Ott Medical Redshirt possible
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If that came true here is what we would lose for next year. Canzari -- still have the other three. T. Smith--but J. Smith would have a year under his belt. Kreiger-Colbe but have Kittle. Bylte and Welsch -- but have Daniels and a Ferentz waiting in the wings. On D you lose Meyer -- but have Hesse. Then you lose Fisher and Lomax.
Next year could be another fun year too!
Next year could be another fun year too!
As I understand it there are 2 hurdles that need to be cleared:
1. Medical hardship waiver
2. 6th year petition
To be eligible for a medical hardship waiver, a student-athlete has to meet the following criteria:
Medical Red-shirts and the Five-Year Clock
Athletes must keep in mind both the five-year clock and their four seasons of competition. Even if an athlete gets a medical hardship waiver, he or she needs to have time left on their five-year clock (10-semester/15-quarter clock in Divisions II and III) to use that season.
This is problematic for athletes took a normal redshirt season or sat out due to a transfer. An athlete can generally not use a medical redshirt in those cases unless they get a clock extension or sixth year waiver. To do that the athlete show they lost two seasons outside of his or her control. The medical redshirt would be one, but the athlete would still need to show another.
This is where he's got some work to do. If he was hurt for some of his redshirt year he may have a case.
1. Medical hardship waiver
2. 6th year petition
To be eligible for a medical hardship waiver, a student-athlete has to meet the following criteria:
- The student-athlete must suffer the injury during one of their four seasons of college competition or during the senior year of high school.
- The injury must be incapacitating. That means it must be a season-ending injury.
- The injury must occur prior to the start of the second half of the season.
- The student-athlete must not have competed in more than 30% of the season or three contests, whichever is greater
Medical Red-shirts and the Five-Year Clock
Athletes must keep in mind both the five-year clock and their four seasons of competition. Even if an athlete gets a medical hardship waiver, he or she needs to have time left on their five-year clock (10-semester/15-quarter clock in Divisions II and III) to use that season.
This is problematic for athletes took a normal redshirt season or sat out due to a transfer. An athlete can generally not use a medical redshirt in those cases unless they get a clock extension or sixth year waiver. To do that the athlete show they lost two seasons outside of his or her control. The medical redshirt would be one, but the athlete would still need to show another.
This is where he's got some work to do. If he was hurt for some of his redshirt year he may have a case.
I wonder if Ott was able to come back if that would help sway his choice? King has said that he is coming back because he wants his degree. Or at least some posters have said that.
In reference to the Duzey question -
David is correct. Duzey continues to play each week, albeit sparingly. He plays in goal line sets, and did so against Purdue. So there is no way he would qualify.
David is correct. Duzey continues to play each week, albeit sparingly. He plays in goal line sets, and did so against Purdue. So there is no way he would qualify.
King said that before the season. Last week he said he wasn't sure. I'd guess he gone, but no one knows.
He didn't redshirt though did he? So according to the criteria for the medical hardship, and the 6th year petition not being a factor, he should be good to go?
Yup, he's been in more than a lot of people may realize. He just hasn't been the passing threat he used to be.
There was a quote from King on another site that he was unsure of his plans and would address it in the off season
Correct. Ott did not have redshirt year so would be his 4th year if hardship approved
Ott has exceeded the 30% rule, hopefully they make an exception. Seems like a long shot.
King did say in August that he was returning, but that was August. Now Iowa is 11-0, he is leading the nation in interceptions, and surely has NFL agents harassing him daily.
King did say in August that he was returning, but that was August. Now Iowa is 11-0, he is leading the nation in interceptions, and surely has NFL agents harassing him daily.
As I looked into it, Ott burned his RS after 7 games his freshman year. He may have a legit shot. Forgot he didn't RS
Playing in the Pittsburgh game might cost him, he played sparingly and was ineffective. Full games he played was Illinois St, Pitt, North Texas, and Wisconsin. He also played half games vs ISU and Illinois, putting his total at 5. Even if we play in National Championship he would be at 33%, and if we play 14 he's at 35%. I think it's definitely possible that he could get a medical redshirt if NCAA has leeway with their 30% rule, especially since he already was dealing with a shoulder injury that forced him to get surgery as well.
Ott never redshirted ... he played his freshman season. Thus, Ott isn't petitioning for a 6th year.
Arguably, the biggest issue concerns how much he's played during the season. If you count snaps, he saw snaps in the equivalent to what would probably be around 3 games. Unfortunately, he still technically played up through what would be considered our 6th game of the season.
The "good news" is that his season ending injury occurred in the first half of the season. Thus, he satisfies that condition for the hardship waiver.
Furthermore, now that Iowa has earned a trip to the conference championship ... our season is now AT LEAST 14 games. Thus, 30% of that will be 4.2 games. The question now is whether the program can demonstrate that he played in fewer than 4.2 games out of the first 6 that he participated in. Given the timing of his injury against Iowa State ... he missed over 3 quarters in that game. Against Illinois, he missed around 1 quarter (maybe more?). Thus, that AT LEAST brings him down to 5 games ... and that missed time cannot be debated. However, can any argument be made to bring it down the remaining 0.8 games? I bet it can ... however, that ends up putting us firmly in the realm of subjectivity.
For instance, Ott missed several series against Illinois State due to a bloody nose that they had trouble stopping. Due to the dislocated elbow, Ott's time was severely limited against Pitt. Unfortunately, he played a lot against North Texas ... even though he was largely ineffective. On the flip side, those reps may have "knocked off the rust" ... thereby helping him to be pretty darn dominant against Wisconsin.
It seems to me that Ott has a definite case for the medical redshirt.
Duzey, on the other hand, doesn't have a prayer for a hardship waiver. Duzey would be petitioning for a 6th year ... and given that he's played in quite a few games this season, he wouldn't have a good case for the waiver.
Nice breakdown ... I'll be curious to see how rigid the NCAA is about discerning the percent of playing time.
Speaking of the NCAA, when are we getting NCAA Football game back? That game was far better than Madden in my opinion. You would think they would be able to come to a settlement as far as how to make it work. Think of how different it would be now. Having the playoff component involved, updated rosters, updated uniforms, and so on.
King let alone ..any db would be hard pressed to have another season like this..he is probably at his highest draft position
What if: He had an injury (or they say he had an injury) that prevented him to play until his 7th game his Fresh year would that be beneficial to receiving a 5th year?
Per the rules, that should have no bearing on things. The only hang up is the 30% rule - or so it seems.
Ok so Ott played in 4 games this season correct or was it five? Did he miss a game for his elbow? I know he played Pitt, ISU, ISU, Wisconsin? DIdn't he miss NT game because of elbow? So we are guaranteed 14 games this year, does the big ten championship and bowl factor in or do they just consider 12 regular season games?
According to Hawkeyesports web site he played against N Texas.... I think he was credited with 2 solo tackles.
There are no half games, if you played 1 play in a game, it is considered another game played.
good to hear he's giving it a shot. when he came out to be recognized on senior day, i figured that was the end of that.... so, now maybe a 2nd senior day (would be cool)?
That may be true ... but that doesn't mean that it's right. Fortunately, these cases allow for context to be presented.
