You are obviously human trash because of the highly offensive words you use. Also Texas is in no way powerful enough to take on the B1G.
Offseason IF's: IF B12 folds...ISU...
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You are obviously human trash because of the highly offensive words you use. Also Texas is in no way powerful enough to take on the B1G.
Could happen, but there seems to be much more chatter out there concerning the big xii rather than the ACC. Generally, when there is enough banter to be heard and reported on (by some that have proven to be knowledgeable in these type of rumors), it is more than just a what if scenario. The OU administration has made statements regarding the displeasure Oklahoma has with the present structure. Time will tell what happens.
As for the academic issues, they are important considerations. Using Nebraska, however, is today a poor example. Yes, they lost the accreditation, but they use the fact that the medical facility is not included as a part of their teaching/research for AAU purposes. The Big Ten feels that it has improved Nebraska academically while enjoying the benefits of having Nebraska football and other athletics be a part of the conference. Many think that this idea would apply to the consideration of OU.
Virginia Polytech & State University may be a better market on the eastern seaboard, but it certainly is nothing exceptional in the way of academics.
The essence is that many foresee a day when the big xii, as it currently stands, no longer exists in that format/structure. The question has always been what happens when that time arrives. The majority here agree that there are schools/teams that will be attractive to other conferences and there are others that do not bring enough to the table to warrant inclusion in the other Power 5 conferences.
I just don' t see the B1G taking any of the current Big 12 teams. There is a short list of potential targets for the B1G and Texas is probably the only school on the list from the Big 12 but I doubt they would give in to Texas's demands. Others on the short list, IMO, are ND, GT, UNC, UVA, Duke, BC, and Vandy.
If the B1G could expand with 4 more teams, I would love to see Ga Tech, UVA, Vandy, and either UNC or Duke. Raid the ACC of their better institutions, make headway into SEC territory and leave ND on the outside looking in.
If the B1G could expand with 4 more teams, I would love to see Ga Tech, UVA, Vandy, and either UNC or Duke. Raid the ACC of their better institutions, make headway into SEC territory and leave ND on the outside looking in.
The precedent was made when Iowa invited Nebraska to become a member prior to the 2011-12 athletic year. That worked in spite of all the questions, criticisms and afterthoughts about how it would diminish the Big Ten. There are motives/reasons for all of the rumors/discussion that is being heard. Most are astute enough to realize that the big xii model as it now exists does not work longer term.
Texas still lives in an alter-universe of some sort. It was because of Texas that Nebraska (and Colorado and Missouri and A&M) became available to other leagues. To a large degree, it will be as much of Texas' fault if and when others from the remaining big xii opt to go elsewhere. The Big Ten is in a position where, while it would be nice to have Texas as an equal within the confines of all things conference related, it does not have to concede anything to the Longhorns in order to have that happen.
Others on your short list may seem attractive, but either they have made it known their demands (example: Notre Dame; see comments about Texas above) or they have not expressed any desire to change at this time. Oklahoma appears to be doing just that and because of that, it could be that someone (Big Ten, SEC and/or Pac 12) take notice and proactively approach the matter.
I believe the ideal to be four, sixteen team conferences divided into either two or four divisions. That allows the ultimate playoff to remain as a semifinal and championship format without disturbing the major bowl games.
Were you embarrassed when we added Maryland and Rutgers? Maryland brought basketball and thats it (maybe worth it), Rutgers brought??? Guido's?
Am I the only one sad to see college sports caring less and less about history and loyalty?
I already watch a lot less mlb and nfl because of it, don't watch any nhl or nba anymore.
I already watch a lot less mlb and nfl because of it, don't watch any nhl or nba anymore.
Adding Rutgers wasn't about sports or academics. When the B1G added Rutgers, they added the largest TV market in the country. Adding Cinci or USF or Memphis wouldn't bring in anywhere close to the money as Rutgers.
Are you really trying to imply those institutions are at the level of Rutgers? Or are you only referring to the success of the sports departments? Because I was talking about the entire institution - everything a school brings. And when you look at Rutgers as a whole compared to those schools - there is no comparison. The Big isn't just looking at the success of a sports department - it is looking at everything. And when you look at what the entire institution delivers - it's not close when compared to schools like Memphis, Cincinnati, USF, etc.
So lets make this easy and consider one of the primary hurdles that the Big 10 supposedly requires for membership - the AAU. Which one of the schools listed above is in the AAU?
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I've seen it posted in other expansion threads but the money that the B1G pulls in for research blows the athletic money out of the water AIAEC.
I'm not saying they do, but Rutgers compared to the other B1G schools is a small fish with zero tradition in the football or basketball...and that's what the additions were all about. SPORTS! Academically they might as well be called New Jersey State, they are nothing special. Oh, and they do not bring the market Delany claims that they do...and they never will. NO ONE REALLY CARES ABOUT COLLEGE SPORTS ON THE EAST COAST (except for betting), and NO ONE CARES ABOUT RUTGERS IN PARTICULAR.
With that said...
Who do you suggest the Big12 go after? Pickins are pretty slim and they will not be stealing any school away from the other P5 conference. The markets I referenced (Cincy and USF) are fairly viable and, as additions to their conference, acceptable imo...that is IF they really want to go to 12 schools.
Schools like Memphis, Colorado State, Boise State, San Diego State, East Carolina could be in play, but I just don't bring as much as Cincy and USF.
