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*******Official Cubs 2025 Thread*******

How many of those guys will have a chance to play in Chicago next season?

I assume some may be traded?
Depends on so many factors. If healthy/effective, Horton will get a look next year. Caissie and Shaw are pretty much ready. Triantos is close to ready and also a bit redundant with Shaw (particularly with Smith coming). Moises bat is probably close to ready, but he was 20 this year and I think they’re still interested in him as a catcher and I’d guess that he starts in Iowa and they give him time with the glove and to see if he just forces his way up. Alcantara is pretty close and Smith/Rojas need more time.

The issue with those guys, especially if Bellinger opts in, is that literally every position is filled with a guy under contract/control for 2+ years except maybe C. So trades likely have to happen, whether it’s shipping a couple prospects out for a quality return back or trading out a starter or two. Nico has the most value in trade as a 4+ WAR player who can play GG level D at 2 positions and give you an above-average contact bat.

One thing I would caution is that I see a lot of commentary on social media that replacing Nico with Shaw is an upgrade from Day 1. First, Shaw will go through adjustment phases like any rookie. Second, Cubs would be giving up a potentially significant amount on D, which is fine, but then Shaw has to make that up with the bat (or you have to make that difference up somewhere else). I’d support moving Nico in the right deal, but it’s not a slam-dunk auto-upgrade.
 
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How many of those guys will have a chance to play in Chicago next season?

I assume some may be traded?
The top 6 realistically would have some MLB time next season. Rojas is too far down, and Smith won't be ready to be in the 40 man discussion until 2026.
 
Depends on so many factors. If healthy/effective, Horton will get a look next year. Caissie and Shaw are pretty much ready. Triantos is close to ready and also a bit redundant with Shaw (particularly with Smith coming). Moises bat is probably close to ready, but he was 20 this year and I think they’re still interested in him as a catcher and I’d guess that he starts in Iowa and they give him time with the glove and to see if he just forces his way up. Alcantara is pretty close and Smith/Rojas need more time.

The issue with those guys, especially if Bellinger opts in, is that literally every position is filled with a guy under contract/control for 2+ years except maybe C. So trades likely have to happen, whether it’s shipping a couple prospects out for a quality return back or trading out a starter or two. Nico has the most value in trade as a 4+ WAR player who can play GG level D at 2 positions and give you an above-average contact bat.

One thing I would caution is that I see a lot of commentary on social media that replacing Nico with Shaw is an upgrade from Day 1. First, Shaw will go through adjustment phases like any rookie. Second, Cubs would be giving up a potentially significant amount on D, which is fine, but then Shaw has to make that up with the bat (or you have to make that difference up somewhere else). I’d support moving Nico in the right deal, but it’s not a slam-dunk auto-upgrade.
I just think saving $11M that can be reallocated to other needs (god I want Soto), plus the return you will get, plus you can’t let Shaw rot in the minors for 2 years. I know you won’t get exact replacement with Shaw but I think you come out ahead in the aggregate.
 
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I just think saving $11M that can be reallocated to other needs (god I want Soto), plus the return you will get, plus you can’t let Shaw rot in the minors for 2 years. I know you won’t get exact replacement with Shaw but I think you come out ahead in the aggregate.
All I’m saying is that I see a lot of fans quick to cast Hoerner aside as a bad player. He’s not. He may also make the most sense to go on a lot of fronts.
 
Depends on so many factors. If healthy/effective, Horton will get a look next year. Caissie and Shaw are pretty much ready. Triantos is close to ready and also a bit redundant with Shaw (particularly with Smith coming). Moises bat is probably close to ready, but he was 20 this year and I think they’re still interested in him as a catcher and I’d guess that he starts in Iowa and they give him time with the glove and to see if he just forces his way up. Alcantara is pretty close and Smith/Rojas need more time.

The issue with those guys, especially if Bellinger opts in, is that literally every position is filled with a guy under contract/control for 2+ years except maybe C. So trades likely have to happen, whether it’s shipping a couple prospects out for a quality return back or trading out a starter or two. Nico has the most value in trade as a 4+ WAR player who can play GG level D at 2 positions and give you an above-average contact bat.

One thing I would caution is that I see a lot of commentary on social media that replacing Nico with Shaw is an upgrade from Day 1. First, Shaw will go through adjustment phases like any rookie. Second, Cubs would be giving up a potentially significant amount on D, which is fine, but then Shaw has to make that up with the bat (or you have to make that difference up somewhere else). I’d support moving Nico in the right deal, but it’s not a slam-dunk auto-upgrade.
Thanks all for the responses.

