That is not it, maybe recruit a team that compliments each other instead of the same type of player
Owen Freeman on the outs?
- Thread starter Fran-Con-2
- Start date
It could be any number of things. It's probably not a fracture. It's most likely a more advanced tendon injury that, if not surgically repaired, can lead to permanent mallet finger, or something similar to that.
Kreiner, along with Nunge were two of the most underappreciated players since Fran arrived. Both were good defenders and Nunge was an excellent rebounder. This team would be so much better with one of those guys on the floor.
Kreiner was a very mediocre player. Freeman was the Big Ten co Freshman of the year.
Nunge was a very nice player, could have used him for sure his last 2 seasons. Lots of unfortunate circumstances.
Kreiner early in his career and Nunge his entire time at Iowa were huge whipping boys on this board. Kreiner called a “DIII talent” and Nunge “soft”.
Nunge I think had the best rebounding rate his last year of any in Fran's tenure. That's how soft he was.
Last edited:
Nunge was a good player, I seem to remember he would come into the game firing up shots. Certainly could use a player like him on this team
Freeman is a very good player. Kriener was also a good player with a well rounded game his last 2 years. He had a 58% EFG % and rebounded at the same rate as Freeman. He was also a decent free throw shooter for a big man at around 70%.
We sorely missed Nunge after he transferred.
He ended up playing really well at Xavier. Meanwhile our center position never really recovered. Freeman seemed like he would be the answer, but alas….
Last edited:
Attendance is related to lack of hope and performance.
Easy to fact check. Iowa has had many years since Pierre Pierce that ranked in the top 20-25 in the country in attendance. Your assertion does not hold water. Nobody gives a shit about Pierre Pierce. They care about winning. Penn State draws over 100,000 for football games, even after the greatest scandal in NCAA history. Fans want a winner.
Exactly. ISU went from 0-18 in the Big 12 to a top 10 team almost overnight. Clean house.
He is not a better athlete than Garza. Neither can jump. Neither are fast or explosive. Garza's footwork was a billion times better.
Penn State fans also claimed it didn’t happen/wasn’t that bad/fought to keep Joe/etc after it all came out. Those people are effort g nuts.
We’re nuts too but a whole different kind of nuts.
Easy fact to check. AGAIN, nobody has claimed that the poor attendance has anything to do with Pierce
Some “nobody” posted this:
“There have been a few contributing factors since, but really, attendance hasn't been the same since Alford's mishandling of the Pierre Pierce incident”
Last edited:
I have no clue what Owen will do, but what you are saying sounds like a totally made up bullshit story
Correct.
And it was to say that simply attendance has not been the same since that incident.
That isn't the same as saying the incident has anything to do with present attendance.
That's already been explained in this thread
Last edited:
As stated above, I never said the Pierce incident has anything to do with present attendance.
And your stats don't necessarily prove that attendance didn't get worse since then. I'm not going to look it up, but was Iowa drawing better than top 20-25 before the incident?
Also, Iowa could have drawn more attendance in seasons where many other schools had high averages. So 12k might have put them in top 25 one season, but 13k might have been outside the top 25 another season.
All I remember is Carver consistently getting great crowds in the Davis years and Alford years before PP
When you say attendance “hasn’t been the same” since the Pierre Pierce incident, you are most certainly saying it DOES have something to do with present attendance (lingering effect or whatever). You are literally tracing the decline in attendance back to that specific point in time.
I know your usual response is “read better”……but when you get called out as often as you do, my response to you is “write better”. When you have multiple posters interpreting things you say differently than what you THINK you said….the problem lies on YOUR end.
Just once….be a man and admit you didn’t make yourself clear, and that it is your fault. I don’t think you can. Prove me wrong.
Also….your contention that attendance hasn’t been the same since Pierre Pierce is not correct. Blubberhawk has pointed that out. If you would check the facts, you would see that….up until last season, average attendance in most seasons has been similar or greater than in Pierce’s last year. I didn’t check every single year, but did most of them, and that’s what I found. I can make a list if needed.
Last edited:
That’s fine. You can believe whatever.
I’m just posting info I’ve seen from the same sources who said Owen was going to shut it down several days before any official announcement was made.
Similar threads
