they have the roster to win it; but I would not be surprised if they turtle up/choke.
Ohio State blew $20M on a Roster that Finished 4th in the B1G
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they have the roster to win it; but I would not be surprised if they turtle up/choke.
Ohio State beat Penn State on the road, dismantled Indiana at home and narrowly lost to Oregon on the road. They are not the 4th best team in the Big Ten.
OSU doesnt seem to throw the ball deep hardly at all this year. Also, the last few years I have seen Day just get in his own way and by that I mean for instance they gain 8 yards on first down either by run or pass then they pass again and it is incomplete so they run into a firm defense against a top team and they come up short. I dont watch them a lot unless it is a pretty big game or when they are playing a team the hawks will be playing later.
I think it is Day not having an identity for his offense. When they had Harrison and a couple of others a few years ago they threw the ball downtown, loosened up defenses and that opened it up. Last game I didnt see many deep shots at all. when you have those types of receivers you need to go for some home runs and if they are not there dump off a pass.
And this year they had those OTackle problems as we at Iowa know what that leads to, putrid offense
Well, Indiana beat Michigan. For Ohio State to be a top 2 team in the B1G, all they had to do is beat Michigan at home. Ohio State failed miserably, and, as a result, fell to 4th in the standings.
Final B1G Standings:
| Team | CONF | OVR |
|---|---|---|
| Oregon | 9-0 | 12-0 |
| Penn State | 8-1 | 11-1 |
| Indiana | 8-1 | 11-1 |
| Ohio State | 7-2 | 10-2 |
Where they finished and who is the better team is not the same thing. Which team of those top 4 played all three of the others and beat two of them?
Spot on! If one is disappointed by 8-10 wins per season they are really going to meltdown when 4-6 wins become the norm. Does Iowa even have $20M in its entire NIL fund? Oregon can hire a roster of all future pros, and pay them like some pros. USC is a very wealthy school with a LA donor pool. Iowa can never out resource Oregon and USC, tOSU, that lyin' whore Ann Arbor, Penn St. Even Washington and UCLA have an enormous resource advantage over Iowa. Where is our large urban economy from which draw NIL sponsors? Des Moines is a real city but not a really large urban area. Iowa and Iowa St. split the DSM money.
Iowa is going to make two very high dollar coaching hires in the next couple of seasons. Where's that money? The entire recruiting budget clearly needs much more money as well.
The future is not bright.
So who finished in 3rd place? Someone has to finish in third place. Now I am not trying to be super crazy about this argument as we both see it differently.
Clearly, Oregon has the 1st best record, then psu and IU tied for the 2nd best record. Logically, there has to be one or more teams that have the third best record. By looking at the standings it is clear OSU has the third best record which, if we follow the pattern, means they are in third place. This is why I like to think Iowa has and tied for the 4th best record.
Poor Purdue isn't 18th but "just last" in the Big 10, 9th placeholder of a win-loss record.
The Olympics have the rule in many timed sports that if there is a clear winner of let's say the 100 meter dash then that person gets the gold, and if there is dead heat between the next best time which is called the second best time, then the rule is both runners get a silver medal.
And from everything I have read or seen the person or person's who have the 3rd best time get the bronze medal. They dont skip third place and put them in fourth.
Well, if they were a top 2 team, they'd (1) have beaten Michigan at home as a heavy favorite and (2) be playing in the B1G Championship game. So, at best, they're 3rd best. And in the standings, they are 4th best with 2 conference losses.
The way it's always been done is the standings that follow.
And since there was a tie for 2nd, the tie breaker sent Penn State (and not Indiana) to the B1G Championship game.
