People should stop trashtalking Conner and Patrick

[unIowa]

Who’s trashing Patrick? That kid is a stud. He’s much better than Connor right now.

Having Connor on the roster and now JoeT gives Fran the oppotunity to look at landing a big fish PG in the coming years as he has 2 PGs on the roster. If Fran hooks one that can change the program then great but as of now he won't have to settle for any 3star PGs for the next few years.

Having Connor on the roster really helps this team in a couple of different ways, he isn't perfect but he is more than serviceable and does bring some positives to the team, positives that I imagine will continue to get better every year.

 

[hawkeyeinmo]

I've liked Bohannon from the start. Love his shooting and his confidence. You could tell even as a freshman he had something.

You may be right that it's too early to write off Patrick, but Connor's never going to be a difference-maker in this conference. I'll be positively surprised if Patrick even gets to the Nicholas Baer level over his career... but one was a walk-on and one is a top 100 recruit.

Connor was a “difference maker” THIS year. While he may not have contributed as much as Joe W in the improvement from last year did you see how the Hawkeye team was last year without a capable backup pg?

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

I’ve said this in other threads, but thought it’s worthy of its own.

The negativity toward these two KIDS is amazing. Patrick hasn’t even played a single game at Iowa and is nationally ranked somewhere between 58 to 87th best recruit this year.

As for Conner, he filled a huge gap this year. He averaged 3.1 assists per game while playing 18.6 minutes versus JBo who averaged 3.4 assists in 31 minutes per game. Conner’s TO was 1.3 per game vs 1.7 for JBo. He is tied with JBo on steals at .7 per game.

No question that Conner needs to work on his shot and become more like JBo (that is if anyone can be like him). Conner has a good form and range but lacks in confidence, which I’m sure will come next year. More than anything else I like the kid’s fighstiness, as he never backs up against anyone.

Great post.

 

[IowaNiceHawk]

This narrative that Connor and Patrick are only on the team because their dad is the coach is such bullshit. They are both good recruits on their own merits.

The worst are people who shit-talk the players on social media. Garbage.

Twitter should institute some kind of test to be on there.
Such as, you have to be able to spell your own name.
Yet, in today's world there's all kinds of thumb-sucking, dredges who are
so ignorant it's scary.

GO HAWKS !!

 

[unIowa]

Connor was a “difference maker” THIS year. While he may not have contributed as much as Joe W in the improvement from last year did you see how the Hawkeye team was last year without a capable backup pg?

Plus his size and strenght was very beneficial on the defenisve side of the ball this year, most people don't see those types of contributions when they 'evaluate' a players impact to the team. Hell Connor and JoeW IMO are the two biggest factors why the defense was so much better this year vs last.

 

[Pepperman]

Connor was a “difference maker” THIS year. While he may not have contributed as much as Joe W in the improvement from last year did you see how the Hawkeye team was last year without a capable backup pg?

I disagree. Joe W was a difference maker. I would like to use the phrase "You know one when you see one", but in this case, I think I have to modify it to "I know one when I see one."

 

[hawkeyeinmo]

I disagree. Joe W was a difference maker. I would like to use the phrase "You know one when you see one", but in this case, I think I have to modify it to "I know one when I see one."

So you don’t think Connor was an improvement over Ellingson as the backup pg? LOL

 

[AJBHawkeye]

I think the issue is that people are expecting to see some more 4* attributes out of him. One would think a 4* guard could drive to the basket and make a better percentage of his 3-point shots. So yes, in that regards I don't think Conner lived up to his rating, but really no need to bash on the kid. If he was ranked a 2 or 3* recruit and played the way he did this season, we wouldn't have these discussions. So give him some time to get closer to that 4* ranking, since this was his first year of college ball.

 

[twindman]

We can hope that Connor gets his 3pt shot back to high school days. I am pretty sure he shot over 40% then. If he hits that mark, we will have a VERY good group of guards.

