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I want to know why the UN hasn’t defunded/cut ties/shut down this UNWRA group. It’s been pretty apparent they have close ties to Hamas in Gaza. Their schools reportedly teach anti Israel view points.
 
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HawkRCID said:
I want to know why the UN hasn’t defunded/cut ties/shut down this UNWRA group. It’s been pretty apparent they have close ties to Hamas in Gaza. Their schools reportedly teach anti Israel view points.
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Well what do you want them to teach? That white colonizers are their saviors? I can think of about 10,000 reasons that's not true.
 
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What’s your theory?
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My theory is that Jew hatred is a powerful and unifying force within Islam. The license for hating and murdering Jews comes directly from their source texts. Which they view as the word of God/Allah.

Muslims murdering and butchering other muslims just doesn’t raise the same passion.

Muslims have and will continue to murder other muslims for not being muslim enough and for any perceived slight against the Prophet. These have been true throughout the centuries.
 
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WestCoastHawkI said:
Do you even know any Muslims? I have a bunch of Muslim friends of European, Middle Eastern and Southeast Asian descent and there is no way you'd know they were Muslim unless they told you and just like some Christians are very moderate or Muslim in name only. You should really leave your house sometime and stop with the Islamophobia.
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Moderate Muslim? Oxymoron
 
WestCoastHawkI said:
Lol. "I never would have beat my wife if she hadn't run her mouth. It's her fault. She made me do this" 🙄
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JFC...are you this dense? Interesting that a hamas/muslim lover makes light of beating women!! For thousands of years, mooselimbs have perpetuated heinous, murderous attacks on any "infidels" they can find. When retaliation comes for their lawlessness.........they cry and bawl like the cowardly bitches they are.
 
BelemNole said:
Lots of good conversation in this thread about the idf gunning down hostages.
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Just think if they had been safe at home and not kidnapped and forced into Gaza?!! Just think if the IDF never had any reason to mobilize and roll into Gaza?!! Oops...I'm sorry I asked you to think....
 
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Just think if they had been safe at home and not kidnapped and forced into Gaza?!! Just think if the IDF never had any reason to mobilize and roll into Gaza?!! Oops...I'm sorry I asked you to think....
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You're right. What if Gaza didn't have to exist because Israel never illegally occupied Palestinian land and forced apartheid on the Palestinian people. What if?
 
WestCoastHawkI said:
You're right. What if Gaza didn't have to exist because Israel never illegally occupied Palestinian land and forced apartheid on the Palestinian people. What if?
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Basically every Muslim country in the Middle East is an apartheid state . Non Muslims are forced to pay extra taxes, have their property seized, expelled from their homes of thousand years.
If you want to talk about illegal occupation of people lands let’s talk about the fate of the Assyrians and Armenians . You are such a hypocrite.
Every Muslim majority state has separate status for non Muslims, the very definition of apartheid.
 
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TonyTheTiger.1865 said:
Basically every Muslim country in the Middle East is an apartheid state . Non Muslims are forced to pay extra taxes, have their property seized, expelled from their homes of thousand years.
If you want to talk about illegal occupation of people lands let’s talk about the fate of the Assyrians and Armenians . You are such a hypocrite.
Every Muslim majority state has separate status for non Muslims, the very definition of apartheid.
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It’s almost as if Turkey used to be 100% Christian.

Are muslims there colonizers? Should they all be forced to leave and let the few remaining native Christians take back over?
 
Update(1150ET): A US-led naval coalition is finally coming together to protect international shipping transit in the Red Sea and vital Bab al-Mandab Strait, per a breaking development from Politico's chief Pentagon correspondent: "The Pentagon is expected to announce tomorrow the formation of Operation Prosperity Guardian, a new task force to protect shipping from Houthi attacks in the Bab Al-Mandeb Strait and Red Sea, per DOD official," writes Lara Seligman on X.

"The operation will be within the framework of the existing Combined Maritime Force 153, a partnership of 39 nations focused on counter piracy and counter terrorism in the Red Sea."

Days ago it was reported that the Pentagon was looking to cobble together the 'broadest possible' coalition task force, amid what's now become daily Iran-backed Houthi attacks on commercial vessels. The Houthis have also launched rockets and drones into southern Israel at various times, triggering US warship intercepts.

