Offseason IF's: IF B12 folds...ISU...

[thewop]

If OU's president is serious, another wave of conference realignment, and the ensuing collapse of the B12 is imminent (Unless Texas gives up $$$, LOL)...

Where does ISU go? Would they go Group of 5? 1-AA? ISU/NDSU/UNI could be an excellent triangle rivalry in the MVC. They also might be a good MAC fit. What options would be open to them?

Personally, I'd rather not see any of it, as adding more teams to the B1G (OU?, Texas?, Kansas?), would only increase the divide between East and West, making it truly feel like 2 conferences, with almost no crossover. I'd like to see the B12 add Cincinnati, UCF, or BYU, or someone else to get to at least 12 teams, and leave the P5 alone.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

All the Big 12 has to do is add Houston and some other team to the league. Then you have 12 members. Also need to get rid of the "longhorn" network and move to a Big 12 station.

If the OU president is for real, then If Im ISU I'm calling every league trying to get in.

 

[UNIowaHawk]

If Oklahoma and another bolt, I don't think Texas stays either so their network is moot. The Big 12 would be dumped from them Power 5 I believe too.

Iowa State would basically have 3 options-- stay and run with whatever their conference can get. Join the MVC and convert to 1AA and have one of the better stadiums in that division. Go to MAC. I prefer #2 so Iowa doesn't have to play them anymore.

 

[thewop]

It also struck me that if OU joined the B1G, it may end our Black Friday showdown with Nebraska in favor of renewing the OU/Nebraska rivalry. This would be met with mixed feelings by Iowa fans, but would lower the profile of our game that weekend.

 

[rchawk]

If I remember correctly from past expansion talks, Oklahoma doesn't have the academic chops to get into the Big Ten. They are not an AAU member, basically a glorified 4-year juco. Okie State is worse. Big Ten presidents vote for admission to the conference, not athletic directors.

 

[5Fan5]

If I remember correctly from past expansion talks, Oklahoma doesn't have the academic chops to get into the Big Ten. They are not an AAU member, basically a glorified 4-year juco. Okie State is worse. Big Ten presidents vote for admission to the conference, not athletic directors.

Presidents and Chancellors fully understand the business side of college athletics in today's world. If Oklahoma really wants to become a part of the Big Ten (without the umbilical cord to Okie State), then it likely could be made to happen.

 

[hknation]

why would the xii expand when the ncaa approved them having a champ game with just the existing 10 members?

NCAA vote makes it possible for Big 12 to hold football title ...
www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/.../ncaa-vote-makes-it...CBSSports.com
3 days ago - NCAA vote makes it possible for Big 12 to hold football title game ... TheBig 12 will now be allowed to hold a conference football championship game due to ... The NCAA Division I Council approved a proposal allowing FBS ...

 

[H4wkfan4life]

why would the xii expand when the ncaa approved them having a champ game with just the existing 10 members?

NCAA vote makes it possible for Big 12 to hold football title ...
www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/.../ncaa-vote-makes-it...CBSSports.com
3 days ago - NCAA vote makes it possible for Big 12 to hold football title game ... TheBig 12 will now be allowed to hold a conference football championship game due to ... The NCAA Division I Council approved a proposal allowing FBS ...

OU is pretty much demanding they get 12 teams. They're tired of playing in the little 10.

 

[HoundedHawk]

It also struck me that if OU joined the B1G, it may end our Black Friday showdown with Nebraska in favor of renewing the OU/Nebraska rivalry. This would be met with mixed feelings by Iowa fans, but would lower the profile of our game that weekend.

We would surely lose Black Friday to OU/NE. And it would make it that much harder for Iowa to ever win the Big Ten. It's not good for Iowa that Oklahoma joins and would absolutely be put in the west division.

 

[5Fan5]

We would surely lose Black Friday to OU/NE. And it would make it that much harder for Iowa to ever win the Big Ten. It's not good for Iowa that Oklahoma joins and would absolutely be put in the west division.

Seems like we heard this before.... sometime prior and when Nebraska entered the Big Ten.

To be the best, a team needs to compete with the best. If that is OU (not entirely certain that it is) then so be it.

