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People are quitting if not allowed to work from home

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I'm not understanding this math

Edit, oh you mean the proceeds from the sale

The house in suburban Chicago has a $12k yearly tax bill, the one in upstate New York is almost nothing. Everything from eating out to utilities is cheaper too, it’s a no brainer

This wfh thing is a very bad recipe for areas with a lot of legacy debt
 
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That's management's fault for not tracking productivity and holding people accountable for getting their work done. I bet those people they nailed on the VPN search are the same people while at the office that hung out at the water cooler, etc. Productivity probably hasn't changed at all. Plus they must really be dumb to at least not log on to the VPN during work hours but I can understand that too. Why? Because over the last year I have noticed people on my team working crazy hours. Not on during the day but still getting everything done. For fun one night I logged on at 2AM just to see and there were several people working. Had one IM me because they noticed me logged on, had another email me at 4AM. They were still working, probably more hours than before, just not working conventional 9-5.
Could you all see the porn that the other people were streaming?
 
It'll be interesting to see some of the effects of increased teleworking.

I know here in the Destin area house prices have exploded, rents have doubled, because we have a ton of folks coming down that are teleworking.

Companies can reduce infrastructure...office space...which will eliminate custodial jobs and folks that lease office space will lose revenue.

As folks that can telework (mostly middle class and up) move away from undesirable locations those communities are going to lose a lot of revenue.

I think we've just seen the tip of the ice burg on this...
Ice burg? Looks like we found the guy from Clinton.
To your point, somewhere I read an article today about Wall Street buying up housing. Commercial real estate isn’t producing money right now, and with so many people working from home being a renter is lucrative. Being a distant, crappy corporate landlord is even more lucrative.
 
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Ice burg? Looks like we found the guy from Clinton.
To your point, somewhere I read an article today about Wall Street buying up housing. Commercial real estate isn’t producing money right now, and with so many people working from home being a renter is lucrative. Being a distant, crappy corporate landlord is even more lucrative

Rents in Destin have basically doubled since I got here in 2017....it’s nuts.
 
IIRC, Ford announced 30k workers can choose to WFH. That may or may not have impact to their main campus, but that’s a significant shift regardless of previous investments.
Our company has proposed a hybrid model in which many who once had offices will now share open collaborative space with others. I’m really looking forward to sitting in around a table with 8 others while we are all on the phone with people that were never in the office in the first place and will continue not to be. /sarcasm
If I was a Ford worker, I would make sure I was not working at home. Out of sight out of mind, easier to fire someone you don’t see and therefore don’t know on a personal level, and if you are easy to set up at home, it seems you would easy to take down.
 
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Eating breakfast and lunch out was always out of convenience when in the office but after saving an extra $25 on doing that every day, it’s not like I’m going to all of a sudden start doing it again just because that’s what some landlords and businesses consider to be ‘normal.’ It’s too bad that 18 months into this and this part of the economy hasn’t accepted it and moved on, I know I wouldn’t sit around waiting while paying astronomical rent for somebody to flip the switch so my jimmy johns chain can go back to serving $15 lunches
 
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Eating breakfast and lunch out was always out of convenience when in the office but after saving an extra $25 on doing that every day, it’s not like I’m going to all of a sudden start doing it again just because that’s what some landlords and businesses consider to be ‘normal.’ It’s too bad that 18 months into this and this part of the economy hasn’t accepted it and moved on, I know I wouldn’t sit around waiting while paying astronomical rent for somebody to flip the switch so my jimmy johns chain can go back to serving $15 lunches
I actually have a different spin. I was hit or miss brining food to work or getting lunch. During the heights of the pandemic when I was mostly home, I got used and being physically comfortable. Now that I am back in the office all of the time, I like to buy my lunch as a perk for being here. Mind you, I don't spend $25, more like 5 to 10 on a burrito or chik-fil-a sandwich.
 
I actually have a different spin. I was hit or miss brining food to work or getting lunch. During the heights of the pandemic when I was mostly home, I got used and being physically comfortable. Now that I am back in the office all of the time, I like to buy my lunch as a perk for being here. Mind you, I don't spend $25, more like 5 to 10 on a burrito or chik-fil-a sandwich.

It added up quickly for me and I think $25 was on the low end - $5 for trains, $6 for breakfast, $12-15 for lunch, maybe $11-14 for a cocktail for my ride home if it’s a Thursday or Friday. Then you think that you might have dirtied $10 worth of dry cleaning, maybe get that 2nd coffee or snack, etc. It’s probably $10k+ a year in pointless spending that I took out of the economy that I have no plans to put back in. It was probably close to $20k a year when i lived in NYC or when I had to work out of it
 
It added up quickly for me and I think $25 was on the low end - $5 for trains, $6 for breakfast, $12-15 for lunch, maybe $11-14 for a cocktail for my ride home if it’s a Thursday or Friday. Then you think that you might have dirtied $10 worth of dry cleaning, maybe get that 2nd coffee or snack, etc. It’s probably $10k+ a year in pointless spending that I took out of the economy that I have no plans to put back in. It was probably close to $20k a year when i lived in NYC or when I had to work out of it
That makes sense. I just wake up, shower, hop in my vehicle, and drive 15 to 20 minutes to work. Once there we have good coffee and tea available all day. For lunch I just go down the elevators and grab fast casual food, and then eat at my desk. At the end of the day I just drive 15 to 20 minutes back home. Rinse and repeat. I would add that looking at the math, if I were to pack a lunch, the food cost would probably be between $3 and $5, depending on the quality of bread I am using, how much deli meat I pile on, and what veggies I garnish it with.
 