 

[Pepperman]

So you don’t think Connor was an improvement over Ellingson as the backup pg? LOL

I think we're having fundamentally different conversations here, so that's the first thing I'd point out. When I say "difference maker in the B1G", that's not me making relative player comparisons with Ellingson or whoever else you want to put on the table.

But since you asked, here's how I'd break it down. Connor's a better ball handler. Ellingson had more of an offensive game. From what I see of Connor, he's a decent defender and being totally honest I can't really recall how Ellingson was on D.

Picking Ellingson is interesting to me though. I kind of thought CW was going to be the backup PG and then he bolted all of the sudden. Is Connor's game that much better than CW? I don't know.

Back to my original point though - Connor is not a difference maker in the B1G. My personal opinion is he'll never be one either.

 

[hawkeyeinmo]

I think we're having fundamentally different conversations here, so that's the first thing I'd point out. When I say "difference maker in the B1G", that's not me making relative player comparisons with Ellingson or whoever else you want to put on the table.

But since you asked, here's how I'd break it down. Connor's a better ball handler. Ellingson had more of an offensive game. From what I see of Connor, he's a decent defender and being totally honest I can't really recall how Ellingson was on D.

Picking Ellingson is interesting to me though. I kind of thought CW was going to be the backup PG and then he bolted all of the sudden. Is Connor's game that much better than CW? I don't know.

Back to my original point though - Connor is not a difference maker in the B1G. My personal opinion is he'll never be one either.

We definitely bare NOT on the same page. No, I’m not comparing individuals. But, yes Connor ran the pg position better than CW did and if it was not apparent to you how weak Ellingson was on defense I am shocked. Connor brought more on offense than Ellingson even with his 5-25 3 point shooting. You said DIFFERENCE MAKER. Connor was an improvement at backup pg. He made a difference. Is he a PROGRAM CHANGER? No. You used difference maker when it seems like “program changer” may have been more appropriate.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

If you call this trashing, then I guess me, but I don't consider this to be trashing:

Patrick won't be a difference maker in the B1G. Connor never will be either (in basketball anyway).

Realize when I say this I'm talking about the anticipation people have for a top 100 ranked recruit. Those are the types that eventually make it to a 2nd or 3rd team all conference squad... I don't see either one even approaching that while at Iowa.

Congrats on disagreeing with guys who are paid to evaluate kids.

And no, not all 4* kids achieve the level you described. Not even close.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

I think we're having fundamentally different conversations here, so that's the first thing I'd point out. When I say "difference maker in the B1G", that's not me making relative player comparisons with Ellingson or whoever else you want to put on the table.

But since you asked, here's how I'd break it down. Connor's a better ball handler. Ellingson had more of an offensive game. From what I see of Connor, he's a decent defender and being totally honest I can't really recall how Ellingson was on D.

Picking Ellingson is interesting to me though. I kind of thought CW was going to be the backup PG and then he bolted all of the sudden. Is Connor's game that much better than CW? I don't know.

Back to my original point though - Connor is not a difference maker in the B1G. My personal opinion is he'll never be one either.

You realize that Williams left because Connor, who wasn’t been going to play, was way better than him in practice right?

 

[Pepperman]

Congrats on disagreeing with guys who are paid to evaluate kids.

And no, not all 4* kids achieve the level you described. Not even close.

Sigh. Why must you TWIST every word and phrase? I did NOT say every 4*. I said most top 100 recruits would be expected to achieve 2nd or 3rd team status if they live up to the ranking.

Anyway, carry of with your love for a player who is probably not even average as far as B1G players go. I will be a realist about this, which is not trashing him.

Which McCaffrey are you anyway?

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

I think we're having fundamentally different conversations here, so that's the first thing I'd point out. When I say "difference maker in the B1G", that's not me making relative player comparisons with Ellingson or whoever else you want to put on the table.

