Shut your mouth. Connor McCaffery is the best 27-year old PG this school has ever had.
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PMAC desperately tries to avoid contact on D. Forgot what OSU guy drove on him towards the end but the guy gets all the way to the hoop basically through Patrick. Patrick is back peddling as fast as possible to get out of the way, arms flailing and look of terror on his face, but the dude keeps going at him.....pretty emblematic of Patrick's D.
"Top 20 before the start of January" means nothing, and the McCaffery Era has been a prime example of that.
PMac has all the athletic things you want in a stretch 3/4. He is tall, big wingspan, and can jump. His problem is he is timid and honestly has gotten worse in almost every facet of the game. He doesn't rebound, plays small, turns the ball over, and isn't a good shooter. Other than those things, he is great!
What you didn't appreciate his 4 fouls last night? He figured out the way to get sent to the bench under Fran was to get 2 fouls in the first half, so he only had more than 1 foul in I believe 7 games this season, so was able to stay on the court. Fran wouldn't send them to the bench for poor defense.
That's how you stay on the court at Iowa.
Oh he looks very white to me. I feel like his tats make him look even more pale skinned.
Agreed. I like Dembele's upside. He's not scared of the moment. Frankly, none of our freshman seem scared of the moment.
Dembele doesn't hesitate. I know he missed a lot of threes and jumpers but when he starts knocking those down, he'll be a tough matchup. I was fine with him shooting. He never forced anything.
I like this freshman class. All four will be good players for Iowa with couple possibly being outstanding.
Completely agree with both of these.
I really like FMC in many ways. He is a very bright guy who has done some really good things to get Iowa back to being a nationally competitive program. However, he completely lost me with the way he under utilized first round picks to over utilize his own kids. To me, it was wholly unforgivable and a sign that he is willing to put personal gain over the health of the program—and for that reason, I’d like him to retire soon
Let's hope Patrick is really gone next year. Krikke gave us what he had, but he is slow and my vertical might have been better until my recent knee replacement. I disagree about Tony returning, but he did play his worst in the last few games.
I will not miss watching him lollygag on defense, avoid contact, and leave his guy wide open for a kickout 3.
It’s also hard to quantify, but I guarantee we either did not pursue other quality recruits that would have competed for his minutes and/or missed out on recruits due to the obvious deference to play his son more minutes that he should. It’s definitely on Fran for not actively trying to improve that aspect for the team. You can’t have a 6’9 player that cannot rebound or do anything particularly well for that matter. Original poster was spot on - he’s just kinda “there” when on the court.
It’s also hard to quantify, but I guarantee we either did not pursue other quality recruits that would have competed for his minutes and/or missed out on recruits due to the obvious deference to play his son more minutes that he should. It’s definitely on Fran for not actively trying to improve that aspect for the team. You can’t have a 6’9 player that cannot rebound or do anything particularly well for that matter. Original poster was spot on - he’s just kinda “there” when on the court.
Looking back - how much better off would this team be at the end of this year AND for next year if Dembele would have gotten most of Pmac’s minutes. Fran insisting on playing a stretch 4 that can’t rebound, play defense, or be an above average 3-pt threat is totally laughable. An unbiased coach would have invested more in a young players development like Dembele.
Watch Dembele turn into a 1st round draft pick after picking up 28 minutes a game from PMac...
There's diffidently visually more upside in Dembele then Patrick but, getting Patrick to become a thousand point scorer at Iowa, in my opinion and I know you're not with me on most things, for most players is a rare accomplishment.
Patrick may be many things, but I believe he played to the best of his ability, his coach just over valued him and played him over potentially better players.
Unfortunately, none of us sees what go's on at practices to agree or disagree with Fran's rotation decisions.
I don't know about half. I can think of one off the top of my head though.
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Four years playing 30 games a year with 1,100 points is 9.17 points per game average. That isn’t an accomplishment, that should be the floor with every player, especially one that played for four years and as much as PMac did averaging 15-20 minutes per game.
I know he has been through a lot, but it's time for him to go.
Exactly. I'm sure he's a great dude. As someone that's battled anxiety too, I get it. But from a purely basketball perspective, he needs to move on because he just didn't help the team....at all.
No point on dwelling on what Patrick's extended minutes did to the team's success or other player development. It's done. I still keep wondering why the assistant coaches sat by and watched what we all saw without saying something to Fran. Lowers my opinion of the entire coaching staff.
It's done.....maybe. He could do one of those recruitment commit style pictures where he gives some inspirational text about coming back for unfinished business.
I mean, we don't know that nothing was ever said to Fran. When it all comes down to it, it's his call.
You need to be a LOT tougher than Patrick to start talking about unfinished business.
I'm not worried about Patrick coming back.
I am worried about Fran coming back.
I am worried about Fran coming back.
Wasn't he rated the top player in HS when he graduated? What did they see in him?
Wtf is our strength coach doing. We got a bunch of skinny noodle arms.
Iowa would be fortunate to have a 29 year old leader of men with cool tattoos to see, come back and play a 8th season.
No doubt.
Payton Sandfort is a Junior and looks like he’s never touched a weight in his life.
Pretty common in the Fran era though.
Perkins looks like he has been working out with the football team.
Ogundele never got in shape.
Guess it's up to the player to get jacked or to get Jack-In-The-Box (not very relevant to Iowa but going with it.)
Payton is 6'7 and listed at 215lbs. That's not exactly "noodle arms." I'd guess that's pretty close to average for a Division 1 basketball player of his height and position. For comparison, Kyle Korver was listed at 6'7 212lbs.
I get it from Frans yes men assistants but I always find myself thinking it has to be tough for Gattens to watch some if the stuff that goes on.
Whenever Fran goes on one if his outbursts Matt looks so annoyed.
Oh I agree with you, PMac scoring 1,000 pts is a great accomplishment. And as you said, at the expense of better players. I blame his lack of progression on his mom & dad. Sometimes you need a little tough love (& I don't mean physically) to motivate a kid. Do this & this or don't play.... By all looks, he's a great kid. Just not a great D1 level talent.
12:30 mark of the highlights. Patrick’s defensive prowess encapsulated in one play.
Does Gatens get a chance to replace Fran? Probably not as he has no head coaching experience.
Watch jack go on to have the best of the three. Even without the tragic incident or “negative” fans every school has, it still makes sense that he would see his brothers challenges of playing for their father and wanting to pave his own way. Commendable.
From highlights seems like he has good leadership skills. So he’s probably going to have positive impact.
From highlights seems like he has good leadership skills. So he’s probably going to have positive impact.
Illinois:
Luke Goode--6'7 212lbs
Ty Rodgers--6'6 210lbs
OSU:
Scotty Middleton--6'7 190lbs
Jamison Battle--6'7 220lbs
Evan Mahaffey--6'6 200lbs
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