 

[yerpHAWK]

Agree with big grabbin Cincy. Not so much UCF, but who the hell knows, Already have Pennsylvania, Jersey, and Maryland, why not go south. Would love to have Pitt, but they seemed locked in the ACC. Maybe we can pry Missouri away, makes no sense how they are in SEC east ( what you get when you put a southerner in charge of geography for ya).

 

[Roy-munson]

Missouri, Pittsburgh and Kansas are the only teams I'd be willing to let into this conference..

 

[EpenesaEpenesa]

We would surely lose Black Friday to OU/NE. And it would make it that much harder for Iowa to ever win the Big Ten. It's not good for Iowa that Oklahoma joins and would absolutely be put in the west division.

BS. Nice mentality

 

[Roy-munson]

I'd be fine with playing Minnesota on Black Friday...but ou joining the if ten doesn't automatically give them the west.. Can the Oklahoma boys play in the cold November??

 

[And1Hawk]

The tires have been kicked on Oklahoma by the B1G already so they are a possibility despite some of their institutional and academic drawbacks. They would be a great addition to the West but part of me wonders how they will continue to recruit Texas at a high level when they play in the B1G, I do not mind if we lose Black Friday to OU-Nebby. We will have a big rivalry with both over time and imagine OU coming into Kinnick. That would be cool.

 

[thewop]

Seems like we heard this before.... sometime prior and when Nebraska entered the Big Ten.

To be the best, a team needs to compete with the best. If that is OU (not entirely certain that it is) then so be it.

I agree, I think the physical grind would take it's toll on OU over the course of a season. OU, though, has been, and continues to be, a much better program than Nebraska the last 15 years, so it may not be as rough for them

 

[And1Hawk]

I think one of these 2 leagues the Big 12 & ACC are going to fold and morph into something else most likely becoming the remaining teams needed for the 4 super conferences.

There have been several articles recently that all is not well in the ACC money wise, etc. The loss of Maryland was much bigger than many realize for a number of reasons and there was a huge reason why the B1G went after them. The ACC has a couple of solid schools and programs but others that are small schools that lack fan bases. The TV ratings and interest lacks for much of the content. The Big 12 has the same issue. When ISU is now your third biggest stadium/fan base that highlights the issue with the league.

It's a matter of what domino falls first?

 

[10CHawkeye]

If OU's president is serious, another wave of conference realignment, and the ensuing collapse of the B12 is imminent (Unless Texas gives up $$$, LOL)...

Where does ISU go? Would they go Group of 5? 1-AA? ISU/NDSU/UNI could be an excellent triangle rivalry in the MVC. They also might be a good MAC fit. What options would be open to them?

Personally, I'd rather not see any of it, as adding more teams to the B1G (OU?, Texas?, Kansas?), would only increase the divide between East and West, making it truly feel like 2 conferences, with almost no crossover. I'd like to see the B12 add Cincinnati, UCF, or BYU, or someone else to get to at least 12 teams, and leave the P5 alone.

I'm starting to find ISU fans more and more vocal this year. It's funny considering we beat them that they are yapping so much. I think I'd like to see them reduced to non power 5 status. But I'd prefer the B1G not expand at this time. I like our confs alignment the way it is.

 

[And1Hawk]

I'm starting to find ISU fans more and more vocal this year. It's funny considering we beat them that they are yapping so much. I think I'd like to see them reduced to non power 5 status. But I'd prefer the B1G not expand at this time. I like our confs alignment the way it is.

The more we accomplish, the more they think it's easy and they will do the same thing the following year. The close losses or competitive games equal automatic wins the next season. The fact is anyone can chirp and honestly they have been let down so much over the years can they really be let down any more? What's the lose situation for them in chirping because I cannot think of one. If it does not come to fruition oh well. Any positive news or outcome is hope... Anything. If there was a talk and hope scoreboard they would be national champs.