But since you asked, here's how I'd break it down. Connor's a better ball handler. Ellingson had more of an offensive game. From what I see of Connor, he's a decent defender and being totally honest I can't really recall how Ellingson was on D.

Picking Ellingson is interesting to me though. I kind of thought CW was going to be the backup PG and then he bolted all of the sudden. Is Connor's game that much better than CW? I don't know.

Back to my original point though - Connor is not a difference maker in the B1G. My personal opinion is he'll never be one either.

It depends on your defintion of "difference maker." Connor was a big upgrade over any alternatives at the back up PG, so he made a difference. He seems to lack confidence in his outside shot, but otherwise, he is a very solid back up PG. He is especially good at the end of games, playing a smart, tough all-round game, and he can shoot FTs. Just think back a year ago, when half the board seemed to be calling for Dailey to play PG.

 

[hawkjt]

Connor ended up as #150 in composite rankings.
If you expect guys at his ranking to make top 15 in one of top 6 leagues by their junior year that would mean only 90guys out of 300-450 top 150 recruits would make your cut as a difference maker
Too high a bar.
I think he will shoot better which will allow him to power drive much more effectively as his career moves along.

 

[Robster Raws]

5% of every fan base are idiots. Unfortunately, 80% of these idiots make up the posters on messsge boards.

So...4% of the posters are idiots? Is my math right?

Just kidding. I know what you meant.

 

[Mathawks]

Conner is not a big 10 player, and patrick is gonna be worse than him.

 

[TheTruthTheWholeTruth]

Conner is not a big 10 player, and patrick is gonna be worse than him.

And

 

[HawkLogic]

And guess what? Parents of recruits and parents of current scholarship players do read these forums.

Look at the football board as an example. Desmond Hudson's dad posted about his son getting murdered, which allowed a man needing a heart to live. And you know what's sad? A couple posters told him to be ready because attacks on his son will eventually happen.

If you have a kid playing at P5 level, you either need a very thick skin or better yet, just ignore the fan boards.

 

[hawkeyeinmo]

Conner is not a big 10 player, and patrick is gonna be worse than him.

LOL

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Conner is not a big 10 player, and patrick is gonna be worse than him.

First, who is Conner? If you mean Connor, you are WRONG! He is never gonna be all B1G, but he is already a very solid backup PG. This was his freshman year, and he will get better.

 

[like-woahh]

You’re totally right. I did attack the coaches, Moss and Tyler. And I think it was after the Rutgers loss or one of those games we shouldn’t have lost. regardless, I shouldn’t have done it. That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever posted. Sometimes drinking during a game and being on these forums don’t go well together. Cheers to Moss to Cook and the coaches who work harder than any of us on upleveling Iowa basketball.
Btw, I also posted this, feeling awful about my earlier outburst.
https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/an-excellent-article-on-assistant-coaches.268041/

However, I think my comment about not trashing Fran’s kids is still valid.
Cheers!

If you felt that bad about it you could have deleted the post or requested the post deleted, it's not hard. You posted one of the biggest dickhead threads I've seen on this board, at least on par with all of the trolls. "Oh, it was the booze!" excuse. Whatever dude, at least be consistent.

The thread you linked didn't have an inkling of an apology to you blasting Cook or Moss.

Don't call people out for trashing players when you create a thread 100% trashing players.

Personally, I really don't care what your opinion is, at least be consistent it with it. You look hypocritical as ****, that's what's annoying, maybe stop drunk posting.

Objective opinion to the topic, I've watched Patrick play, he's a really smooth player but probably needs to bulk up a bit, it wouldn't surprise me if he redshirts next year, especially given the depth. Connor's shot looks awkward because he doesn't square up to the rim, but awkward doesn't mean inaccurate given enough repetition. I really feel like his best game could be going towards the rim because of his strength and physicality. It might take him longer to get there but I don't think he can be bullied out of the lane if he asserts himself.