 
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It has also emerged that Australia is expected to play a major role in Red Sea operations in the context of deepening ties with the US related to the AUKUS deal.

Australia is reportedly in talks with the Pentagon over a US request to send an Australian warship to the Red Sea to assist in dealing with Iran-backed Houthi rebels, who have been disrupting commercial shipping in the region and launching missile and drone strikes against US targets and their allies. This request comes just days after Congress passed laws enabling the sale of Virginia class submarines to Australia under the terms of the AUKUS pact.

The agreement marks just the second time that the United States has shared nuclear secrets with another country (on purpose, at least), so it appears that there is an element of “I scratch your back, you scratch mine” going on here. This is not without its complications, as many members of Australia’s political establishment (particularly within the ruling Labor Party) still cling to dreams of ‘strategic autonomy’ of the kind that doesn’t even work for Europe.

Their fear is that AUKUS, and an Australian warship shooting down drones in the Red Sea, further locks Australia in as an organ of US foreign policy, which it probably does. But really, this is par for the course and probably just the modern incarnation of Australia’s long-running policy of having ‘great and powerful friends’. Quite aside from the diplomatic horse-trading that accompanies it, disruption of shipping in the Red Sea is a big problem, and Europe has the most to lose. 150 years of supply chain improvement risks being unwound as major shipping companies redirect vessels around the Cape of Good Hope to avoid traversing the region to pass through the Suez Canal into the Mediterranean.

 
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We suspect the market is underestimating the impact that S&P Global's Jennifer Gnana, Kelly Norways, and Mohammed Al-ansare detail below,

  • Cape transport option adds 40% to voyage distance
  • Houthis targeting tankers, container, cargo shipping
  • Container rates rise to 2023 high

Major shipping companies paused transiting the Middle East's critical Bab al-Mandeb chokepoint for seaborne trade Dec. 15 after repeated attacks by Yemen's Houthi militants threatened to upend global trade flows.

Danish shipping giant A.P Moller-Maersk -- which accounts for 15% of the global container freight market -- suspended voyages passing through the Bab al-Mandeb until further notice. Hapag-Lloyd -- which controls 7% of the container market -- also paused traffic through the Red Sea until at least Dec. 18 after one of its ships was attacked by Houthis.

Hapag-Lloyd's Liberia-flagged Al Jasrah containership caught fire in the Red Sea on Dec. 15 after being hit by a missile from Houthi rebels in Yemen. The attack came a day after the Houthis attacked the Maersk ship Gibraltar on Dec 14 in a near-miss by a cruise missile.

The suspensions are the latest sign major ship charterers who in recent weeks have deployed armed guards to safeguard transit through Bab al-Mandeb are beginning to reconsider using the narrow strait through which 10% of global seaborne oil flows.

The Houthis have threatened to attack any ships with Israeli ownership or bound for one of the country’s ports. As a result, all commercial ships have come under attack, from car carriers to tankers and dry bulkers, including many with no obvious connection to Israeli trade.

"The pattern I see [in the] last few days is more attacks on all these container line big boys like MSC, Maersk, NYK Line, Hapag-Lloyd. If you scare them, then you stop hundreds of their ships," Luv Menghani, a shipbroker with Dubai-based BluePeak Commodities and Shipping, said.
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Maersk's instruction to its ships to avoid the Red Sea "suggests an escalation in the response to the Houthi attacks," Gregory Brew, an analyst with Eurasia Group, said.

"Yesterday's attacks suggest the Houthis are broadening their attacks are becoming more indiscriminate, rather than focusing just on ships owned by Israeli companies or bound for Israeli ports," he added.
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Trade Flows​

The 20-mile-wide Bab al-Mandeb -- which lies between the Horn of Africa and Gulf peninsula -- connects the Red Sea to the Gulf of Aden and the Arabian Sea. It accounted for 8.8 million b/d of total oil flows in the first half of 2023, according to the US Energy Information Administration. LNG shipments through the strait were 4.1 billion cf/d during the same period, EIA data showed.



The suspension of the Red Sea route by the two shipping companies followed a notice to their fleets on Dec. 14 to use the longer Cape of Good Hope as an option, a move that adds 40% to the voyage distance.

