

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Don't believe anyone said he was going to be the next Jerry Rice but thanks for the hyperbole.
So because a true freshman who mainly played with Smith was injured and was probably the 4th or 5th receiver on the team didn't catch that many passes you don't think he will be that good?

No he just wasn't that impressed is all.......and that he doesn't think people should be so quick to praise him.

 

[SotaHawk87]

I'm sold

 

[Pepperman]

Hmmmm, the other players selected Smith 2nd to Scheel as their projected "break-out" player for this season:
"Breakout player this fall
Jay Scheel 7
Jerminic Smith 2"

Which is precisely why I said "I'm assuming there's more to the story" and that I thought that quote had to be missing context of some sort. I couldn't even find that quote anywhere in the posted links so still not sure where it came from?

 

[Herkmeister]

I have heard the J Smith's work ethic could be an issue. I heard this from the mouth of a player who said there seems to be a sense of entitlement with him.

Don't shoot the messenger boyz. I'm only relaying information, that's all.