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**** Official Israel War thread****



‎A few reflections on the march against antisemitism today, the biggest since the Battle of Cable Street.
‎There was not a single masked face; not a single act of intimidation or vandalism; not a single call for death or genocide; not a single desecration of our monuments or statutes; and not a single bad-tempered interaction with the police. (I did however see a placard about chicken soup, one about Jewish mothers not being monsters, one asking people to become anti-Marmite rather than antisemite, and one declaring a desire for a Jewish husband, including a phone number.)
‎It was all very good-humoured and moving. The police were there to protect those attending, not to defend society against them. Officers were all smiles and everything was smooth and easy. The ⁦‪@metpoliceuk‬⁩ was thanked at the end, as was the glorious ⁦‪@CST_UK‬⁩.
‎I especially valued seeing the proud Iranians there, flying their flags and standing shoulder-to-shoulder with Israel and Jews against fanatical jihadism and the theocratic regime in Tehran.
‎Old Tommy Robinson was carted off shortly after he arrived, and good riddance. As the march got going, the atmosphere was at times quite quiet. We ordinary folk are not activists. We are not used to this sort of thing, did not have ready-made chants and felt a little embarrassed by raising our voices. When we did, however, we called for the release of the hostages, the prosecution of those guilty of hate crimes and peace. ⁦‪@Roxanna04749331‬⁩ and I overcame our Englishness to lead several rounds of “bring them home.” We were slightly over-caffeinated. We sang traditional Jewish songs asserting the right of the people of Israel simply to live and calling for peace. One poignant sign read “I’m allowed to be proud of being Jewish,” as if the bearer was almost trying to convince himself.
‎In Parliament Square, the statue of Winston Churchill stooped above us like an ally. There were many chants and songs for peace, repeated frequently and with much feeling. In the ⁦‪@chiefrabbi‬⁩’s wonderful and moving speech, which stood out magnificently from the rest, he made it utterly clear that every innocent Palestinian death — fetishised by Hamas — is a tragedy. He made it clear that this was a war that Israel did not ask for or want, and we raised a universal prayer for peace.
‎We did feel the absence of political support. It was wonderful to see ⁦‪@TomTugendhat‬⁩, ⁦‪@RobertJenrick‬⁩, ⁦‪@peterkyle‬⁩ and others, but there should have been so many more politicians standing up for Jews, including party leaders and front benchers. It was also baffling to see that while the ⁦‪@JLC_UK‬⁩ came out to bat, the ⁦‪@BoardofDeputies‬⁩ failed dismally to wholeheartedly support the rally. This shouldn’t have been controversial. It was a matter of fundamental British and Jewish values.
‎But let’s not focus on the negatives. I can say with all confidence that not one of the 105,000 people there wished anything but peace and prosperity to Palestinians and Muslims. There were no hate chants, no calls for violence and absolutely no racism. If there were any extremists there, I didn’t see them and they were utterly insignificant in number.
‎On the streets today were people from all backgrounds, religions and walks of life. There were many bobble hats. (Many excellent ⁦‪@JewishChron‬⁩ people.) This was unmistakably the silent majority finally discovering its voice. There was much camaraderie and good humour. One lady gave my step-daughter a yellow ribbon to demand the release of the hostages, and tied it into her hair. Many people recognised me and expressed their love and support. It was a unification of Jews and non-Jews alike, marching in favour of tolerance, freedom, liberalism and justice. And standing against jihadism.
‎Great Britain: 105,000 of you turned up in the cold and wet today and did us bloody proud. We can all hold our heads a little higher tonight. Thank you ⁦‪@antisemitism‬⁩, led by the heroic ⁦‪@gideonfalter‬⁩, for organising such a powerful and historic moment. עם ישראלַ חי
 
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“Pro Palestine movement since Oct 7:

Tearing down hostage signs

Harassing Jewish students on campus

Destroying property (synagogues, stores , homes, etc) of Jewish people

Calling for genocide : “from the river to the sea”

Killing a Jewish man

These are all acts of terror and we don’t need to have it get worse.”
 
President Biden is the why of the current hostages released and for the current ceasefire. We have no chance with a dumb**** Trump in office. Vote accordingly.
 
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U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken told Israel that it lacks “credit” to conduct the kind of military campaign necessary to defeat Hamas, saying that the Biden administration would not tolerate large-scale bombing over months in southern Gaza.