The ongoing conflict in the Middle East had already caused some carriers in the past few weeks to avoid the Suez Canal in the interest of security, with the accumulation of attacks from Yemeni rebels leading liner companies to re-route ships via the Cape of Good Hope (CGH) to avoid hostilities impacting container ship traffic in the Red Sea.

According to live AIS data tracking from S&P Global Commodities at Sea, Eastbound vessels MSC Diana and Zenith Lumos have traveled via the Cape of Good Hope as of Dec. 12, having trans-shipped in Tangier and Algeciras respectively.

On Westbound trade, the Maersk Camden, Maersk Campton and MSC Virgo have all diverted via the CGH, despite recent historical vessel tracking showing previous movements have been through the Red Sea and the Suez Canal.

With the Maersk and Hapag-Lloyd announcement, other carriers could be primed to follow suit in making public their stance against further Red Sea shipments whilst the situation is still volatile.

"Despite the complications it would cause with our shippers in terms of delivery and transit times, what is most important is the dialogue we have with our crew in our ships," a carrier source told S&P Global Commodity Insights.

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Freight forwarders are also increasing rates on shipments. For example, a container bound for the Middle East will now attract a war risk surcharge of $100/teu on dry and reefer cargo, according to a document seen by S&P Global.

Several carriers have begun to accrue war risk surcharges on passages through the Red Sea. Zim Integrated Shipping Services (Zim) -- an Israeli carrier based in Haifa -- has increased freight rates on its Asia-Mediterranean service to cover the rising costs of securing its vessels.

Container rates for key shipping lanes from North Asia westbound will likely be given increased support should more carriers follow suit. An estimated additional 10-15 days for delivery times could be seen in the market, stripping out already weak supply due to carriers pursuing aggressive blank sailing strategies in the build-up to the Lunar New Year period where demand increases.

Container rates for shipments from North Asia to the UK -- a route which uses the Red Sea and Suez Canal -- have hit record highs for 2023, according to assessments by S&P Global Platts.

The recent surge in attacks on the oil product tanker and container vessels moved the needle on oil prices. Platts-assessed Dated Brent up at $77.085/b on Dec. 15, up just under 1% on week.

Vandana Hari, founder of Singapore-based Vanda Insights said "shipping will often be the canary in the coalmine" with geopolitical tensions set to remain center-stage for 2024.



LPG flows​

The threat to shipping has also impacted charterers bound on shorter routes for Yemen.

Sources told S&P Global that ship charterers contracted to deliver liquefied petroleum gas to Yemen -- which has increased shipments of the fuel -- are reluctant to set sail due to fear of attack.

For example, an LPG vessel carrying a 44,000-ton cargo bound for Yemen and chartered by a Dubai-based company recently refused to set sail amid safety concerns from the crew, said the sources.

The crew's refusal to sail to Yemen comes amid an uptick in LPG buying by the war-torn country. Yemen received 46,000 tons of LPG in December, entirely from Iran, according to S&P Global Commodities at Sea. The LPG import is nearly double the volume of the last shipment Yemen received in July, shipping data showed.

With the latest escalation, tanker rates for Yemen are also rising, a shipbroking source said.

"One vessel below 15,000-ton dead weight, old built, transporting gasoline from the UAE to Hodeidah in Yemen used to charge $12,000-$13,000 per day. Now they charge $16,000-$17,000 per day," said the source.
 
Update (1215ET): Hamas has confirmed the death of high-ranking political official Seleh al-Arouri. There's been confirmation through various sources, including in Israeli media, yet the IDF has yet to take responsibility for the attack:

Hamas’s deputy leader abroad Saleh al-Arouri was killed in an Israeli strike in the Beirut suburb of Dahiyeh, the Hezbollah-linked al-Mayadeen reports.
...Based in Lebanon, al-Arouri, 57, was deputy head of the terror group’s political bureau and considered the de facto leader of Hamas’s military wing in the West Bank.
Israeli intelligence officials believe that al-Arouri also helped plan the June 2014 kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teens — Gil-ad Shaar, Eyal Yifrach and Naftali Fraenkel — as well as numerous other attacks.
He had served several terms in Israeli jails, and was released in March 2010 as part of efforts to reach a larger prisoner swap for Gilad Shalit, an IDF corporal kidnapped by Hamas in 2006

As both the founding commander of Hamas military wing, the Qassam Brigades, and as Deputy Chairman of the Political Bureau of Hamas, Arouri is among the highest ranking Hamas figures to have ever been assassinated by Israel.