Let's face it, the Big12 screwed themselves when they let Mizzu and TAMU walk...and screwed themselves again when they didn't jump on Louisville and Pitt to replace them. That would have been a decent North/South alignment:
NORTH: ISU, Kan, KSU, L'ville, Pitt, WV
SOUTH: Tx schools x4, Ok schools x2
Rutgers is a top land grant university with an enrollment of 60K+ including 48 undergrads & 19K grad students. They have an R&D budget of 750 million which puts them number 5 in the B1G (Maryland #6) and top 30 in the nation. The are world renown in at least one research area. To give you perspective, the Texas athletics revenues/budget is 140 million which is # 1 in the nation for athletics. Rutgers R&D is 5.5 times that. They were ranked #33 in the world university rankings of 1000 universities and are a respected academic institution. They also reside in a major population basin extending the B1G foot print. That's what you call a small fish?
They have struggled in athletics due primarily to lack of money and debt problems. They desperately need the infusion of B1G money on the athletics side. New members do not receive the full amount immediately and are phased in. This money will help them finance new facility upgrades and hire better coaches.
They had a pretty good run in football under Schiano. Year one in the tough B1G eastern division was not awful. They won their bowl game decidedly agsinst UNC. For perspective, we have lost 4 straight bowl games at Iowa. Basketball has been a struggle for some time but they have a final four in their history not too far from ours under Lute. Go back 7 years ago and we were getting blown out by Minny by 40-50 points and had an actual home attendance of 2-3k. We were a laughingstock not that long ago.
With upgrades to facilities and good hires Rutgers could dramatically improve over the next 5-10 years. The B1G also has planted actual roots in a prime recruiting area for players that helps all members of the conference.
Adding Maryland and Rutgers were shrewd business moves that have strategic value that enhances the reach and influence of the B1G. You can spend your days typing in caps and spewing someone else's talking points but I trust Delaney and the University brass over some person behind a keyboard.
LOL, go try posting this on OSU's or Michigan's board.
How is adding ISU going to raise an additional $40+ million for the BIG, so they will at least pay their way, and not be a net loss in splitting the pie? Take a look at why Pitt will never get any consideration. No new market, no boost in ratings to drive contracts.
ISU will never get considered for the B1G. Get over it. Look for a new WAC type conference maybe when the big dogs from the ACC & B12 finally merge to finally get us to just 4 power conferences, with a defacto 8 team playoffs (considering the conference championship games).
I would love to see OK or any other southern school play in the upper Midwest come November.
Rutgers might get a good 4-6 year run with the right hire, but that's about all they will be able to sustain; as I've said before if they get a good hire he'll be gone once an "elite" program decides to come calling...they always do. Rutgers will never build any real tradition like most a good potion of the other members.
Upgrade facilities??? Rutgers just upgraded their complex a few years ago, no? Maybe they could expand them a bit more. Like I aid though, they will need to go on bit of a run first. They kind of run where they compete for East titles if not win 1-2. Don't see it happening anytime soon.
Finally, the shrewd business move of adding Maryland and Rutgers is marginal at best....Maryland basketball and fertile recruiting ground is about it. The facade of TV ratings from adding the NJ/NY market with Rutgers is an illusion. What sux is that Delany thinks moving the BT BBall Conference Tourney to Madison Square Garden is a great idea...instead it's a huge mistake. It will alienate your roots in the midwest and will not win over the east coast fans from Big East/AAC/ACC bias. In 50 years? ...possibly, but not in the next 20-25 years, and by then you will have killed off what makes the conference great by shoving the Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota faithful off to the side solely so you can make $$$. Pathetic.
We can agree to disagree. Time will tell when contracts come up for bid and as money is infused into both Rutgers and Maryland's programs I think the results could be good for both as well as the B1G. They add a ton to our conference on the R&D side and are both solid academic institutions. We will be adding 2 more teams in the next 5-10 years so this footprint extension allows for a large number of possibilities for the next 2 schools when that time comes.
I see a lot of comments like yours about the fallacy of TV ratings and fan interest in Rutgers in particular. Both Rutgers and Maryland are in pro markets so there is no doubt they will, especially Rutgers, not come anywhere close to garnering the fan interest of the pro sports teams. My question is why do they have to? It's simple numbers at play here. New Jersey has a population of 9 million (3 x Iowa) and New York City adds another 8.5 million so that's 17.5 million in a pretty close proximity to Rutgers. As an example of the power of numbers let's say Iowa draws TV viewership of 25% of its population for a game (probably way high but the % does not matter for the example). That equals 750,000 viewers. It would take only 8.6% of New Jersey's population to draw that same number of viewers. Now throw in NYC and that number falls to just under 4.5%. That's why the B1G does not need them to dominate the market to draw a lot of viewership. Every 1% is huge.
The estimate of population on the PA-DC-NY-NJ I think is about 85 million people in that eastern corridor. Over 25 x Iowa's population. That's the flag that has been planted by the B1G. Lots of potential viewers and lots of players to recruit. When you combine academics, R&D, population viewership and potential recruiting grounds I just fail to see how this is a bad thing. I do know one thing though, lots of talking heads who do not have a rooting interest in the B1G want you very much to think it was a bad move. They are flat out jealous. Some of those same folks also ripped the BTN and proclaimed it to be a colossal failure until it worked and brought in huge money for the B1G. Then everyone was left scrambling to copy it. I suspect this will be the same thing for these 2 additions.. Ripped now, praised later when it starts bearing big time fruit.