1. Oregon ...............9-0
T-2. Penn State.....8-1
T-2. Indiana............8-1
4. Ohio State.........7-2
T-5 Illinois..............6-3
T-5 Iowa..................6-3
T-7 Michigan...........5-4
T-7 Minnesota........5-4
T-9 Rutgers.............4-5
T-9 Washington.....4-5
T-9 USC....................4-5
T-12 UCLA................3-6
T-12 Nebraska.........3-6
T-12 Michigan St....3-6
T-12 Wisconsin.......3-6
16 Northwestern.....2-7
17 Maryland...............1-8
18 Purdue..................0-9
When forced ranking is utilized, the tied teams claim the same rank, however the next rank would represent their subsequent rank "count."So who finished in 3rd place? Someone has to finish in third place. Now I am not trying to be super crazy about this argument as we both see it differently.
Clearly, Oregon has the 1st best record, then psu and IU tied for the 2nd best record. Logically, there has to be one or more teams that have the third best record. By looking at the standings it is clear OSU has the third best record which, if we follow the pattern, means they are in third place. This is why I like to think Iowa has and tied for the 4th best record.
Poor Purdue isn't 18th but "just last" in the Big 10, 9th placeholder of a win-loss record.
The Olympics have the rule in many timed sports that if there is a clear winner of let's say the 100 meter dash then that person gets the gold, and if there is dead heat between the next best time which is called the second best time, then the rule is both runners get a silver medal.
And from everything I have read or seen the person or person's who have the 3rd best time get the bronze medal. They dont skip third place and put them in fourth.
In this example:
1. Oregon
2. PSU
2. IU
4, OSU.
5. ILL
5. IOWA*
* or 6. IOWA, if overall record is considered
We use the same when applying forced rank to our performance evaluations within my company.
And a tariff on tickets sold to Nebraska. Make enough to at least NIL a kicker! 😆
Between the three, who do you think Oregon would rather plan on a neutral field? And I would think you're bright enough to understand that in rivalry games sometimes the better team doesn't win the game.
And yet, still could walk away with the Natty.And one COSTLY offseason move turned out to be with what they did at the QB position.
In the offseason, Ryan Day showed starting QB Kyle McCord the door in the favor of a transfer portal option that turned out to be Kansas State QB Will Howard.
McCord landed at Syracuse.
Yesterday, as Will Howard struggled in a loss to Michigan, throwing two costly interceptions, McCord was up in Syracuse out-dueling the nation's best quarterback, Cam Ward, in a thrilling comeback 42-38 win over #6 Miami.
Down 21-0 early in the second quarter, McCord erupted for 380 yards and three touchdowns on 26 of 36 passes.
When asked after the game about beating Miami while his former school Ohio State lost to Michigan yet again, McCord had the perfect response.
"Everything comes full circle," McCord said.
This season McCord passed for 4,326 yards, completed 66% of his passes, and had 29 TDs and 12 INTs for the Orange (9-3).
The Full Story from CBS Sports: 
Ryan Day blew it with Kyle McCord ousting, offensive overhaul that came up short yet again versus Michigan
Fran Brown owes Day a bottle of Dom Perignon after the Buckeyes jettisoned McCordwww.cbssports.com
Current B1G Standings:
Team CONF OVR Oregon 9-0 12-0 Penn State 8-1 11-1 Indiana 8-1 11-1 Ohio State 7-2 10-2
True; they could. And if they do, they will earn it.
With the expanded playoff, #6 ranked Ohio State likely would have to beat these 4 teams in order to win the National Championship:
#7 ranked Tennessee (at home)
#1 ranked Oregon (who got a bye) in the Quarterfinals
#3 ranked Texas in the Semifinals
#2 ranked Georgia in the National Championship
If they ended up beating all 3 SEC teams that are in the field that would really be something and would make a huge statement for not only tOSU but for the B1G.