An Al-Mayadeen correspondent in the southern suburbs of Beirut has said that six people in total were killed as a result of three missiles that struck the building from a low-flying Israeli drone.

This escalatory event has sparked new fears that Iran is about to get more deeply involved, as its Lebanese proxy Hezbollah has already escalated attacks on northern Israel, and is expected to further.

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There are breaking reports via Lebanese state media and AFP saying that Israel has conducted a strike against a Hamas office in a Beirut suburb.

Lebanese security sources have said a senior Palestinian official was killed in an explosion in Beirut's southern suburbs, which is also considered a Hezbollah stronghold. However, there is little that is verified at this point. According to breaking news wires:



Washington Post Beirut correspondent Sarah Dadouch has confirmed there was a large explosion in Beirut's Dahieh neighborhood, writing that "a Hezbollah spokesman told me a Palestinian official headquarters was targeted in Dahieh."

At statement in Lebanese state media further says it was an Israeli drone that targeted the Hamas office in Dahieh. Lebanese News Agency is reporting 4 dead and several wounded in the attack, as emergency personnel continue responding to the scene.

In prior major flare-ups in fighting between Palestinians and Israel, Israel's military has conducted such targeted operations on offices in Beirut, but this certainly will be seen as a major escalation by Hezbollah, which offers these Palestinian groups protection.

 
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Lol. "I never would have beat my wife if she hadn't run her mouth. It's her fault. She made me do this" 🙄
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Nice try but not even close. The palestinians didn't "run their mouths", they started a war with israel. I'll give you a better analogy. "I never would have killed my neighbor if he didn't break into my house, kill my wife and rape my daughter".
 
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Update (1215ET): Hamas has confirmed the death of high-ranking political official Seleh al-Arouri. There's been confirmation through various sources, including in Israeli media, yet the IDF has yet to take responsibility for the attack:

Hamas’s deputy leader abroad Saleh al-Arouri was killed in an Israeli strike in the Beirut suburb of Dahiyeh, the Hezbollah-linked al-Mayadeen reports.
...Based in Lebanon, al-Arouri, 57, was deputy head of the terror group’s political bureau and considered the de facto leader of Hamas’s military wing in the West Bank.
Israeli intelligence officials believe that al-Arouri also helped plan the June 2014 kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teens — Gil-ad Shaar, Eyal Yifrach and Naftali Fraenkel — as well as numerous other attacks.
He had served several terms in Israeli jails, and was released in March 2010 as part of efforts to reach a larger prisoner swap for Gilad Shalit, an IDF corporal kidnapped by Hamas in 2006

As both the founding commander of Hamas military wing, the Qassam Brigades, and as Deputy Chairman of the Political Bureau of Hamas, Arouri is among the highest ranking Hamas figures to have ever been assassinated by Israel.



An Al-Mayadeen correspondent in the southern suburbs of Beirut has said that six people in total were killed as a result of three missiles that struck the building from a low-flying Israeli drone.

This escalatory event has sparked new fears that Iran is about to get more deeply involved, as its Lebanese proxy Hezbollah has already escalated attacks on northern Israel, and is expected to further.

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There are breaking reports via Lebanese state media and AFP saying that Israel has conducted a strike against a Hamas office in a Beirut suburb.

Lebanese security sources have said a senior Palestinian official was killed in an explosion in Beirut's southern suburbs, which is also considered a Hezbollah stronghold. However, there is little that is verified at this point. According to breaking news wires:



Washington Post Beirut correspondent Sarah Dadouch has confirmed there was a large explosion in Beirut's Dahieh neighborhood, writing that "a Hezbollah spokesman told me a Palestinian official headquarters was targeted in Dahieh."

At statement in Lebanese state media further says it was an Israeli drone that targeted the Hamas office in Dahieh. Lebanese News Agency is reporting 4 dead and several wounded in the attack, as emergency personnel continue responding to the scene.

In prior major flare-ups in fighting between Palestinians and Israel, Israel's military has conducted such targeted operations on offices in Beirut, but this certainly will be seen as a major escalation by Hezbollah, which offers these Palestinian groups protection.
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Good. Hunt them down and kill them wherever they hide.
 
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