Pat Likely to Play This Year
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Fran said Patrick will redshirt if he doesn't hit his target weight. I believe that was 190?? He isn't going to make that.
PMac will find out on day one he isn't physically ready. That doesn't mean he isn't skilled. He just needs to develop his body. That is what a redshirt is for. See Baer, Nunge, and on and on....
I like Fran, but he messed up by having too few swing players. We need two more players that can handle the 2/3 positions. Moss didn't help. But coach has/had plenty of scholarships, with his sons able to use theirs if necessary. Which it is not as we have two available now.
PMac will find out on day one he isn't physically ready. That doesn't mean he isn't skilled. He just needs to develop his body. That is what a redshirt is for. See Baer, Nunge, and on and on....
I like Fran, but he messed up by having too few swing players. We need two more players that can handle the 2/3 positions. Moss didn't help. But coach has/had plenty of scholarships, with his sons able to use theirs if necessary. Which it is not as we have two available now.
In the recent "summer interview" with Fran, Luka, and Joe W. I'm pretty sure he said that the weight training was going well and that the plan right now was for Patrick to play. I think he said that his game looked pretty good right now.
We are looking at a 10 man rotation this year. 4 guards. 2 SF. 4 posts. Granted, there will be a big problem with backcourt inexperience. Other than that, the team looks pretty well balanced from a position standpoint. Not sure how you fit 3 more swing players on that team.
Fran being a Dad, won't come out and say it, is going to play his boys together for as long as he can... It's not like Conner and Pat are going to be playing together in the pro's, so this is the memory dad is providing for his son's... So... Pat's not redshirting...!
Baer was a walkon and Nunge plays in the post.
Pat will most definitely play this year.
And your point would be??
PMac would most certainly benefit from a redshirt. Without question. His dad has said so... The selfish side of me would much rather see him play as a redshirt senior.
If you are to consider how much better a player he would be as a 5th year senior vs a 175# freshman. The tradeoffs are enormous. He would be a much bigger force and benefit to the team in that regard.
When would PMac play, if he plays this year? Answer: When Joe Wieskamp needs a breather. Literally. That is it.
The question is simple, how much of a benefit is he going to be spelling Joe Wieskamp for a few minutes a game?
The ONLY scenarios where I see a potentially big enough benefit for the redshirt to not be used, is if our backcourt is that bad... So bad we are forced to play Joe W at the 2. That would be a nightmare scenario for the Hawks.
OR PMac somehow gains a ton of weight and muscle in the next 5 months, and becomes so good that he HAS to start(or play major minutes). Then we have no choice but to move Joe W to the 2, so Patrick can play the 3, his only position he will be able to play....
This last scenario will not happen. But I would certainly be happy to eat a large plate of crow, if it does!!!
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Joe will play some 2 this year. PMac will average 15+ mpg.
Some people just don't comprehend the difference between a walk on and top 100 prospect.
A redshirt would help anyone. That's an obtuse argument. You could make that claim about AJ Epenesa. The bottom line is Pat will help this team this season.
Agree with this assessment 100%
Being tall and lanky could benefit Patrick in the long run, I like that he's 2 inches taller then Nicholas and having long arms may help him to provide the defense that Baer was know for.
What I don't like is that some on this board already have formed the opinion that because he's the coaches son he'll be worthless as a skinny kid.
I think he'll be just fine.
There is the possibility that Joe W could be gone after this year if he has a top end year. Playing Patrick could be getting him ready for next year in this scenario.
Patrick will go down as one of the greatest all around Hawks ever!
That is possible. Let’s hope it happens!
I think Joe will play a lot more shooting guard than people realize. It was the position he was originally recruited to, and it is his future pro position. He played “small forward” last year because he has a much better defender and rebounder than Moss was, but there isn’t big difference in our offense. Whatever position he ends up playing the most that will be determined by which combination of Evelyn, CJ, and Patrick is the most productive.
Count me in the club that thinks we are going to have a rough time if Patrick plays significant minutes on this team. He’s not athletic enough to play the 3 and doesn’t have the body/weight needed to play the 4. We just don’t have the athleticism on this team at guard to compete.
