Patrick Beverly (currently with the Bucks) talks about the WNBA hate for Caitlin
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That is spot on with those former players saying CC can’t be the greatest player because she didn’t win a title.
I wonder if Breanna Stewart could have taken Syracuse to back to back title games.
Wait, no I don’t because I am pretty sure she wouldn’t have.
I wonder if Breanna Stewart could have taken Syracuse to back to back title games.
Wait, no I don’t because I am pretty sure she wouldn’t have.
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And while I love some of our players, imagine her vision, anticipation and playmaking ability with a WNBA roster.
Look out.
Look out.
Evidently using decent language is also something that can't be taught.
Not surprising from PBev
Not surprising from PBev
Stewart is probably the best player, for a woman, in the world today.
Your point would have a better chance of being made if you were to choose a different player as an example
I watched Swoopes 47 pt night in the NCAA final 31 years ago. I thought she looked legit and dominant. While I hated her slanderous comments about CC, I can understand if she feels betrayed by her dismal era of wbb apathy.
Still no excuse for the brazen lies abt Clark, who will never stoop like swoopes
Still no excuse for the brazen lies abt Clark, who will never stoop like swoopes
Who's Peter Griffin?
Isn’t that exactly the point…..Stewart being the best player, and she didn’t take Syracuse to back to back National Championship games….so how can they use that as a standard for CC to be considered the best?
I think the Fever will at least have a big 3 with Caitlin.
The other 2 and their averages last season:
ALIYAH BOSTON......6'5, 22 years old.....14.5 pts, 8.4 reb, 2.2 assts
KELSEY MITCHELL...5'8, 28 years old.....18.2 pts, 1.6 rebs, 3.1 assts
Stewart won 4 titles at UCONN
Stewart herself didn't win any titles. She, along with four other five-star players did. Caitlin didn't have that luxury.
You don't make any sense. Put 4 other 5 stars on her team and fill the bench with great players and Clark would not have lost a game in 4 years. You must be blind not to see that or you do not want to see it. Wake up!!!
Eyesofhawk has Robert Horry as the best NBA player of all time. At one point, he had Bill Russell as the best because of all the titles. But he saw Russell use a curse word in an interview, so he knocked him down to #2.
Stewart would have won exactly ZERO championships at Iowa.
I'll say this about Breanna Stewart. She actually is a decent person, and I think the comment she gave about Clark needing a title was more of her getting caught in the moment with a microphone in her face.
Whether or not anyone thinks she's the greatest player in women's basketball history is definitely debatable. But she is probably the greatest winner in women's basketball history, given her list of accolades.
Joe Montana doesn't even rank in the top 15 in career passing yards, but he is widely regarded as one of the greatest winners in NFL history next to Tom Brady (and really 'Brady before Brady').
However, to yours and most others' point about the UConn teams Breanna Stewart played on in comparison to Iowa's:
(Obviously won national championship every year)
2012-2013: 35-4, actually finished 2nd in the Big East behind #2 Notre Dame, who was led by Skyler Diggins. They only lost to 2 teams that year (#1 Baylor and #2 Notre Dame x3). UConn would finally get their revenge though in the Final Four against the Irish, and then cruised to an easy title game win over Louisville, who had upset Baylor in the Sweet 16.
UConn had 2 seniors on that team, one of which was a 1st Rd pick in the WNBA draft.
**Fun side note- that Notre Dame team defeated Iowa in the 2nd Rd of the NCAA Tournament, in a game played in Iowa City, in front of a crowd of just under 4,800 people..................
2013-2014: 40-0, probably one of, if not the greatest women's teams of all-time. Swept AAC championships, rolled to their 2nd straight NCAA title and never won a game by LESS than 10 pts........
Their closest contest came in the middle of the season in a 66-55 win AT Baylor. They beat #2 Notre Dame by 19 in the Finals.
That was a massive blow to women's college basketball as a whole and set the game back years, because it was evident that it was UConn.........a few teams that earned the privilege of playing UConn in big games................and everybody else. It was bad.
Again, UConn had just two seniors on the team and both were 1st Rd draft picks in the WNBA.
2014-2015: 38-1, swept AAC championships again. Only loss came in second game of the season AT #6 Stanford, 88-86 in OT to snap their winning streak.
From there, though, they would go on to dominate everyone else, again not winning another game by LESS than 10 pts. They defeated #2 Notre Dame again in the Finals, 63-53.
**That Stanford team fizzled out and ended up a 4 seed in Iowa's region, losing to Notre Dame in the Sweet 16. Iowa, led by Samantha Logic, would lose the other Sweet 16 game against Baylor.
Once again, UConn had just two seniors, and both were selected in the 1st Rd of the WNBA draft, including Iowa native Kiah Stokes.
2015-2016: 38-0, swept AAC championships once again, only team to play them within 10 pts was then-#3 Notre Dame, 91-81. This was not quite as dominant, though, as their 40-0 season, as I would argue the competition was lacking more in this particular season, and it would be evident in the NCAA Tournament, as 3 other teams made their first-ever appearance in the Final Four to feed UConn easy wins en route to a 4th straight title.
