OT: What's going on at the Univ. of Missouri? Black players announce boycott
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So you'll use two stories from other incidents to back your thesis, but multiple reports of racism on campus are "anecdotal."
Both are anecdotal, that's the point. We don't know who made the swastika. I'm not the one rushing to judgment claiming it's definitive proof of racist targeting of blacks. We had 3 of them appear at Yale University and Northwestern recently as well as several other colleges.
the thing is, he DID do some stuff. he mandated training for everyone. it was viewed as not enough.
So Wolfe should have just assumed (like you) that multiple counts of overt racist behavior were just some more of those dang minorities looking for attention?
Look, all he had to do was make a stand against racism on campus. He didn't have to attack any individual or group, just make a strong statement that racist morons won't be tolerated, then set up some damn committee to deal with it. Instead he did nothing, and it got him canned.
Go to any large University there will always be a racist idiot or 2 who shouts something out in public or does something stupid but as long as school is proactive you'll see them as isolated issues not a norm. Look at OU some football recruit decommits because some rich white frat boys singing a song with the N word in it. Kid is naive if he doesn't think there won't be any kids like that at next school he goes to. Difference is they were videotaped but OU was smart and did something and kicked the kids out.
Problem with BLM and these protest they want resolution NOW, can't wait or hold off they want swift action. President wanted to have a discussion but wasn't good enough. BLM will fizzle out like occupy Wall St because they have no strong leaders and whine and cry for change but yet don't give any indication or help on how to do make things better.
Problem with BLM and these protest they want resolution NOW, can't wait or hold off they want swift action. President wanted to have a discussion but wasn't good enough. BLM will fizzle out like occupy Wall St because they have no strong leaders and whine and cry for change but yet don't give any indication or help on how to do make things better.
This isn't true that all he had to do was take a stand against racism on campus by making a strong statement. The 1950 group put together a list of "demands" he was supposed to comply with including apologizing on behalf of the Colombia police department, admit gross negligence on behalf of his driver, open future university president searches to include a "diverse" group including students rather than the regents, implement racial awareness curriculum overseen by a board of students, black faculty needs to increase to 10% by 2017 and increase funding and personnel for social justice centers around campus.
The notion that him simply making a statement on race was going to drop the issue is hogwash. This was an opportunistic movement to hold hostage the administration to cave to demands. Pure BLM movement BS.
http://m.columbiatribune.com/list-o...pdf_345ad844-9f05-5479-9b64-e4b362b4e155.html
It is also interesting that the issues with the Thomas Jefferson statue, including vandalism, preceded many of these racism allegations. It appears the movement was beginning before the allegations even took place. http://www.columbiamissourian.com/n...cle_8c1d6bb2-6d57-11e5-9051-17eb054002a6.html
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No, he QUIT his job because he gave in to the SJW mob. The left has caused our college campuses to become insane.
Exactly. This video is a great representation of this mindset on campuses from an issue at Yale. Several of these students were upset because two professors objected to their call for PC Halloween costumes. The professor did the unthinkable and stood up for freedom of expression. She wrote this in an e-mail to the student body: "American universities were once a safe space not only for maturation but also for a certain regressive, or even transgressive, experience; increasingly, it seems, they have become places of censure and prohibition." Her husband, another faculty member defended her in a follow-up e-mail. The video shows the student response. Video #3 is where it starts getting really good. It really illustrates that the supposed "tolerant and diverse" crowd on campuses are the least tolerant people of all. This is what modern liberalism has become. It's a long way away from classical liberalism.
I'm not going to get in the middle of a political argument because there are valid points on each side.
In light of the Mizzou President's resignation, however, I'll make one observation which reinforces my earlier contention, which is: black athletes at major college programs have great leverage to effect change when they stand together under threat of boycott.
I would only qualify my observation by saying the apparent leverage is real only if the stated demands are reasonable, or appear reasonable.
Like it or not, IMO that is where things stand now.