To me, considering most teams play at least 3 if not 4 guards at the same time these days you need 5-6 high quality guards in order to contend for a top 8 finish in the B1G. We don’t have that IMO. 1 solid player (Weiskamp), 2 rookies (Toussaint and Fredrick), and 2 marginal players (Evelyn and CMac). An average B1G team is going to have 3 decent vets, 2 rookies, and 1 marginal player at that position let alone a contender. Some of the expectations on this board for next year need to be reigned in big time - this is why many of us were so upset at the contract extension last year combined with the roster collapse/lack of recruiting to begin this offseason.
To me, considering most teams play at least 3 if not 4 guards at the same time these days you need 5-6 high quality guards in order to contend for a top 8 finish in the B1G. We don’t have that IMO. 1 solid player (Weiskamp), 2 rookies (Toussaint and Fredrick), and 2 marginal players (Evelyn and CMac). An average B1G team is going to have 3 decent vets, 2 rookies, and 1 marginal player at that position let alone a contender. Some of the expectations on this board for next year need to be reigned in big time - this is why many of us were so upset at the contract extension last year combined with the roster collapse/lack of recruiting to begin this offseason.
If we signed any other player in the world with patricks resume we would wonder if we can keep him four years
That’s very true. But I do hope Iowa does t have to rely on Patrick this year to be a big minute player. I do think he is going to be a very versatile and valuable player in his career (a more skilled Baer-type) but I do think best cases ensuring is if he can be that 10-15 minute a game player backing up Wieskamp (and playing with Wieskamp a little bit if he moves to the SG). I think he can be an energy player and cause havoc in the press and getting garbage buckets and out in transition next year. But hopefully Iowa is good enough where they don’t have to rely on him to be a big-time player next year.
If Patrick plays significant minutes, it will be because he is that good. And that would be great, but not expected.
Patrick is very talented. I agree with you about his body weight and playing the 4....but there is no reason for that to happen. We have some big, strong, experienced players on the front line that should not require Patrick trying to play that position.
As to his athleticism and playing the 3 or wing.....I disagree completely. That is one of the huge benefits that he has. At his height he has very good lateral quickness. Joe W is the primary reason that Patrick won't play a lot of minutes on the wing.
I share the concern about our guards.....I don't pretend to claim great knowledge but I do have a little different perspective. You mention Joe W as a "solid" player......he has been listed in at least one place as the best 2G in the B10. As far as Joe T, CJ, and Bakari they might be marginal, they might be worse, or they might be better. We don;t really know that at this point. That is my concern, is that group is unproven, and lack's experience at the B10 level. To me that means that the odds say that we aren't as good as we need to be, but it is certainly not out of the question that we will be at least a middle of the pack B10 team.
Name 4 B1G teams that have 5-6 "high-quality guards" and name the guards. This is a ridiculously high standard. Most teams don't even have 6 guards on their team unless you count small forwards as guards, and that is not what you said. Keep in mind that you consider Wieskamp to just be "solid", and you aren't counting "rookies".
Not athletic enough to play the 3? He runs like a deer, has good footwork and jumps out of the gym. If there is one problem he will not have, it's athleticism.
Do we have a current weight on Pat? My son has known Pat for a few years and said he had really bulked up at the Iowa basketball camp last week.
Going back to 1975 when has Iowa ever redshirted a freshman that is a universal top 82 national player?
PMcC is 62 on ESPN, 73 on Rivals, 82 on 247 & Scout.
Moreover, he plays a position at which Iowa presently has one other player on roster. Every player could benefit from a red shirt. Scrimmaging against college players, eating a relatively controlled diet and working with Big Ten level strength and conditioning coaches could only make a guy that wanted to get better actually better. That doesn't mean Iowa has the luxury of ever red shirting a recruit like P McC.
P has grown up being coached by his mom and dad; a successful college player and a pretty successful D1 coach. He went to the state's premier HS program and was coached by the best HS coach in Iowa. He's been an AAU star since Jesus wore sandals. I think the kid is going to as ready to play as anyone Iowa has ever recruited.
If he really needs to build upper and lower body strength in a hurry I'll bet Fran could call Scott Doyle or Kirk Ferentz and get him lifting and working with the wide receivers on strength and conditioning. That would help more than one of the really skinny kids (CJ....I'm talking to you).