All 3 other 1 seeds lost in or before the Elite 8 (Notre Dame to Stanford who lost to 7 seed Washington, Baylor lost to Oregon State, South Carolina lost to 4 seed Syracuse)
UConn's "end of an era" team had the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd players taken in the WNBA Draft, including obviously Breanna Stewart at #1. It was the first and only time thus far that a college team has had the top 3 players taken in a major professional sports league draft.
So to recap, they had the following 1st Rd draft picks in Stewart's 4 seasons at UConn:
11th
6th, 7th
3rd, 11th
1st, 2nd, 3rd
That's 7 other 1st Rd draft picks that she played with in her 4 years at UConn, and that's not even counting the ones that would get drafted in the following years, who were a part of those 4 teams.
Caitlin Clark had Monika Czinano, who was a 3rd Rd pick, and potentially Hannah Stuelke (and maybe an outside shot at Kate Martin getting picked up).......................and that's it (not to take away from what the rest of those women did to help Iowa accomplish what they did)
Sorry for the TL;DR
Still though, one could fantasy book how a team of Stewart, Kiah Stokes and Sam Logic would've done........
Odd but fun fact some may not know, or care about, but UConn has only played for one national title since that 4 year reign of terror, in 2022 when they lost to South Carolina.
They've been to numerous Final Fours since then but finally started to show they were fallible after all those years of holding back women's college basketball.
The following year after their 4-peat, they were upset by Mississippi State in the Final Four in what many argue is the greatest upset in women's basketball history, and certainly one of the tops in sports history in general.
Another oddity to keep an eye on, if you're into that sort of thing, is the fact that 2018 Notre Dame, led by Arike Ogunbowale, is the only team since UConn's title reign ended, to beat UConn before the national championship game, and proceed to win the title (i.e. beat them in the Final Four, or earlier, and go on to win the championship).
Relax guys. My original post mentioned nothing about where Stewart went to college or who the college GOAT is.
Perry seemed to think Stewart went to Syracuse, so I was informing him that she actually went to UCONN and won four titles while she was there.
Follow the thread before you go getting bent out of shape about something
Perry seemed to think Stewart went to Syracuse, so I was informing him that she actually went to UCONN and won four titles while she was there.
Follow the thread before you go getting bent out of shape about something
No, she is the one that ran her mouth the most about the concept. My point was only that I don’t think she could’ve taken her hometown team to championships instead of doing it on a roster full of McDonald’s all Americans. Not trying to say she isn’t a great player. If she would have played at Syracuse, change their program and put up a ton of stats, but didn’t win the title. Would she still be great, pne of the best ever? I’m going to her she wouldn’t be.
I will admit, I don’t follow the women’s game enough to know what you seem to know.
I just used Syracuse because that’s where she’s from. Like Clark is from Iowa. Sorry I should’ve drawn a picture.
It's not an outside shot that Kate Martin gets drafted - she's almost certainly going to the Fever with Caitlin.
Ok. My only point is that Stewart is probably the best woman's basketball player in the world at this current moment. I believe she was the MVP of the WNBA last season.
I think the confusion probably comes in that it isn't clear whether people are talking about the GOAT or the college GOAT. Really the GOAT conversation shouldn't include college players or college careers unless a college player is actually the greatest player of all-time. Stewart and Clark are both certainly in the conversation for college GOAT. But I don't think either is in the conversation for actual GOAT
Is Stewart the best player in the WNBA at the moment?
I get the feeling from others that follow the WNBA in any kind of capacity that it was debatable........
That certainly is debatable. As of last season, Stewart would be my pick, if I had to pick one. But there are definitely a handful of players on her level
She IS the conversation. Look at the eyes she put on the game. More than what was on the mens game this year. Enough said
South Carolina had FOURTEEN 5 star recruits on the roster and one 4 star. 14!
Iowa had 1. Again, this is a team sport. You're telling me that Larry Bird isn't an all time great college player because he didn't win a championship? Pistol Pete isn't? GTFOOH
Iowa had 1. Again, this is a team sport. You're telling me that Larry Bird isn't an all time great college player because he didn't win a championship? Pistol Pete isn't? GTFOOH
Although Pat bev can come off as a different cat at times. I like the things he says. He isn’t afraid to speak the truth and say it like it is and doesn’t back down from what he says.
Or how many any of those other players would have had being the only 5-star at Iowa? the entire debate is laughable.
This article is very well written:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ran-players-cold-taurasi-stewart/73323868007/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ran-players-cold-taurasi-stewart/73323868007/
This make 0 sense.
Stewart would not have taken any team like iowa to a title. Womens college basketball has a few allstar teams competing with the rest have far far inferior talent. Winning a title when 90% of your roster is a mcdonalds all american should be expected. The fact she won 4 is nowhere near a stretch of the imagination.
Getting drafted is one thing but how does Kate make the roster when there's only 144 total jobs in the WNBA?
12 roster spots x 12 teams = 144 jobs
The only way I see it is if the fever take her, which is not realistic.