Meanwhile we've had 35 years of pretty good football with some outstanding seasons and an occasional down year mixed in. This fan base does not have to chirp as there is no need to. Been there, done that many times. We also have respect for what it takes to just to be in the conversation on a national stage and how hard that is. We got tesults doing it our way. Did not need gimmicks or rely on a copycat strategy nor had to self proclaim greatness to the world. Everything was earned. iIt's much easier to be the hunter than the hunted in this world.

 

[Mojumbohawk]

It has been mentioned before if Okie moves, it will probably be to the Pac 10. Fwiw , I would trade Missouri for Northwestern. A bigger fan base and the state of Missouri for tv.

 

[icu81222]

I agree, I think the physical grind would take it's toll on OU over the course of a season. OU, though, has been, and continues to be, a much better program than Nebraska the last 15 years, so it may not be as rough for them

Agreed. Comparing UN to OU in any way is laughable. Not even close. Nearly every kid in school has never known a UN team to be top 10 level.

It won't be long until no one in HS were alive to see a ranked Nebraska team.

 

[ANYCHawk]

Missouri, Pittsburgh and Kansas are the only teams I'd be willing to let into this conference..

good. three teams that offer nothing.

 

[1fansopinion]

The tires have been kicked on Oklahoma by the B1G already so they are a possibility despite some of their institutional and academic drawbacks. They would be a great addition to the West but part of me wonders how they will continue to recruit Texas at a high level when they play in the B1G, I do not mind if we lose Black Friday to OU-Nebby. We will have a big rivalry with both over time and imagine OU coming into Kinnick. That would be cool.

Although this will continue to be discussed ad nauseam, neither OU or Texas will ever be part of the BIG.
As someone who lived a long time in Oklahoma and whose team used to be part of the Big 12, I can guarantee that it will never happen. I know many of you will not believe me, that is fine. We can discuss the merits of them coming to the Big Ten in another year, and another five years, and another 10 years...

 

[naturalmwa]

I'm holding out for Texas and ND. Dream BIG.

 

[JordanChase]

I'm holding out for Texas and ND. Dream BIG.

We want no part of Texas. They've destroyed every conference that they've ever been in.

A borderline retarded idea.

 

[NevadaHawk]

We want no part of Texas. They've destroyed every conference that they've ever been in.

A borderline retarded idea.

Not sure we would want ND either. They consider themselves to be college football royalty and would expect that type of treatment.

 

[Herkuleez]

The clowns belong in either CUSA or MWC at best.

I've always viewed UNI as a good candidate for the MAC should they ever decide to move up to FBS.

 

[rchawk]

If Oklahoma goes anywhere it will probably be to the SEC. It's a natural fit. They may have the clout to leave Okie State in the dust. Play them as a non-conference opponent.

I suspect the issue will be resolved when the Big 12 adds two more teams. BYU, Cincinnati, Memphis, more, pick two.

 

[mthawkeyes]

I also think BYU (along with Cincinnati) would be a very likely candidate. I don't think Memphis or Houston bring the $$$.

 

[Herkuleez]

I suspect the issue will be resolved when the Big 12 adds two more teams. BYU, Cincinnati, Memphis, more, pick two.

I concur.

However, I thought BYU was ruled out due to their rule of not playing sports on Sundays?

Agree that Memphis doesn't bring enough to the table...a very poor-mans Louisville. Also pretty sure I heard that there is an ancient animosity between Houston and many of the existing B12 Texas schools and there is zero chance they would ever be voted in.

I could see Cincinnati being attractive, especially once they get the new stadium built...and it would help bridge the geographic gap between WV and the rest of the league. I think a Florida school like USF or UCF could be targeted as school #12.

 

[ichawk24]

The recent list of B12 candidates leaked by league insiders had BYU at the very bottom. No one wants to work with an institution that puts sports and academics so far behind their core beliefs.

Supposedly Houston has next to zero chance. Texas schools don't want yet another Texas school.

 

[Titanhawk2]

Presidents and Chancellors fully understand the business side of college athletics in today's world. If Oklahoma really wants to become a part of the Big Ten (without the umbilical cord to Okie State), then it likely could be made to happen.

Right, and the Oklahoma TV market is not prime real estate.

 

[Metuo Accipiter]

I concur.