Actually, that is a good idea. The NFL looks for "the NBA body" now for WRs, TEs, OTs, LBs and DEs, especially backers and ends. We do have the best S&C coach in the country on campus and vertical leap is a skill Coach Doyle prizes and develops. Why not use him for BBall too? Or at least let some BB guys that need to work on S&C join the backers or receivers in their off season program. Bet there are some receiver programs designed for footwork that would produce a more nimble Luka and Ryan.
PMcC is 62 on ESPN, 73 on Rivals, 82 on 247 & Scout.
Moreover, he plays a position at which Iowa presently has one other player on roster. Every player could benefit from a red shirt. Scrimmaging against college players, eating a relatively controlled diet and working with Big Ten level strength and conditioning coaches could only make a guy that wanted to get better actually better. That doesn't mean Iowa has the luxury of ever red shirting a recruit like P McC.
P has grown up being coached by his mom and dad; a successful college player and a pretty successful D1 coach. He went to the state's premier HS program and was coached by the best HS coach in Iowa. He's been an AAU star since Jesus wore sandals. I think the kid is going to as ready to play as anyone Iowa has ever recruited.
If he really needs to build upper and lower body strength in a hurry I'll bet Fran could call Scott Doyle or Kirk Ferentz and get him lifting and working with the wide receivers on strength and conditioning. That would help more than one of the really skinny kids (CJ....I'm talking to you).
Actually, that is a good idea. The NFL looks for "the NBA body" now for WRs, TEs, OTs, LBs and DEs, especially backers and ends. We do have the best S&C coach in the country on campus and vertical leap is a skill Coach Doyle prizes and develops. Why not use him for BBall too? Or at least let some BB guys that need to work on S&C join the backers or receivers in their off season program. Bet there are some receiver programs designed for footwork that would produce a more nimble Luka and Ryan.
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Who is Scott Doyle? Any relation to Chris?
For some reason I've got that wrong name stuck in my head and said the wrong first name 100 time. But, regardless of the name some of these too skinny kids should spend some time with Mr. Doyle.
A lot of time spent speculating about something (redshirting) that’s not going to happen if he’s healthy. PMAC is playing regardless if he’s 100 lbs or 375 lbs.
His weight is irrelevant in today’s college basketball. Long gone are the days of Uwe Blab backing a guy down 15 feet into the paint or Jim
Rowinsinki bench pressing guys out of the way.
Today’s game is predicated on quickness, athleticism, shooting (ability & shot creation) and ball handling. That’s what I would worry about with PMAC’s transition to college not his weight.
His weight is irrelevant in today’s college basketball. Long gone are the days of Uwe Blab backing a guy down 15 feet into the paint or Jim
Rowinsinki bench pressing guys out of the way.
Today’s game is predicated on quickness, athleticism, shooting (ability & shot creation) and ball handling. That’s what I would worry about with PMAC’s transition to college not his weight.
Interesting. I thought he had a terrible season. He couldn't shoot or defend. Good thing he didnt really turn the ball over. Oh wait that's only because he is fully incapable of beating anyone of the dribble so rarely did he try. Literally almost all of the big runs to either bury us in games last year or bring the game close was with him in the game. All of this said I haven't given up on him as he was a Frosh and played hard but dont try and spin any other way then he was a liability last year
Is it me or are there a lot of first time posters this week? I think this indicates a couple of trolls are trying to stir things up. Time for ignore.
That's not a very accurate statement at all...if you recall the ISU game early in the year he was a difference maker down the stretch. He handled the ball against pressure, beat their (future NBA?) guards going to the basket, scored and hit free throws. He was in at the end of games because he was a strong ball handler and a good free throw shooter. I'm not saying his defense was great....but he was as good of a defensive guard as we have/had.
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I think Connor had a fairly average season for a Freshman. He made some mistakes and he did some good things. I expect Connor to be much better in the coming season. If there is no growth, that would be cause for concern.
Connor was good. Even if he never develops into a scoring guard; a tall, well thought out player is going to be very beneficial to a team that struggles at defense and features the post.
He obviously needs to develop his shot, but that’s doable. I think Connor takes a big step forward next year. If Jobo can get healthy, the team has the potential to out perform the ‘18-‘19 squad.
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