Blinken’s remarks were leaked to the Israeli press. The Times of Israel quoted a transcript of his meeting with Israel’s war cabinet:

Blinken: You can’t operate in southern Gaza in the way you did in the north. There are two million Palestinians there. You need to evacuate fewer people from their homes, be more accurate in the attacks, not hit UN facilities, and ensure that there are enough protected areas [for civilians]. And if not? Then not to attack where there is a civilian population. What is your system of operation?

IDF Chief Herzi Halevi: We follow a number of principles — proportionality, distinction, and the laws of war. There were instances where we attacked on the basis of those principles, and instances where we decided not to attack, because we waited for a better opportunity.

Defense Minister Yoav Gallant: The entire Israeli society is united behind the goal of dismantling Hamas, even if it takes months.

Blinken: I don’t think you have the credit for that.

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U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken told Israel that it lacks “credit” to conduct the kind of military campaign necessary to defeat Hamas, saying that the Biden administration would not tolerate large-scale bombing over months in southern Gaza.

Blinken’s remarks were leaked to the Israeli press. The Times of Israel quoted a transcript of his meeting with Israel’s war cabinet:

Blinken: You can’t operate in southern Gaza in the way you did in the north. There are two million Palestinians there. You need to evacuate fewer people from their homes, be more accurate in the attacks, not hit UN facilities, and ensure that there are enough protected areas [for civilians]. And if not? Then not to attack where there is a civilian population. What is your system of operation?

IDF Chief Herzi Halevi: We follow a number of principles — proportionality, distinction, and the laws of war. There were instances where we attacked on the basis of those principles, and instances where we decided not to attack, because we waited for a better opportunity.

Defense Minister Yoav Gallant: The entire Israeli society is united behind the goal of dismantling Hamas, even if it takes months.

Blinken: I don’t think you have the credit for that.

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What an effing douchebag. Unbelievable.
 
Perhaps the biggest and most ominous development in terms of what the future holds is seen in Israeli officials' words to Financial Times. The Netanyahu is planning for a "long war" which could reach over the next year or more. FT writes in a new report:

Israel is planning a campaign against Hamas that will stretch for a year or more, with the most intensive phase of the ground offensive continuing into early 2024, according to several people familiar with the preparations. The multi-phase strategy envisages Israeli forces, who are garrisoned inside north Gaza, making an imminent push deep into the south of the besieged Palestinian enclave.

The goals include killing the three top Hamas leaders — Yahya Sinwar, Mohammed Deif and Marwan Issa — while securing “a decisive” military victory against the group’s 24 battalions and underground tunnel network and destroying its “governing capability in Gaza”.

“This will be a very long war . . . We’re currently not near halfway to achieving our objectives,” said one person familiar with the Israeli war plans. Israel’s overall strategy for Gaza is flexible, with timing dictated by multiple “clocks”, including operational progress on the ground, international pressure and opportunities to free Israeli hostages, the people said.
 
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UNITED NATIONS (AP) — The United States vetoed a United Nations resolution Friday backed by almost all other Security Council members and dozens of other nations demanding an immediate humanitarian cease-fire in Gaza. Supporters called it a terrible day and warned of more civilian deaths and destruction as the war goes into its third month.

The vote in the 15-member council was 13-1, with the United Kingdom abstaining. The United States' isolated stand reflected a growing fracture between Washington and some of its closest allies over Israel's monthslong bombardment of Gaza. France and Japan were among those supporting the call for a cease-fire.
 
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UNITED NATIONS (AP) — The United States vetoed a United Nations resolution Friday backed by almost all other Security Council members and dozens of other nations demanding an immediate humanitarian cease-fire in Gaza. Supporters called it a terrible day and warned of more civilian deaths and destruction as the war goes into its third month.

The vote in the 15-member council was 13-1, with the United Kingdom abstaining. The United States' isolated stand reflected a growing fracture between Washington and some of its closest allies over Israel's monthslong bombardment of Gaza. France and Japan were among those supporting the call for a cease-fire.
The fact that Hamas is condemning this security council vote by the USA tells me all I need to know.
 
This thread got real quiet.

UNITED NATIONS (AP) — The United States vetoed a United Nations resolution Friday backed by almost all other Security Council members and dozens of other nations demanding an immediate humanitarian cease-fire in Gaza. Supporters called it a terrible day and warned of more civilian deaths and destruction as the war goes into its third month.

The vote in the 15-member council was 13-1, with the United Kingdom abstaining. The United States' isolated stand reflected a growing fracture between Washington and some of its closest allies over Israel's monthslong bombardment of Gaza. France and Japan were among those supporting the call for a cease-fire.