CFP Final Rankings:
(Teams in BOLD made the 12 team field)1. Oregon (13-0)................1st Round Bye
2. Georgia (11-2)...............1st Round Bye
3. Texas (11-2)
4. Penn State (11-2)
5. Notre Dame (11-1)
6. Ohio State (10-2)
7. Tennessee (10-2)
8. Indiana (11-1)
9. Boise State (12-1)..........1st Round Bye
10. SMU (11-2)
11. Alabama (9-3)
12. Arizona State (11-2).....1st Round Bye
13. Miami (10-2)
14. Ole Miss (9-3)
15. South Carolina (9-3)
16. Clemson (10-3)
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Looking pretty good to date
Ohio St and that $20 million roster looks like it is paying off. No one has looked nearly as good as the Buckeyes have their first couple playoff games and obviously Tennessee and Oregon are very good football teams.
The only team that possibly has a shot looks like Texas, but I wasn’t impressed with their win over ASU (which give them credit).
The only team that possibly has a shot looks like Texas, but I wasn’t impressed with their win over ASU (which give them credit).
Glad I didn't shoot my mouth off and start this thread. 🤣
Not to worry: she will change the title to "OSU buys natty for 20 mil-solid investment." It is what she does.
I am not sure about Will Howard being a costly offseason pick up. He is throwing the ball very well and reading the defenses and going to the correct receiver.
Most pundits feel the Mich loss was Day and Kelly , especially Kelly, not being aggressive and attacking the Mich defense downfield more. Mich did have a really good defense but no reason to throw so many short passes against them with those buckeye receivers.
OSU only finished "4th" because Indiana and Penn St didn't play Oregon in the regular season. OSU also got screwed by a bad OPI against Oregon that made the difference in the game.
Not that conference championships matter anymore.
And then follow it up with a “More + Oral = Moral” post. I haven’t seen any of those for a while.
No one gives a crap about conferences anymore ... just don't lose more than 2 games and go to the playoffsAnd one COSTLY offseason move turned out to be with what they did at the QB position.
In the offseason, Ryan Day showed starting QB Kyle McCord the door in the favor of a transfer portal option that turned out to be Kansas State QB Will Howard.
McCord landed at Syracuse.
Yesterday, as Will Howard struggled in a loss to Michigan, throwing two costly interceptions, McCord was up in Syracuse out-dueling the nation's best quarterback, Cam Ward, in a thrilling comeback 42-38 win over #6 Miami.
Down 21-0 early in the second quarter, McCord erupted for 380 yards and three touchdowns on 26 of 36 passes.
When asked after the game about beating Miami while his former school Ohio State lost to Michigan yet again, McCord had the perfect response.
"Everything comes full circle," McCord said.
This season McCord passed for 4,326 yards, completed 66% of his passes, and had 29 TDs and 12 INTs for the Orange (9-3).
The Full Story from CBS Sports: Ryan Day blew it with Kyle McCord ousting, offensive overhaul that came up short yet again versus Michigan
Fran Brown owes Day a bottle of Dom Perignon after the Buckeyes jettisoned McCord
Current B1G Standings:
Team CONF OVR Oregon 9-0 12-0 Penn State 8-1 11-1 Indiana 8-1 11-1 Ohio State 7-2 10-2
OhioSt did themselves a favor not having to play in that stupid CCG.
Well, you forgot to mention that OSU, a 20.5 point favorite, choked at home vs Michigan. Had they taken care of business in that game they would have finished 2nd in the B1G.
Michigan 13-10 Ohio State (Nov 30, 2024) Final Score - ESPN
Game summary of the Michigan Wolverines vs. Ohio State Buckeyes NCAAF game, final score 13-10, from November 30, 2024 on ESPN.
too bad that it now takes at least $20M in the "pay to play" game for a chance to win a national championship
not sure if Iowa will even come close to ever having a chance
What didn't age well? The thread title is this: Ohio State blew (or spent, if you prefer) $20M on a Roster that Finished 4th in the B1G.
And after a disastrous end to their regular season, we'll see if the $20M does pay off.
2 more wins to go.
And it still does not change the fact that things could have gone a lot easier, which is part of the orig post. This season Kyle McCord, who was shown the door by Ryan Day, passed for 4,326 yards, completed 66% of his passes, and had 29 TDs and 12 INTs for Syracuse.