A month or two after we had to take 20% pay cuts early in the pandemic I noticed that I was not "feeling the pain" of losing that much of my paycheck and dug into what going in to the office cost me.

$20/day commute (parking, train, bus) = $400/month
$15/day food = $300/month
$20/week dry cleaning = $80/month

This savings is almost $10,000 per year. Granted it didn't make up for the 20% pay cut but we ended up getting that back plus interest after several months in as the company was performing better in the pandemic than we did pre-pandemic.
 
A month or two after we had to take 20% pay cuts early in the pandemic I noticed that I was not "feeling the pain" of losing that much of my paycheck and dug into what going in to the office cost me.

$20/day commute (parking, train, bus) = $400/month
$15/day food = $300/month
$20/week dry cleaning = $80/month

This savings is almost $10,000 per year. Granted it didn't make up for the 20% pay cut but we ended up getting that back plus interest after several months in as the company was performing better in the pandemic than we did pre-pandemic.

You are the second person to comment on savings for dry cleaning. What do you have dry cleaned on a weekly basis?
 
Read somewhere (sorry cant recall where I saw the link) that people are not wanting to go back to the office and would rather quit.

im not surprised. It seems illogical to think everyone must physically be in an office building to do work they can do at home. Of course there is a benefit of social interactions but let people decide for themselves.
Who wants to lose 2-3 hours a day commuting, gas to drive to work or to train station, commuter train tickets, plus the cost of proper clothes, day care for kids, etc.? Quality of life, man.
 
You are the second person to comment on savings for dry cleaning. What do you have dry cleaned on a weekly basis?
Dry cleaning being shorthand for laundered. Dress shirts laundered, pressed, and starched (5 per week) and then slacks, sport coats, and suits on a less regular basis. Shirts are $2 each so that is half the weekly total and then usually a combination of other items to get to $20/week.
 
Who wants to lose 2-3 hours a day commuting, gas to drive to work or to train station, commuter train tickets, plus the cost of proper clothes, day care for kids, etc.? Quality of life, man.
For me it is a mixture. I can't replace frequent collaboration with colleagues on issues where you just darken each other's door, or grabbing a conference room to white board some ideas, by being at home. I don't "want" to do that but in terms of being competent, there really is no substitute. With that said, I can replace producing written product in the office by doing it at my home office. So I am probably a 13 days in the office per 2 days cranking something out at home guy (and no, that is not a euphemism for whacking it). Working from home is just infrequent enough where it seems like a treat now. Especially, ahem, when I work from home on gorgeous summer days when a midafternoon dip in the pool may or may not be taken...
 
Our company is targeting the Tuesday after Labor Dar as the return to all offices. What we don't know yet is if we prefer hybrid or full time remote it will be granted. We all filled out a survey a while back so we'll see what they do with the results. If they force everyone back I think we'll see a lot of people leave, and I'll be looking. I don't want to go back even in a hybrid model and definitely not exclusively in the office.
Here is the deal.

Are you privileged?

Do you actually grow some food, clean up after any one, take care of the sick, elderly or infants?

Do you build anything or fix up people's homes?

Guess what, some people do and have no choice.

Enjoy yourself, it's later than you think.
 
That makes sense. I just wake up, shower, hop in my vehicle, and drive 15 to 20 minutes to work. Once there we have good coffee and tea available all day. For lunch I just go down the elevators and grab fast casual food, and then eat at my desk. At the end of the day I just drive 15 to 20 minutes back home. Rinse and repeat. I would add that looking at the math, if I were to pack a lunch, the food cost would probably be between $3 and $5, depending on the quality of bread I am using, how much deli meat I pile on, and what veggies I garnish it with.
I suggest investing $40 in a hotlogic mini to cook your lunch.Amazon product ASIN B074TYC7DY
 
I have a microwave under my desk bro


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For me it is a mixture. I can't replace frequent collaboration with colleagues on issues where you just darken each other's door, or grabbing a conference room to white board some ideas, by being at home. I don't "want" to do that but in terms of being competent, there really is no substitute. With that said, I can replace producing written product in the office by doing it at my home office. So I am probably a 13 days in the office per 2 days cranking something out at home guy (and no, that is not a euphemism for whacking it). Working from home is just infrequent enough where it seems like a treat now. Especially, ahem, when I work from home on gorgeous summer days when a midafternoon dip in the pool may or may not be taken...
This is where different companies, industries and work styles vary. I actually miss in-person collaboration. While I’ve worked remotely for a decade plus, I really enjoy the normal 2-4 gatherings per year where we get in a room and work on stuff.

That said, my company is talking about return to office, though plans are getting delayed now with Delta raging. If I go back to the office, I’ll be the only person there, maybe with one peer who does different work. I have 16 directs: 1 would be in a different Charlotte office, 1 in Raleigh, 3 in Texas, 1 in DC, 1 in Virginia, 1 in Iowa, 2 in Atlanta, 2 in Cali, 1 in Iowa, 1 in Utah, 2 in Arizona. So…..why would I be going to the office? Just to commute in, pay for parking, not have a consistent office and buy more lunches?
 
Wait a minute I thought all the WFH people were “non essential”? Now you’re saying get back to the office? Take a hike. Those “office adjacent” industries need to innovate or die, that’s the free market way. We didn’t tell people to stop buying model T’s so the horse and buggy dealers would stay in business.
 
Just got an update: As of tomorrow we are no longer required to work in the office until further notice...you can if you want to, but if you do, regardless of vaccination status, you have to wear a mask as per keeping with yesterday's change in Philly's mask requirements (we don't require vaccinations to enter the building, so everyone has to mask up)
 
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