I love an organization that spends billions of dollars arguing over resolutions.
 

Israel Begins Pumping Seawater Into Hamas’s Gaza Tunnels​

Early effort to flood tunnels is one of several techniques aimed at destroying network that underpins Hamas’s operations​

Israeli soldiers in an underground tunnel beneath a hospital in Gaza City in November. Israel says Hamas militants used the tunnel.

Israeli soldiers in an underground tunnel beneath a hospital in Gaza City in November. Israel says Hamas militants used the tunnel. VICTOR R. CAIVANO/ASSOCIATED PRESS

By Nancy A. Youssef, Carrie Keller-Lynn, Michael R. Gordon and Dov Lieber
Updated Dec. 12, 2023

Israel’s military has begun pumping seawater into Hamas’s vast complex of tunnels in Gaza, according to U.S. officials briefed on the Israeli military’s operations, part of an intensive effort to destroy the underground infrastructure that has underpinned the group’s operations.

The move to flood the tunnels with water from the Mediterranean, which is in an early stage, is one of several techniques Israel is using to try to clear and destroy the tunnels.

A spokesperson for the Israeli defense minister declined to comment, saying the tunnel operations are classified.

Israeli officials say that Hamas’s underground system has been key to its operations on the battlefield. The tunnel system, they say, is used by Hamas to maneuver fighters across the battlefield and store the group’s rockets and munitions, and enables the group’s leaders to command and control their forces. Israel also believes some hostages are being held inside tunnels.

In reported recordings between Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and released hostages and their families leaked last week, Israelis angrily told Netanyahu that they feared flooding the tunnels would kill their loved ones.

During a press conference Tuesday at the White House with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, a reporter asked President Biden about Israel’s flooding of the tunnels. The president didn’t address the Israeli approach directly but rather how flooding tunnels could affect the more than 100 hostages still held by Hamas.

Biden said that assertions have been made that “there are no hostages in any of these tunnels…But I don’t know that for a fact.” The president didn’t elaborate.

The utility of using seawater in a vast underground labyrinth that extends for roughly 300 miles and includes thick blast doors is still being evaluated by the Israelis, according to U.S. officials.

Flooding the tunnels, which would likely be a weekslong process, began around the time Israel added two more pumps to the five pumps installed last month and conducted some initial tests, U.S. officials said.

Some Biden administration officials have been concerned that using seawater might not be effective and could endanger Gaza’s freshwater supply. Egypt in 2015 used seawater to flood tunnels operated by smugglers under the Rafah border crossing with Gaza, prompting complaints from nearby farmers about damaged crops.

But other U.S. officials say the technique might help destroy portions of the tunnel network. The Wall Street Journal has previously reported that flooding the tunnels with seawater was under consideration.

Military analysts have assessed that Israel hasn’t destroyed most of this tunnel network and that a variety of techniques will be needed to destroy or damage the underground system. In addition to the seawater, the Israeli military has sought to attack the network with airstrikes and liquid explosives, and by sending in robots, dogs and drones.

Israel’s military said it was intensifying operations underground in northern Gaza and beneath the southern city of Khan Younis, one of Hamas’s last strongholds. The underground labyrinth remains one of Israel’s main challenges to achieving its goal of destroying Hamas’s military capabilities both in areas it controls above ground and those where it so far hasn’t operated. The tunnels under the southern city of Rafah near the Egyptian border for example, analysts say, are used by Hamas to smuggle most of its weapons into Gaza.

Israel’s military has been reluctant to send soldiers underground, where they would lose their tactical firepower advantage and encounter booby-traps.

Speaking from Khan Younis on Monday, Israel’s top general, Herzi Halevi, said, “We are deepening our control over northern Gaza and our penetration into the southern strip, and also deepening activity underground.”

Israel has control of around 40% of the coastal enclave above ground, according to military analysts, who say that Hamas’s tunnels pose the greater obstacle.

“The territorial issue is not the issue, the problem is Hamas is going underground,” said former Israeli military intelligence chief Amos Yadlin.

Even in the areas that Israel has taken, “the subterranean [theater] continues to be the challenge,” said Miri Eisin, a retired colonel in Israel’s military intelligence.

Israel’s forces have encircled Jabalia in northern Gaza and the Shujaiya neighborhood of Gaza City, where it says Hamas keeps some of its fiercest fighters. Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant said Monday evening that northern Gaza was at its “breaking point” and that Hamas was “on the verge of collapse” there.

