Our future coach
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Taw, just responding to the comment that we were in "dark days" for football.
I don't know anyone who's happy, thrilled, content, etc. with where the program is at today. Just pointing out that if 7-6 is so horrible, we're maybe not in "dark days"... Just a touch of hyperbole there I think.
Also, I echo the earlier response. Ferentz is lickliter 2.0??? That's just a tad over the top, and I don't care how down you are on the program.
Oh yeah, comparing our last meaningful bowl appearance to what Nebraska does she be our benchmark and makes us feel better. Always great to see how some fans think to make themselves feel better.
We are 19-21 in conference play in the last 5 years. Enough said.
It is a shame a lot of folks do not have higher expectations than KF - career .500 football. Very sad!!
Dew, there is a segment of the Iowa fan base that believes Kirk is entitled to coach Iowa for life and should be exempt from any criticism because he had a real good run of it as head coach at Iowa during the first half of his career here. Also, because he is a "nice guy" and because "he's the perfect fit" in their minds.
This is why Iowa is just Iowa.
Forget the fact the second half of his career here (2007-2014) has been very average and generally underwhelming.
The difference here is one of us is trying to act serious and one of us doesn't realize the other is not......
A little OT but the HS coach of the Morrison Mustangs, Morrison Illinois, name is Cory Bielema. Does anyone know if he's related to Bret. He looks to be 150 lbs lighter than Bret so I can't see any family resemblance.
Bret is from Prophetstown and Cory from Sterling, fairly near each other, as is Morrison, so they could be related somehow, though Bielema is not an uncommon Dutch name. Cory has had some good teams and is also principal.
What I think is odd, is some fans don't seem to be able to want anyone to replace KF except Iowa grads. Don't they realize that concentrating on Iowa grads makes it seem like they think others wouldn't want to coach at Iowa? Like, yeah, BB or Stoops would come-- they went to Iowa!
Evy and Hayden weren't Iowa grads. Raff was, Commings was. Nuff said. When the time comes for KF to leave, and I don't think it's yet, let's not concentrate on just Iowa grads.
Probably that we are lucky to land a coach that had previously won the SWC Championship and taken a team to the Cotton Bowl.
I will be shocked if we hire a President that will be focused too heavily on the athletic department. Especially with a long list of challenges that will be waiting on his/her desk.
given some of the issues facing the athletic department, from the field hockey stuff to the federal review of women's athletics in general and of course the elephant in the room, what to do with Kirk. I kinda think that the new President is going to need to have some sort of connection to athletics. Hiring an Academic-heavy President with little or no connection to athletics will do the university little good.
So you like smoking things after they are twirled around in peoples rear ends?
Kirk still has a shot or two. We have reason to doubt, but we never know. I don't like Bret Bielema at the top of the short list. I'm not opposed to Bielema, but when the time comes we should vet all options and be willing to pay a good replacement.
I know some people get tired of the 60's and 70's references and they claim it does not matter in the grand scheme of things...I believe they are wrong.
I am a firm believer in that there are certain geographical realities that help partially determine the success of program.
The state of Nebraska does not look on the surface to have any real advantage or disadvantage over Iowa, But I think a great deal of their past success has to do with the fact they dominated an entire section of the country for 30+ years.
If you look at all the schools historically in what I would call the upper Midwest...Minnesota, Wisconsin, ND/SD, Nebraska, Iowa, Missouri, Kansas - and then blend in some Wyoming, Montana, and Colorado - it can be argued that the reason those states during the time of Nebraska's domination had zero programs even remotely close to consistent production of any success at all was because Nebraska had the areas locked up.
Then you add in Notre Dame and Michigan/OSU/PSU to our east...it's pretty easy to see that for almost a half century, NOBODY else really ever made a consistent dent in their domination.
Iowa has to fight through that generational fact. While I understand the concept that it shouldn't matter now...look at how that geographical area breaks down now. Wisconsin's been good to great, Iowa has been good to great at times, Missouri's had some success, heck even NW did. Michigan State has been very good lately.
But none of those have built a 20 to 30 year dominance on par with what Nebby did.
Also, how has that success Wisconsin and MSU has had recently affect say...Michigan, Penn State and Nebraska? Notice, they aren't what they used to be - or what we old farts grew up seeing.
There are only so many great players in these areas, and yes, logic does state that Iowa should be able to field a great team now and then.
But to say Iowa can have say a type of success they had in the 50's, or 80's, or parts of the 00's always - or even field say a "worst case scenario of say a 2003 or 2008" type program...history says the odds of doing that are pretty much slim. And it would be at the expense of another program.
Personally, I "blame" Ferentz' recent issues on the fact that Wisconsin rose up so high as a program, and Minnesota is getting much better players now too. I'd think the best thing to happen to Iowa no matter who the coach is would be for Wisconsin and Minnesota to drop a bit. And if you were to bet me that they will drop a bit...historically, I'd say the chances are pretty damn good they will - history tells us this! Last year, take Gordon off Wisconsin and they are a .500 team at best. Chryst...I think he's got his work cut out for him.
I am a firm believer in that there are certain geographical realities that help partially determine the success of program.
The state of Nebraska does not look on the surface to have any real advantage or disadvantage over Iowa, But I think a great deal of their past success has to do with the fact they dominated an entire section of the country for 30+ years.