As a reminder, this writer said Ryan Day blew it when it came to discarding McCord.
| The Full Story from CBS Sports: |
Ryan Day blew it with Kyle McCord ousting, offensive overhaul that came up short yet again versus Michigan
Fran Brown owes Day a bottle of Dom Perignon after the Buckeyes jettisoned McCord
www.cbssports.com
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Well it’s either that or no chance. It would be interesting to see how Ohio State compares to Texas, Notre Dame and Penn State for NIL spent on this years rosters. My guess is from here on out this will be the norm
What's your obsession with OSU? Have you noticed they're now the commanding favorites to win the NC? Yep, if they had taken care of business against Michigan, they would have finished 2nd behind the team they absolutely destroyed in their last Playoff game. Comment ?Well, you forgot to mention that OSU, a 20.5 point favorite, choked at home vs Michigan. Had they taken care of business in that game they would have finished 2nd in the B1G.
Michigan 13-10 Ohio State (Nov 30, 2024) Final Score - ESPN
Game summary of the Michigan Wolverines vs. Ohio State Buckeyes NCAAF game, final score 13-10, from November 30, 2024 on ESPN.www.espn.com
They can win the title this year and Day will still be on the hot seat if he fails to beat Michigan next year. It's a unique rivalry that is unlike any other. National Titles are more important than conference titles or rivalry game wins. Ask Oregon about that one.
Wonder how much that the “other” conference schools had budgeted for their athletes during the pre NIL years?
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We spent 150 bucks and went 8-5. Feel better about that?And one COSTLY offseason move turned out to be with what they did at the QB position.
In the offseason, Ryan Day showed starting QB Kyle McCord the door in the favor of a transfer portal option that turned out to be Kansas State QB Will Howard.
McCord landed at Syracuse.
Yesterday, as Will Howard struggled in a loss to Michigan, throwing two costly interceptions, McCord was up in Syracuse out-dueling the nation's best quarterback, Cam Ward, in a thrilling comeback 42-38 win over #6 Miami.
Down 21-0 early in the second quarter, McCord erupted for 380 yards and three touchdowns on 26 of 36 passes.
When asked after the game about beating Miami while his former school Ohio State lost to Michigan yet again, McCord had the perfect response.
"Everything comes full circle," McCord said.
This season McCord passed for 4,326 yards, completed 66% of his passes, and had 29 TDs and 12 INTs for the Orange (9-3).
The Full Story from CBS Sports: Ryan Day blew it with Kyle McCord ousting, offensive overhaul that came up short yet again versus Michigan
Fran Brown owes Day a bottle of Dom Perignon after the Buckeyes jettisoned McCord
Current B1G Standings:
Team CONF OVR Oregon 9-0 12-0 Penn State 8-1 11-1 Indiana 8-1 11-1 Ohio State 7-2 10-2
The point is that you're taking 'the $20 million roster" shots at a school that has had only 2 losing seasons since the mid 1960s - one in the late 80s (under John Cooper) and the other during the Tressel scandal year - I believe 2010 when they went 6-7. That success was without NIL funds. Point: they have and will be successful with or without NIL and have been the most consistent-successful B1G school - and probably nationally - in the last 60 years or so.I just wonder what Tim, Phil, LeVar & Kirk could do with a $20M roster
Stupid post 50 days later.
This thread was started exactly 50 days ago. At that time, a $20M Ohio State roster had resulted in:
* a devastating home loss to Michigan
* a 4th place finish in the B1G conference.
Congrats to Ohio State for circling the wagons & going on a 4 game winning streak and wining the National Championship.
Final B1G Standings:
| Team | Conference | Overall |
|---|---|---|
| Oregon | 9-0 | 12-0 |
| Penn State | 8-1 | 11-1 |
| Indiana | 8-1 | 11-1 |
| Ohio State | 7-2 | 10-2 |