Israel’s definition of control means having broken Hamas’s formal command structure, Eisin said, including dismantling the militant group’s battalions and reducing its members to operating as individuals at a very local level.

The spokesman for Hamas’s armed wing, Abu Ubaida, said Sunday that the group’s fighters had been able to repel Israeli forces in the strip.

Israeli military analysts say that taking control of Khan Younis would trap Hamas’s remaining aboveground fighters between Israeli positions in northern and southern Gaza as well as between the Khan Younis area and the Egyptian border area. Israel hopes that Hamas’s weak fighting position and the killing of around half of the group’s battalion commanders will spur lower-level fighters to surrender en masse.

Hamas can prevent that outcome, military analysts say, by holding out underneath Gaza until Israel is forced into a cease-fire, either by international pressure or in negotiations to release the hostages still held by Hamas or other groups.

Israeli military spokesman Daniel Hagari said Monday evening that more than 500 militants had surrendered to Israeli forces in the past month and that half of them were taken for further questioning in Israel.

Hamas has denied that militants have surrendered and said Israeli forces have arrested civilians.

Israel, though, is unlikely to achieve its war goal of returning the almost 140 hostages still held by Hamas directly through force, Eisin added.

Israeli officials estimate the country’s military has killed at least 7,000 Hamas militants since the start of the war on Oct. 7, when militants from Gaza killed 1,200 people in southern Israel, according to Israeli authorities
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https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israel-hamas-war-pumping-seawater-gaza-tunnels-2ed3b3f2
 
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Cambridge Springs, Pa. (WJET/WFXP/YourErie.com) — Around 300 soldiers from the Cambridge Springs-based 2nd Battalion, 112th Infantry of the Pennsylvania Army National Guard have been called up to be deployed.

That’s according to Travis Mueller, a spokesperson from the National Guard.

Mueller stated the soldiers will leave for two to three weeks of training later this month, and will then depart for a nine-month deployment in the Horn of Africa.


They are part of 1,000 members of the 56th Stryker Brigade Combat Team being deployed to this region who will be working alongside the U.S. Africa Command, NATO and other international partners doing force protection and crisis response in the region.
 
CNN —
Israel’s military has repeatedly attacked the US-backed Lebanese army to the north over the past two months, prompting alarm in the Biden administration and sharp rebukes from top US officials to Israeli leadership.

The Israelis have struck Lebanese Armed Forces positions more than 34 times since October 7, including with small arms and artillery fire, drones and helicopters, according to US officials, a regional security source, and a list of the incidents compiled by the US and reviewed by CNN.

The Biden administration has told Israel that the strikes are unacceptable, officials said. One senior US official said that the US believes at least some of those strikes have been accidental, intended instead for the powerful Shiite Lebanese militant group Hezbollah which also operates along the Lebanon-Israel border and has been hitting Israeli military positions. But the intention of other strikes has been less clear, the official said, and more junior Israeli troops may not be exercising enough restraint.

But the scope of the incidents, which has not been previously reported, has frustrated US officials because the US believes the LAF will need to be part of any eventual diplomatic solution between Israel and Lebanon to quiet the current violence. The US is also deeply concerned that the conflict between Israel and Hamas in Gaza could expand to the north, and US officials have been working with Israel and Lebanon to try to contain the war.

“The United States has been clear we do not want to see this conflict spread to Lebanon and we continue to urge the Israelis do all they can to be targeted and avoid civilians, civilian infrastructure, civilian farmland, the UN, and the Lebanese Armed Forces,” a spokesperson for the White House’s National Security Council told CNN. “The United States is proud of its partnership with the LAF, an essential institution, not only to the stability and security of Lebanon, but of the entire region.”

A spokesperson for the Israel Defense Forces told CNN on Friday that any harm caused “to other forces is unintentional.”

“In response to Hezbollah’s aggression, the IDF strikes the terrorist organization’s military infrastructure and works to eliminate any threat to the State of Israel,” IDF spokeperson Nir Dinar said.

“Any harm to civilians and other forces is unintentional. Such incidents are reviewed in order to improve operational precautions and to ensure accountability when necessary,” Dinar added
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Should the Red Sea warzone get its own thread? It has quite a different set of players.


LONDON (AP) — A U.S. warship shot down 14 suspected attack drones over the Red Sea on Saturday, and a Royal Navy destroyer downed another drone that was targeting commercial ships, the British and American militaries said.

Houthi rebels in Yemen have launched a series of attacks on vessels in the Red Sea, one of the world’s busiest shipping routes, and have launched drones and missiles targeting Israel, as the Israel-Hamas war threatens to spread.