If you look at all the schools historically in what I would call the upper Midwest...Minnesota, Wisconsin, ND/SD, Nebraska, Iowa, Missouri, Kansas - and then blend in some Wyoming, Montana, and Colorado - it can be argued that the reason those states during the time of Nebraska's domination had zero programs even remotely close to consistent production of any success at all was because Nebraska had the areas locked up.
Then you add in Notre Dame and Michigan/OSU/PSU to our east...it's pretty easy to see that for almost a half century, NOBODY else really ever made a consistent dent in their domination.
Iowa has to fight through that generational fact. While I understand the concept that it shouldn't matter now...look at how that geographical area breaks down now. Wisconsin's been good to great, Iowa has been good to great at times, Missouri's had some success, heck even NW did. Michigan State has been very good lately.
But none of those have built a 20 to 30 year dominance on par with what Nebby did.
Also, how has that success Wisconsin and MSU has had recently affect say...Michigan, Penn State and Nebraska? Notice, they aren't what they used to be - or what we old farts grew up seeing.
There are only so many great players in these areas, and yes, logic does state that Iowa should be able to field a great team now and then.
But to say Iowa can have say a type of success they had in the 50's, or 80's, or parts of the 00's always - or even field say a "worst case scenario of say a 2003 or 2008" type program...history says the odds of doing that are pretty much slim. And it would be at the expense of another program.
Personally, I "blame" Ferentz' recent issues on the fact that Wisconsin rose up so high as a program, and Minnesota is getting much better players now too. I'd think the best thing to happen to Iowa no matter who the coach is would be for Wisconsin and Minnesota to drop a bit. And if you were to bet me that they will drop a bit...historically, I'd say the chances are pretty damn good they will - history tells us this! Last year, take Gordon off Wisconsin and they are a .500 team at best. Chryst...I think he's got his work cut out for him.
Arkansas has played in 3 SEC Championship games, however, one was due to Bama being on probation. Of course Texas A&M was not in the conference for any of these three titles, but Arkansas has a 41-27 overall record against the Aggies. Concerning the money, that was not his reason for leaving Wisconsin, but the ability to pay and retain his staff was a big concern.
What? We can't beat ISU, manage a clock, or run a modern offense because Wisconsin was good for a couple years?
Our issues are much bigger than that. Our head coach actually hired Greg Davis on purpose. When you make moves that self destructive thats a problem at the very core of your program.
Wisconsin taking a few recruits has nothing to do with anything, they were good in the 2000s when Iowa was still good.
Iowa needs to hit the reset button as quickly as possible or else we continue to lose ground.
I agree that KF should be shown the door after this season, but I'd advise against wasting time trying to hire CBB unless he were to express a desire to come to Iowa. Arkansas has Walton money behind them and won't be outbid for a coach. If I were doing the hiring I would consider the following list of coaches
1. Mark Hudspeth
2.Kirby Smart
3. Bud Foster
4.Willie Fritz
5. Joey Jones
1. Mark Hudspeth
2.Kirby Smart
3. Bud Foster
4.Willie Fritz
5. Joey Jones
The past is the past. Most people look forward it look very bleak the ship has sailed KF and his crew need to go.
I'm friends with the WR coach for Arkansas. He flat out told me the Iowa is BB'a dream job. The problem is King KF is grooming his prince son BF to be the his heir, and Barta will do anything the the King wants. If we want BB, we need a new AD, who can see past the KF kingdom.
I can assure you one thing kciowan, Brian Ferentz absolutely will not be Iowa's next head football coach unless Kirk can work miracles and turn the program around 180 degrees in 2015 and then add another 4-5 more outstanding years behind this one and during that incredible run having made Brian the OC and Brian is the man credited as much as anyone for the turnaround.
BOTTOM LINE: Ain't going to happen. On top of this, there is the increasing "Ferentz Fatigue" factor people are growing tired of. Having another Ferentz in office so to speak after many years of Kirk is not something most want anymore.
You truly believe Kirk Ferentz still has a kingdom at Iowa and that Barta still views him as a God-like figure? Sorry dude, I think you are way off base in what you think. Kirk WAS those things at one time to the Iowa masses and to Barta; but not nearly as much now and my guess is he will be far less of those things after the 2015 season.
The Iowa football performances in the last 5 years, and likely what it will be in 2015, is only putting increased pressure on Barta to do something about it. Barta is seeing season ticket sales plunge annually for the past few years now, and if 2015 proves to be a real dud, he will see even a much greater decline from 2015 to 2016. He can't afford that.
NOTE: What amazes me most about your post, however, is you have been a member for over 12 years to this site and have now posted 2 times ever? WOW!
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The WR coach at Arkansas is making comments like that? He must not care much about his job.
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Stassen has it, preliminary:
- Ohio State
- TCU
- Alabama
- Baylor
- Oregon
- Michigan State
- Auburn
- Georgia
- USC
- Florida State
- Notre Dame
- UCLA
- Clemson
- LSU
- ASU
- Ole Miss
- Georgia Tech
- Boise State
- Stanford
- Wisconsin
- Oklahoma
- Arkansas
- Tennessee
- Arizona
- Texas A&M
- Missouri
- VA Tech
- Mississippi State
- Okie State
- Nebraska
- Penn State
- North Carolina
- Louisville
- Western Kentucky
- Northern Illinois