I don't know how you baseball nerds keep up on all this.

I don't really have anyone to talk about baseball to. It just isn't popular in the south.
 
Thanks all for the responses.

I don't know how you baseball nerds keep up on all this.

I don't really have anyone to talk about baseball to. It just isn't popular in the south.
We will be your friends.
Give this a read, there is some interesting prospect stuff, including notes on hitters and Riley Martin, who the Cubs really, really seem unsure of moving to the 40 man because they think they can sneak him through. He's a lefty that hits 95 pretty easily and is thought to be an up/down guy next season.
The AFL starts today.
https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs...allesteros-martin-under-the-radar-names-more/
 
BCB had a write up yesterday that gave MLB Pipeline's top 100 prospects, and the Cubs had 8 of them. That's stellar by any measure.
22 Shaw
34 Cassie
42 Horton
44 Ballesteros
55 Triantos
67 Alcantara
73 Smtih
100 Rojas

Josh, who does their minor league stuff speculated that Cassie and Triantos are the most likely pieces of trade bait in the Cubs system.
I wonder how far Horton fell due to the injury.

If Caissie or Triantos are dealt and I. Paredes, Madrigal, Wisdom and Mervis are still on the 40-man, Jed had better be getting the next Aaron Judge in return....
 
FWIW, I read a little blurb the other day that the A's may have some interest in Madrigal. Of course rumors are what keep the writers employed this time of year.
 
I wonder how far Horton fell due to the injury.

If Caissie or Triantos are dealt and I. Paredes, Madrigal, Wisdom and Mervis are still on the 40-man, Jed had better be getting the next Aaron Judge in return....
I wouldn’t put Paredes anywhere near the same category as Madrigal and Wisdom, both of whom I’d put behind Mervis, though all 3 likely gone this offseason. When looking at the top prospects, Caissie/Alcantara and Shaw/Triantos have some redundancy. If the Cubs do trade 1-2 top 100s, look for it to be one of those (or possibly one from each pair).
 
FWIW, I read a little blurb the other day that the A's may have some interest in Madrigal. Of course rumors are what keep the writers employed this time of year.
If the Cubs get a bag of slightly used balls and a broken fungo back from the A’s for Madrigal, the trade is a W.
 
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Give this a read, there is some interesting prospect stuff, including notes on hitters and Riley Martin, who the Cubs really, really seem unsure of moving to the 40 man because they think they can sneak him through. He's a lefty that hits 95 pretty easily and is thought to be an up/down guy next season.
The AFL starts today.
https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs...allesteros-martin-under-the-radar-names-more/
Riley Martin is interesting. A lot of teams would have interest, but the key is - could anyone keep him on their active roster all season? That’s the trade-off for the R5 draft. That essentially takes every contender fully out play and most teams in the middle. Would a team like the Marlins, White Sox, Rockies, A’s, etc. be willing/able to commit a 26-man roster spot to him all year?

As it stands now, the Cubs could easily add him, but the Cubs are also going to want to make additions and even after trimming dead weight, that could be a valuable 40-man slot.
 
If the Cubs get a bag of slightly used balls and a broken fungo back from the A’s for Madrigal, the trade is a W.
The article actually mentioned a 1B, or an OF, or a RP as potential trade chips. It said part of the draw for Madrigal is that he is originally from the area where the A's are playing next year (Sacramento?) and his defensive metrics at 3B, if you can believe that.
 
The article actually mentioned a 1B, or an OF, or a RP as potential trade chips. It said part of the draw for Madrigal is that he is originally from the area where the A's are playing next year (Sacramento?) and his defensive metrics at 3B, if you can believe that.
Jokes aside, it’s not a bad idea. There are teams that can actually use Madrigal if he can stay healthy and on the field - and he won’t cost that much. He’s under team control for 2 more years in arb and the Cubs trade demands can’t be that high. Maybe bench guy for bench guy or something like that.
 
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Riley Martin is interesting. A lot of teams would have interest, but the key is - could anyone keep him on their active roster all season? That’s the trade-off for the R5 draft. That essentially takes every contender fully out play and most teams in the middle. Would a team like the Marlins, White Sox, Rockies, A’s, etc. be willing/able to commit a 26-man roster spot to him all year?

As it stands now, the Cubs could easily add him, but the Cubs are also going to want to make additions and even after trimming dead weight, that could be a valuable 40-man slot.
All of those teams are terrible and going to stay terrible. Yes, they’d take Martin, is my guess.
 