U.S. Central Command said that the destroyer USS Carney “successfully engaged 14 unmanned aerial systems” launched from Houthi-controlled areas of Yemen.

U.K. Defense Secretary Grant Shapps said that HMS Diamond fired a Sea Viper missile and destroyed a drone that was “targeting merchant shipping.” The overnight action is the first time the Royal Navy has shot down an aerial target in anger since the 1991 Gulf War.


Shapps said attacks on commercial ships in the global trade artery by Yemen’s Houthi rebels “represent a direct threat to international commerce and maritime security.”

“The U.K. remains committed to repelling these attacks to protect the free flow of global trade,” he said in a statement.

HMS Diamond was sent to the region two weeks ago as a deterrent, joining vessels from the U.S., France and other countries.

Global shipping has become a target during the war between Israel and Hamas, which like the Houthis is backed by Iran.

Houthi rebels said they fired a barrage of drones on Saturday toward the port city of Eilat in southern Israel. The announcement came hours after Egypt’s state-run media reported that Egyptian air defense had shot down a “flying object” off the Egyptian resort town of Dahab on the Red Sea.

Israeli-linked vessels also have been targeted, but the threat to trade has grown as container ships and oil tankers flagged to countries like Norway and Liberia have been attacked or drawn missile fire while traversing the waterway between Africa and the Arabian Peninsula.

Earlier this month, three commercial ships in the Red Sea were struck by ballistic missiles fired from Houthi-controlled Yemen. A U.S. warship shot down three drones during the assault, the U.S. military said.

French container shipping line CMA CGM Group said Saturday it had ordered all its vessels scheduled to pass through the Red Sea to “pause their journey in safe waters with immediate effect until further notice.”

On Friday Maersk, the world’s biggest shipping company, also told all its vessels planning to pass through the Bab el-Mandeb Strait in the Red Sea to stop their journeys after a missile attack on a Liberian-flagged cargo ship. German-based shipper Hapag-Lloyd said it was pausing all its container ship traffic through the Red Sea until Monday.
 
WASHINGTON (AP) — Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin has ordered the USS Gerald R. Ford aircraft carrier and one other warship to remain in the Mediterranean Sea for several more weeks to maintain a two-carrier presence near Israel as its war with Hamas grinds on, U.S. officials said.

It would be the third time the Ford's deployment has been extended, underscoring the continued concerns about volatility in the region during Israel's war in Gaza. The U.S. has two aircraft carriers in the region, a rarity in recent years.

Multiple U.S. officials confirmed the longer deployments approved this week for the Ford and the USS Normandy cruiser on condition of anonymity because they have not yet been made public. Other ships in the Ford's strike group had already had their deployments extended.

The Pentagon ramped up its military presence in the region after Hamas' Oct. 7 attacks to deter Iran from widening the war into a regional conflict. In the months since, Iranian-backed militants in Iraq and Syria have seized on the war to conduct regular attacks with rockets, drones and missiles on U.S. military installations there.

At the same time, U.S. warships in the Red Sea have intercepted incoming missiles fired toward Israel from areas of Yemen controlled by Iranian-backed Houthi rebels. They've also shot down one-way attack drones headed toward the ships and responded to calls for assistance from commercial vessels that have come under persistent Houthi attacks near the narrow Bab el-Mandeb Strait.

As of Friday, there are 19 U.S. warships in the region, including seven in the eastern Mediterranean and 12 more stretched down the Red Sea, across the Arabian Sea and up into the Persian Gulf.

Austin ordered the Ford and its strike group to sail to the eastern Mediterranean on Oct. 8, a day after the attack by Hamas that set off the war.

The decision to keep the Ford — the Navy's newest aircraft carrier — in the region comes as Israel's defense minister, Yoav Gallant, said Thursday it will take months to destroy Hamas, predicting a drawn-out war.

U.S. national security adviser Jake Sullivan met with Israeli leaders to discuss a timetable for winding down major combat in Gaza, but they repeated their determination to press the fight until Hamas is crushed.

The Ford's roughly 5,000 sailors have been waiting for a Pentagon decision on whether they would get to go home for the holidays. The ship left Norfolk, Virginia, in early May to deploy to U.S. European Command, and
under its original schedule it would have been home by early November.
The original plan was for the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower aircraft carrier strike group to replace the Ford in the region. But Sabrina Singh, in a Pentagon briefing on Oct. 17, said Austin had decided to extend the Ford's deployment and have both the Eisenhower and Ford covering the waters from southern Europe to the Middle East.