In light of the Mizzou President's resignation, however, I'll make one observation which reinforces my earlier contention, which is: black athletes at major college programs have great leverage to effect change when they stand together under threat of boycott.
I would only qualify my observation by saying the apparent leverage is real only if the stated demands are reasonable, or appear reasonable.
Like it or not, IMO that is where things stand now.
Wow. But you need to post the one where the girl just starts screaming at him. This one doesn't show it. They are insane.
I don't know how you quantify "after" he did nothing? He agreed to meet with and listen. The complaints of racism even went back to wanting to remove a Thomas Jefferson statue because he had slaves. When a statue of Jefferson creates a hostile environment, then it's hard to take much else from them seriously. This is a bizarre justification you are presenting for a ridiculous list of unreasonable demands. First of all, you would never have a president throw the city police under the bus and that's just where this list starts. I'm sorry but anyone who would defend a list like this is simply devoid of reality.
By chance, were you a supporter of Occupy Wall Street?
I think the danger here is proposing that all such instances are fake. Which seems to be the tenor of some posts. Just like I have seen tendencies to brand a lot of sex assaults as fake like the Duke one.
I believe it's just the opposite. I prefer we render punishment when it's justified and facts are conclusive. The only people jumping to conclusions are those like the BLM and OWS crowd that want immediate action suspending any investigation or fact finding. We see this happen time and time again whether it was Tawana Brawley, Duke Lacrosse, Ferguson, Baltimore or Sanford.
No, I pretty much ignored the whole Occupy movement. It was too polarizing
Look, some of the demands were unreasonable, I'm not arguing that. And I'm not saying Wolfe should have been forced to quit. But if he had taken a harder line against what appears to be a pretty big racist problem at MO, my guess is today he's complaining about his job, not that he doesn't have one.
No, I pretty much ignored the whole Occupy movement. It was too polarizing
Look, some of the demands were unreasonable, I'm not arguing that. And I'm not saying Wolfe should have been forced to quit. But if he had taken a harder line against what appears to be a pretty big racist problem at MO, my guess is today he's complaining about his job, not that he doesn't have one.
But how do you know he wasn't doing enough and how is that quantified? The protesters wouldn't be satisfied unless he caved to their unreasonable demands. They created an unrealistic litmus test. We don't know that he wasn't taking allegations seriously. He said the alleged comments, symbols had no place in their community. He agreed to meet and listen to them. This was simply a group out attempting to make wholesale radical reforms and they were using leverage.
With many of these protesters, it's no different than the professor at Yale getting attacked and screamed at by students over Halloween costumes. They don't want dialogue, they want to lecture and mandate. Those Yale students called for both faculty members to resign too simply because they spoke out in favor of freedom of expression regarding Halloween costumes urging students to reconsider their calls to prohibit costumes pertaining to individual cultures.
It's a greater problem with our culture and how we coddle young adults. There is a great sense of entitlement in universities. Certainly racism exists and should be stamped out when seen but this is more of an issue of a group using allegations as a tool to push an agenda. That became apparent over the entire Thomas Jefferson statue issue.
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Racism does exist and it works both ways!! Black on white violence is a 100X more prevalent in today's society. Kids today don't talk about color because they've grown up with it and know, no different. That's why I'm a bit shocked that it actually happened on a college campus and think some of it is probably made up to support their cause. The president resigning over pressure for things he can't control is stunning and I for one, would never send my kids to a school with that type of mentality.
IACub - In 1970 I drove down to Kirksville on HWY 63 to visit a young woman that I knew who was going to school at N.E. Missouri State(now Truman State) before I shipped out to basic training. I was south of the Iowa border just a few miles when I saw a professionally produced sign posted in the ditch alongside the road that read: Now entering Schuyler County - ******, don't let the sun set on your back.
Holy shit. from the Iowa marketing files, mizzou was scheduled to have a "white out" game Saturday.