All of those teams are terrible and going to stay terrible. Yes, they’d take Martin, is my guess.
I would normally agree, but there have been several pitchers I figured sure to be taken the last 2 R5s that weren’t, so we’ll see. Depending on who they tender, they do have some guys running out of options, so things could get tight on the 40, but damn they have some dead weight to cut first.
 
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Continuing with the obsessive Cody Bellinger watch, BN had a piece up this morning about the CFs who will be on the market. Bellinger would be the most attractive CF by far. Now, is he 5 years guaranteed attractive, that’s the hard part. Is he viewed as a CF and move to 1B in 2-3 years?
Harrison Bader and Michael Taylor are the two pure CFs on the market. Bellinger adds more than either of those two. I keep leaning towards Bellinger and Boras gambling on one desperate team giving a 5 year contract.
 
The Cubs were second in MLB with 24 runners thrown out at home this season. The Brewers lead the league with 27. Take out the top four teams and the league average was 14 runners thrown out at home.
The Cubs were second in the league in all runners thrown out in the league. So, it wasn’t just at home. They were getting thrown out a lot at 2nd and 3rd, too. That’s terrible, so my guess is Harris didn’t mutually decide to depart with the Cubs.
 
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Cubs legend Lee Smith had a heart transplant in July. I got an autographed ball from him a few years ago and got to BS with him in Scottsdale.
 
BN write up about the development of Moises Ballesteros, and how he tracks for 2025. Hint, maybe, but only if he pushes his way in, so expect to see the Cubs aggressively pursue a veteran for the MLB roster.
The article has clips of Ballesteros doing what he does best, smacking the ball around.
 
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BN write up about the development of Moises Ballesteros, and how he tracks for 2025. Hint, maybe, but only if he pushes his way in, so expect to see the Cubs aggressively pursue a veteran for the MLB roster.
The article has clips of Ballesteros doing what he does best, smacking the ball around.

 
I just read a story today that the Braves may offer their #5 prospect, a catcher, who is thought to MLB ready by this coming season for Hoerner to play SS for them. It kind of read like it might be a 1-for-1 swap, but just rumors.
 
Don't expect the Cubs to trade Nico Hoerner, he had flexor tendon surgery. No info on when the injury occurred, and how much of the season he played with the injury. At best he might return around ST.
https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2024/10/21/surprise-nico-hoerner-had-arm-surgery/
I don’t know any details about Nico’s specific injury, but I did research that surgery and it’s about 3 months to get full strength back (mid-January) and up to 6 months to get full range of motion back. Not sure what exactly that means for Nico, but clearly he has access to elite medical care/S&C compared to most people and he’s a high-level professional athlete. Hopefully he’ll be ready early in spring training and able to put the injury behind him.
 
Ballesteros had another solid week in the AFL going 6-14. Slugger Jonathan Long who is easing into prospect status was 5-15.
 
I don’t know any details about Nico’s specific injury, but I did research that surgery and it’s about 3 months to get full strength back (mid-January) and up to 6 months to get full range of motion back. Not sure what exactly that means for Nico, but clearly he has access to elite medical care/S&C compared to most people and he’s a high-level professional athlete. Hopefully he’ll be ready early in spring training and able to put the injury behind him.
I’m a Cubs and Hawkeye fan. Panic is my default setting. This does cloudy up the trade prospects, though. As mentioned, I’ve got no grudge against him, he just happens to be a moveable piece that a lot of teams should want, and he can be replaced internally. Probably not to the defensive level, but you’d get more offense.
 
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I’m a Cubs and Hawkeye fan. Panic is my default setting. This does cloudy up the trade prospects, though. As mentioned, I’ve got no grudge against him, he just happens to be a moveable piece that a lot of teams should want, and he can be replaced internally. Probably not to the defensive level, but you’d get more offense.
My main point on that is that while it might make a trade more complex, you have Nico under contract for 2 more seasons at a reasonable price and he can play SS, so unless a team really believes there’s a chance that this recovery for Nico is much worse than the normal “Everyman” standard, I’m not sure it’s going to change the value too much.
 
Don't expect the Cubs to trade Nico Hoerner, he had flexor tendon surgery. No info on when the injury occurred, and how much of the season he played with the injury. At best he might return around ST.
https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2024/10/21/surprise-nico-hoerner-had-arm-surgery/
The combination of injuries building up and the Cubs' staff inability to recognize them or address them properly this past year has been utterly ridiculous. Instead of replacing the 1st and 3rd base coaches, the Cubs should be replacing every athletic trainer in the organization.
 
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