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*******Official Cubs 2025 Thread*******

Send up your 6yo to call him cheap, clearly.
CSB a couple of my buddies were in a bar across from Wrigley after the last game of a season 10ish years ago and Tom came in and chatted with them. Very attentive and open to them even though they were loaded. Pretty sure that bar got ripped down to be the hotel.
 
The Cubs can be competitive, maybe even make the playoffs, as they are currently constructed. That’s enough to fill Wrigley and that’s all Ricketts cares about. There’s no ROI by bringing in a couple more high priced FAs. Ricketts is all about the money now.
They are constructed to win a weak Central, and maybe make a playoff run. Not a WS team, though.
Only the Reds seem to have gotten a shade better this offseason.
 
CSB a couple of my buddies were in a bar across from Wrigley after the last game of a season 10ish years ago and Tom came in and chatted with them. Very attentive and open to them even though they were loaded. Pretty sure that bar got ripped down to be the hotel.
I’ve actually never heard a bad story about a personal, face-to-face interaction with Tom. I’m sure there’s been something at some point and people have plenty of beef with politics and how he runs the team, but never a bad word on a personal interaction.
 
How do you do that, exactly?
Well, I’m a dodger fan obviously, when Frank McCourt was our owner, my family owned season tickets. He was a terrible owner and didn’t invest in the team and used it as his personal ATM machine.We sold our season tickets and didn’t support the team until he sold them. The Dodgers attendance during that era went from one of the top every year to middle of the pack under his ownership. Every year, your team makes the playoffs. You get more money for each round your advance and get percentages of the TV money. It’s in the team‘s best interest financially to be competitive you’re in your own you’ll make more money. The Cubs nationally are a very popular team and they are in a weak division. They should be winning that division year in and year out and give themselves an opportunity to advance through the playoff rounds. They could be very profitable if the ownership invested in, they’re on the field product.
 
For the record, NO MLB teams are losing money. That’s a farce. Owners love to bs the media and their fans with stories of financial woes. With revenue sharing all the teams give 48% of their revenue. This includes local TV revenue, parking, merchandise concessions, stadium attendance and advertising. Obviously, teams like the Yankees and Dodgers lead the league in attendance every year and generate the most revenue, so the money they contribute is significantly more than teams like the Marlins and Rays. The money gets distributed back to the clubs and typically averages out to $150 million dollars a year PER club. The purpose is to encourage those lesser teams to invest that money in their teams. Sadly, many choose not to. The Dodgers and Yankees made nearly half a billion dollars in revenue and contributed almost half of to the pseudo-socialist system, losing about a hundred million in the process. They both continue to spend in the off season, because winning is profitable. Demand and expect more from your owner. MLB is better when the Cubs are good!
Correct, but why risk spending another 50 million. When you know revenues will be about the same.
 
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Do think it’s ridiculous considering all of the money the public is required to spend on stadiums and facilities to keep franchises. That mlb teams aren’t required a certain level of spending. The books should be open.
Does seem to be a salary cap fight brewing though. Hopefully the mega teams find themselves alone. Instead of digging in and losing a season. Although if it requires giving up a season for a hard cap. I’m for it.
 
When is the Cubs ownership going to stop being cheap and sign some free agents? The Central is weak and ripe for the taking. Flaherty could be had for cheap on a 2-3 year deal. He's an innings eater and shores up a rotation that had injury issues last year. The Cubs have an obvious hole at 3rd and Bregman fills that. Pay him or someone else is going to, and you’ll be stuck with Berti or a rookie at the hot corner. Ricketts likes to pretend that he’s poor. He worth like 2 1/2 billion dollars! The Cubs make him money every year. Put that money back into your team. No reason the Cubs shouldn’t be a 90+ win playoff team this season.
Lol at saying they should sign Bregman.
 
Well, I’m a dodger fan obviously, when Frank McCourt was our owner, my family owned season tickets. He was a terrible owner and didn’t invest in the team and used it as his personal ATM machine.We sold our season tickets and didn’t support the team until he sold them. The Dodgers attendance during that era went from one of the top every year to middle of the pack under his ownership. Every year, your team makes the playoffs. You get more money for each round your advance and get percentages of the TV money. It’s in the team‘s best interest financially to be competitive you’re in your own you’ll make more money. The Cubs nationally are a very popular team and they are in a weak division. They should be winning that division year in and year out and give themselves an opportunity to advance through the playoff rounds. They could be very profitable if the ownership invested in, they’re on the field product.
The ole' boycott. Sounds familiar. Many fans think that's the answer to Hawkeye football, too. If fans stop showing up, I'm sure the Cubs will build up a $300M payroll, too.
 