However, I thought BYU was ruled out due to their rule of not playing sports on Sundays?

Agree that Memphis doesn't bring enough to the table...a very poor-mans Louisville. Also pretty sure I heard that there is an ancient animosity between Houston and many of the existing B12 Texas schools and there is zero chance they would ever be voted in.

I could see Cincinnati being attractive, especially once they get the new stadium built...and it would help bridge the geographic gap between WV and the rest of the league. I think a Florida school like USF or UCF could be targeted as school #12.

It's amazing when you see the level of disparity between the supposed Big 10 target schools and the Big 12 target schools. If the big 10 was targeting or being linked to Cincinnati or USF or Memphis - I'd either be embarrassed or angry. These schools bring almost nothing to the conference in terms of revenue, prestige and national fan interest.

 

[gojojo]

I really hate all this conference expansion. It is going to lead to the, "Well, who have they played" discussion every year for a handful of teams. It gets really old.

 

[5Fan5]

Right, and the Oklahoma TV market is not prime real estate.

Considered solely on its own, you might have a point. Further increasing the footprint of the Big Ten to include a program with the rich history and tradition of Oklahoma is practically a no brainer.

Or, do you believe Nebraska was invited because of all the 'prime' TV 'real estate' there?

 

[Metuo Accipiter]

I really hate all this conference expansion. It is going to lead to the, "Well, who have they played" discussion every year for a handful of teams. It gets really old.

I'm not sure if expansion is finished - I could see the Big 10 adding 4 or 6 more members. If this happens - I hope they continue to target the east and southeast. If they conference reaches 18-20 members - then we could have a Big 10 east and Big 10 west - two divisions that for most part act like two conferences closely aligned in sports. And thus, Iowa's division could then be comprised of mostly the traditional Big 10 schools - thereby taking us back to our roots.

West
Iowa
Illinois
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Purdue
Indiana
Michigan
Northwestern
Nebraska

East
OSU
PSU
MSU
Maryland
Rutgers
X-Boston College
X-Georgia Tech
X-Vanderbilt
X-Virginia Tech

(X-I'm just guessing at 4 possible schools that are strong in academics and all give us presence in a new state)

 

[Metuo Accipiter]

Considered solely on its own, you might have a point. Further increasing the footprint of the Big Ten to include a program with the rich history and tradition of Oklahoma is practically a no brainer.

Or, do you believe Nebraska was invited because of all the 'prime' TV 'real estate' there?

I don't believe any rumor that claims Oklahoma has a chance to get in the Big 10. It's nowhere close the academic quality required. Nebraska was a huge stretch - and the conference got burned/embarrassed when Nebraska lost its AAU membership. I doubt the leadership of the BIG schools will do that again.

 

[whatsup13579er]

Adding BC and GT to the B1G in the future would be very strong candidates considering TV and Academics. I think the B1G would rather have UVA rather than VT. UVA is stronger academically and they both bring the Virginia market. Another option I always thought would be a good fit is UNC despite their recent academic scandals.

To the OP's point if the Big 12 folds, ISU is screwed. They would be relegated to the Mountain West or something similar.

 

[Metuo Accipiter]

Adding BC and GT to the B1G in the future would be very strong candidates considering TV and Academics. I think the B1G would rather have UVA rather than VT. UVA is stronger academically and they both bring the Virginia market. Another option I always thought would be a good fit is UNC despite their recent academic scandals.

To the OP's point if the Big 12 folds, ISU is screwed. They would be relegated to the Mountain West or something similar.

I agree. No doubt UVA is a golden egg - especially in academics. But I see them as part of the ACC unbreakable triad with Duke and NC. Those three will stick together no matter what IMO. So that's why I said V-Tech.

I also have the same opinion with ISU. They are on an island right now and not in a good position if the Big 12 realigns/folds.

 

[BondHawk]

It has been mentioned before if Okie moves, it will probably be to the Pac 10. Fwiw , I would trade Missouri for Northwestern. A bigger fan base and the state of Missouri for tv.

Not that any "trades" would ever happen anyway, but Northwestern isn't going anywhere. You don't kick the best academic institution out of the family.