Unfortunately you'll have a hard time finding a college or university today where that isn't prevalent. When I went to UI, the overwhelming percentage of faculty were of this mindset and that hasn't changed. In fact, it's probably gotten worse. There is good reason why comedians from liberal cities like Seinfeld won't perform on campuses and it doesn't have to do with the fact most college kids never saw his show while it aired.
I've followed this Yale story as it shows a new age of Student Activisim that has been harming our society. The students at Yale have shouted hateful insults at the two staff, and have started a campaign of public shaming. Politicians have supported this type of activisim and it has shown an intolerent and sometimes violent new way of thinking in America. The Missouri outcome is another example now how some liberals are actually pushing America backwards instead of forwards.
Activism in this country has become the equivalent of the Salem Witch Trials. At the end of it all someone is going to burn no matter how much sense it makes. And if the mob doesnt get what they want they'll burn the town down. My how we have fallen. But politicians are happy
Yes, how awful to have hateful insults shouted at you. Oh wait, that's what this was all about.
Wait are you stating an attitude that it's ok that the Yale students have taken up a hate and shaming campaign? And that it is ok to shout hateful words towards them? Have you even watched and read what is going on at that campus?
He's trying to be sarcastic comparing the professors getting shouted at to the alleged racism at Mizzou. The difference is there is nothing tangible to hold individuals accountable. There is no tape of the incidents occurring. There are no individuals or groups they can identify. If they can point to individuals being racist then I'm all for disciplining them. This is a culture war where they actually asked the president to concede white privilege in their demand list. It's ridiculous.
This was never about stamping out cases of racism. it's about shaming society, in this case the university, for "white privilege." In the short term the president had enough and quite. In the long run it's going to hurt their cause as they alienate themselves from mainstream America because most people are getting turned off by this form of social justice warrioring.
Au contraire, mademoiselle. Any visit to social media right now would prove otherwise.
Younger people and under-voiced minorities being able to instigate change by hitting institutions where it counts (financially)? No way that would ever resonate...
There's a significant difference between a silent majority and a loud minority of the population. We saw the same thing happen with Occupy Wall Street. They were really a very small but loud percentage of society and they even managed to run off even some of the mainstream liberal support by their radical actions. Eventually they became marginalized by greater society to the point where they have effectively been vanquished to the dustbin of history.
Even much of pop culture is beginning to make fun of this recent surge in PC culture wars. First you have Jerry Seinfeld and other comedians claim they won't go on campuses to perform. Now the next South Park is about the town gaining new PC sensibilities and banning the police force. Randy Marsh: “Wow, we’ve only had a Whole Foods for a month and already we don’t need cops. So cool.”
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LOL. Holder's justice department is an oxymoron. The current administration along with Holder's reign are a prime example of how not to handle race relations.
I think it's unfortunate, but the president wasn't left with much of a choice other than to resign. From the moment the demands were made, it was never going to end well. If he didn't meet their demands, it was only a matter of time before the hardcore BLM crowd showed up and created scenes like we saw in Ferguson and Baltimore. He may not have originally handled the situation the right way, but if he would have been allowed to open a dialogue like he said he wanted, there could have possibly been some actual progress made in race relations on campus. By them saying here are our demands, meet them or else, nothing was accomplished other than getting a new president. I think that's sad.
I guess since you told everyone you are a black man then all other black or white opinions do not matter...what a joke...who cares what color you are...you are not at Missouri...get more info...you sound foolish....The presidents was wrong to at least not listen
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Really Soy? You cannot ignor the human nature. Alas we can have that wonderful liberal utopia where everyone must be forced to think alike,or else.......
What I'd really like as a Caucasian American Citizen, is for a small percentage of the population to dictate to the majority exactly how they want us to live and act. That would be awesome.
I think I'll go down to Mexico tomorrow and see if they'll let me run their country. Seems like they could use some help, and certainly they'd entertain all my ideas to improve their lives with open arms! Brings tears to my eyes just thinking of the Utopia I'll build for them......................surely they wouldn't be opposed to such a thing.
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