U.S. military commanders have long touted the effectiveness of American aircraft carriers as a deterrent, including against attacks, hijackings and other aggressive behavior by Iran and its ships, including strikes on commercial ships in the Red Sea by the Houthis.

Officials said the plan is to keep the Ford there for several more weeks.

The Eisenhower is in the Gulf of Oman and has been patrolling in the Middle East along with the USS Philippine Sea, a Navy cruiser. And three warships — the USS Carney, the USS Stethem and the USS Mason, all Navy destroyers — have been moving through the Bab el-Mandeb daily to help deter and respond to attacks from the Houthis.

Other ships that are part of the Ford's strike group include the destroyers USS Thomas Hudner, USS Ramage, USS Carney, and USS Roosevelt.

While the U.S. regularly maintained two aircraft carriers in the Middle East during the height of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, in recent years it has tried to turn its attention and naval presence to the Asia Pacific.
 
And the ones in Western countries / US? They could protest muslim on muslim violence and brutality. Why don’t they?

"Beginning in March 2011, Assad faced a significant challenge to his rule when antigovernment protests broke out in Syria, inspired by a wave of pro-democracy uprisings in the Middle East and North Africa. (See Arab Spring.) While Syrian security forces used lethal force against demonstrators, Assad offered a variety of concessions, first shuffling his cabinet and then announcing that he would seek to abolish Syria’s emergency law and its Supreme State Security Court, both of which were used to suppress political opposition."

Like this?
 
And the ones in Western countries / US? They could protest muslim on muslim violence and brutality. Why don’t they?

Or this?

 
And the ones in Western countries / US? They could protest muslim on muslim violence and brutality. Why don’t they?

I guess I'm curious why you think they don't? You watched one video? There also isn't one Middle Eastern country that is indiscriminately bombing another that receives billions of dollars in military funding like Israel does. That is the issue most people in the US have. If the US was funding Syria's military and Syria was indiscriminately bombing another country killing tens of thousands of civilians (in less than a month especially) there would 100% be a protest of that.
 
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And the ones in Western countries / US? They could protest muslim on muslim violence and brutality. Why don’t they?

Do you even know any Muslims? I have a bunch of Muslim friends of European, Middle Eastern and Southeast Asian descent and there is no way you'd know they were Muslim unless they told you and just like some Christians are very moderate or Muslim in name only. You should really leave your house sometime and stop with the Islamophobia.
 
I guess I'm curious why you think they don't? You watched one video? There also isn't one Middle Eastern country that is indiscriminately bombing another that receives billions of dollars in military funding like Israel does. That is the issue most people in the US have. If the US was funding Syria's military and Syria was indiscriminately bombing another country killing tens of thousands of civilians (in less than a month especially) there would 100% be a protest of that.
"Indiscriminately". I don't think you know what that word means.
 
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Hey everybody! If you don't want to fight leave now! Take this path where there will be no fighting! We will wait for 24 hours to give you time to get out! Then we will "indiscriminately" bomb the area!
You seem like a really smart guy

"in a way that does not show careful choice or planning, usually with harmful results:
They fired indiscriminately into the crowd."





 
You seem like a really smart guy

"in a way that does not show careful choice or planning, usually with harmful results:
They fired indiscriminately into the crowd."





Eh, maybe you're right. The good thing is it can end instantly if Hamas agrees that Israel has a right to exist and releases all hostages. Easy peasy but nobody wants to talk about that.
 
Eh, maybe you're right. The good thing is it can end instantly if Hamas agrees that Israel has a right to exist and releases all hostages. Easy peasy but nobody wants to talk about that.

I'm not sure Israel would stop if that happened. Israel and Netanyahu specifically are hell bent on the seizure of Palestine and the eradication of the Palestinian people. They/he are war criminals and need to be treated as such. If it really was about the hostages Israel wouldn't be killing the hostages. They were looking for any excuse to level Palestine.

 
Not impressed with the Biden administrations recent statements on this…
 
They say one thing, but then veto ceasefire and send more money and weapons to Israel. It's all a ruse by the Biden Administration as Israel's actions have minimal national/international support.
I’m more concerned with their recent statements that are condemning Israel…I think that is not the correct move at all. Israel needs more support not less.
 
They say one thing, but then veto ceasefire and send more money and weapons to Israel. It's all a ruse by the Biden Administration as Israel's actions have minimal national/international support.
Jesus Christ...go down in the sewers/tunnels and drown yourself with your fellow vermin.
 
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