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The ole' boycott. Sounds familiar. Many fans think that's the answer to Hawkeye football, too. If fans stop showing up, I'm sure the Cubs will build up a $300M payroll, too.
It worked in LA. Since Frank McCourt sold the team in 2012, the Dodgers have made the post season every year and won their division 11 times. They take that post season bonus revenue and re-invest it in their team year in and year out. That how owners are supposed to run things.
 
Cubs talking with Padres about Cease. Think he is someone I’d try to extend.
 
Lol at saying they should sign Bregman.
Now I’m not a fan of Bregman the person (he was on the 2017 Trashstros), but objectively he’s the best available 3B option. He’s relatively young (30) and has some decent pop in his bat. He’s solid defensively and there’s familiarity with Kyle Tucker. He’s an upgrade over your current options at the hot corner and really lengthens that starting lineup IMHO.
 
Cubs talking with Padres about Cease. Think he is someone I’d try to extend.
Reportedly, the ask on Cease is really high - like Shaw plus more for a 1-year rental. Obviously, that’s not going to happen. Will be interesting to see if a deal for Cease or King gets done. Both would be rentals.
 
Now I’m not a fan of Bregman the person (he was on the 2017 Trashstros), but objectively he’s the best available 3B option. He’s relatively young (30) and has some decent pop in his bat. He’s solid defensively and there’s familiarity with Kyle Tucker. He’s an upgrade over your current options at the hot corner and really lengthens that starting lineup IMHO.
Like Alonzo, appears he overplayed his hand.
 
At least give a team such as Milwaukee a chance to hold onto studs past their Arby cut off.
Attansio purchased the Brewers for $223 million. The team is currently worth 1.6 billion dollars. Don’t let these owners cry poor. They are cheap asses that don’t care about winning. A cap/floor won’t change that. The Brewers understand how to develop talent. They’ve been a playoff team plenty of times, but they refuse to ever go all in. Their window appears to be closing with the loss of Burnes and recently Adames. Cubs should take over that division.
 
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I will never understand the Cub's approach.

They could/should dominate that division.
Cubs still out spend Milwaukee 2 to 1 every year. So it’s not everything. Unless you also have the Dodgers scouting to go with it. The Cubs have been bad at developing talent.
 
I will never understand the Cub's approach.

They could/should dominate that division.
Especially with the Cardinals being so bad with no end in sight. How fun was 2016 and 2017 with the Dodgers and Cubs battling it out in the NLCS in back to back years? Fans everywhere want to see that, it’s good for baseball.
 
Cubs still out spend Milwaukee 2 to 1 every year. So it’s not everything. Unless you also have the Dodgers scouting to go with it. The Cubs have been bad at developing talent.
Sometimes it’s a little opportunistic luck. The Michael Busch trade appeared 1 sided towards the Cubs initially, but with Shohei and Freddie there wasn’t anywhere for him to play. (OF and 3B didn’t work out). Busch fits perfect at 1B for the Cubs. Jackson Ferris and Zyhir Hope are now top 40 mlb prospects and both in the Dodgers top 5. They were both scouted and developed by the Cubs, and could be big contributors in the majors by 2026. We loved Michael Busch, but he’s simply a better fit for the Cubs with their current rosters.
 
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I’d be interested to see how much revenue the big spenders (Dodgers, Phillies, etc.) bring in through playoff appearances vs. the amount they’re spending on player payroll.

It’s obvious the Ricketts don’t see the value. They could easily add a couple top free agents to this squad and destroy the NLC.
 
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Reportedly, the ask on Cease is really high - like Shaw plus more for a 1-year rental. Obviously, that’s not going to happen. Will be interesting to see if a deal for Cease or King gets done. Both would be rentals.
Padres always start high. Bottom line they have to move one of the pitchers. Arreaz is owed 14 million and can really only play 1st or DH. Not much power. So they’d most likely have to take a 6 million or so contract back with hm. Best case you move 8 million and don’t get much of a prospect in return. Because no one will extend him or give a qualifying offer.
With one of the pitchers you can argue the other team can extend him or give a qualifying offer. Plus most likely wouldn’t have to take salary back making the return quality more difficult.
 
I’d be interested to see how much revenue the big spenders (Dodgers, Phillies, etc.) bring in through playoff appearances vs. the amount they’re spending on player payroll.

It’s the obvious the Ricketts don’t see the value. They could easily add a couple top free agents to this squad and destroy the NLC.
Lots of these teams spread the risk as well. Have multiple stakes in partnerships. Easier to justify spending when you are only responsible for part of the risk.
 
Sometimes it’s a little opportunistic luck. The Michael Busch trade appeared 1 sided towards the Cubs initially, but with Shohei and Freddie there wasn’t anywhere for him to play. (OF and 3B didn’t work out). Busch fits perfect at 1B for the Cubs. Jackson Ferris and Zyhir Hope are now top 40 mlb prospects and both in the Dodgers top 5. They were both scouted and developed by the Cubs, and could be big contributors in the majors by 2026. We loved Michael Busch, but he’s simply a better fit for the Cubs with their current rosters.
Agree brewers got lucky grabbing Contreras too. But I’m saying since the Ship for the Cubs. Overall they haven’t been good at it. Hence why the brewers have been getting in there every other year.
 
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I’d be interested to see how much revenue the big spenders (Dodgers, Phillies, etc.) bring in through playoff appearances vs. the amount they’re spending on player payroll.

It’s obvious the Ricketts don’t see the value. They could easily add a couple top free agents to this squad and destroy the NLC.
Ask and you shall receive

 
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Reportedly, the ask on Cease is really high - like Shaw plus more for a 1-year rental. Obviously, that’s not going to happen. Will be interesting to see if a deal for Cease or King gets done. Both would be rentals.
I think Brett Taylor had a good package of the Padres getting 1 pitcher from the Wicks/Assad/Brown bucket, and either Cassie or Alcantara. If the Cubs balk on the position player it would have to go to more prospects going to the Padres.
 
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Padres always start high. Bottom line they have to move one of the pitchers. Arreaz is owed 14 million and can really only play 1st or DH. Not much power. So they’d most likely have to take a 6 million or so contract back with hm. Best case you move 8 million and don’t get much of a prospect in return. Because no one will extend him or give a qualifying offer.
With one of the pitchers you can argue the other team can extend him or give a qualifying offer. Plus most likely wouldn’t have to take salary back making the return quality more difficult.
I think Arraez is the least valuable batting champ ever. He’s so limited defensively. With the Cubs Busch is a better 1st basemen, so that leaves you with a singles hitting DH (lots of bloop singles and slow hit ground balls) Arraez’s exit velo is well below average. He was good with the Padres because he had Tatis and Machado hitting behind him and they didn’t have an established 1B (they had been using Cronenworth there, then moved him back to 2nd). Michael King is a stud (better than Cease IMHO). If you can get him for prospects, do it. He’s not going to command a record deal in 2026. Trade for him and sign him to an extension. He’d be a great fit in that rotation.
 
I think Arraez is the least valuable batting champ ever. He’s so limited defensively. With the Cubs Busch is a better 1st basemen, so that leaves you with a singles hitting DH (lots of bloop singles and slow hit ground balls) Arraez’s exit velo is well below average. He was good with the Padres because he had Tatis and Machado hitting behind him and they didn’t have an established 1B (they had been using Cronenworth there, then moved him back to 2nd). Michael King is a stud (better than Cease IMHO). If you can get him for prospects, do it. He’s not going to command a record deal in 2026. Trade for him and sign him to an extension. He’d be a great fit in that rotation.
He’s slow as well. As you said you need absolute mashers hitting behind him. Doubles aren’t going to get him home.
 
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I think Brett Taylor had a good package of the Padres getting 1 pitcher from the Wicks/Assad/Brown bucket, and either Cassie or Alcantara. If the Cubs balk on the position player it would have to go to more prospects going to the Padres.
I'd hate to lose Alcantara - I don't think Cassie will make enough contact. He has improved a lot overall in a couple years so he might but I think Alcantara's floor is a lot higher and ceilings are similar. Don't want brown to go either. I'd be OK with Assad or Wicks and Cassie for King or Cease.
 
I think Brett Taylor had a good package of the Padres getting 1 pitcher from the Wicks/Assad/Brown bucket, and either Cassie or Alcantara. If the Cubs balk on the position player it would have to go to more prospects going to the Padres.
That’s what I’ve seen discussed more for King than Caissie…but if that same package would get Cease, I’d be good with that.
 
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I would still be shocked if the Cubs are serious players for Bregman. I know it frustrates some, but Jed has budget, and he always saves about $10 million for in season moves. It’s like Iowa football. I can be mad at Kirk for being so conservative, but it isn’t changing. Tom keeps Jed to that budget.
The wiggle room I suppose is Nico. Can he, or someone else be moved? Otherwise you only have in house moves available once the season starts, or dollar for dollar trades.
 
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