 

[hawkeyeguy69]

I'm with you PersionHawk. I appreciate and admire the whole family. They have tremendous passion for Iowa basketball. I believe the McCafferys will bring Iowa a regular season BIG title and a Final Four appearance.

Thanks Fran and Connor and Welcome Patrick and looking forward to you too Jack!

This is definitely in the realm of possibility. We were a second away from getting a chance to play Purdue for the Elite Eight. I think we were one guard/wing short, with a little extra on O, and a little extra on D. Some more improved footwork on the defensive end on the front court out would also go a long way. But we had a very good team this year, and Fran will have an even better team next year.

Fran has a loaded, veteran team from top to bottom. The Hawks have talent. There are 2 very good players coming in 2020. And you know the 2021 class will bring in quite a few good-to-great players.

The McCafferys as a whole will be making a difference for the Iowa basketball team for the next 4-5 years....and then the better of the bunch, Jack.

Go Hawks!

 

[L. Wade Childress]

First, who is Conner? If you mean Connor, you are WRONG! He is never gonna be all B1G, but he is already a very solid backup PG. This was his freshman year, and he will get better.

The guy that carried me to a fantasy football title.

 

[HawkLogic]

We definitely bare NOT on the same page. No, I’m not comparing individuals. But, yes Connor ran the pg position better than CW did and if it was not apparent to you how weak Ellingson was on defense I am shocked. Connor brought more on offense than Ellingson even with his 5-25 3 point shooting. You said DIFFERENCE MAKER. Connor was an improvement at backup pg. He made a difference. Is he a PROGRAM CHANGER? No. You used difference maker when it seems like “program changer” may have been more appropriate.

Yes Connor was capable backup PG, but who was the idiot that thought Ellingson was backup PG material in 1st place? And who used CW's schollie to bring in a 2G that was supposed to come in as a walk on his 1st year?

 

[hawkeyeinmo]

Yes Connor was capable backup PG, but who was the idiot that thought Ellingson was backup PG material in 1st place? And who used CW's schollie to bring in a 2G that was supposed to come in as a walk on his 1st year?

CW’s s scholly was not used to bring anybody in, his transfer was announced too late in the game to bring another player in. You certainly are not suggesting Fran should have known Connor was going to get sick forcing Ellingson to be used as a backup pg are you? I guess Fran could be faulted for not foreseeing the CW transfer.

 

[Pepperman]

I would put some serious money down on Patrick earning all conference honors before his time is done.

Congrats on disagreeing with guys who are paid to evaluate kids.

And no, not all 4* kids achieve the level you described. Not even close.

interesting thread

(taking my victory lap)

 

[Hawk94Mn]

interesting thread

(taking my victory lap)

The guy averaging 11 a game as a sophomore is precluded from reaching all conference honors before he’s done?

 

[Pepperman]

The guy averaging 11 a game as a sophomore is precluded from reaching all conference honors before he’s done?

maybe if he moves to the 6th man. He’s not very good but I guess it’s technically still possible. I’m kind of thinking his dad will be fired next year so you might want to tell him to hurry up and start making his out of control floaters?

 

[natchrlman]

maybe if he moves to the 6th man. He’s not very good but I guess it’s technically still possible. I’m kind of thinking his dad will be fired next year so you might want to tell him to hurry up and start making his out of control floaters?

ok cheeto fingers

 

[Lighting Hawk]

He ain’t getting fired, and PMac isn’t bad, he’s just not great. He’s grown much since last year, if you look at his per 40/100 numbers from the past 3 seasons, his points have gone up, every other stat has either stayed almost the same or gone down. His shooting percentage most notably is trending down, as well as rebounds. I’m sure his W/S as well. Don’t see him doing it and see him getting overtaken and in the shadow of KrM next year.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

I believe the McCafferys will bring Iowa a regular season BIG title and a Final Four appearance.

 

[DodgerHawki]

He ain’t getting fired, and PMac isn’t bad, he’s just not great. He’s grown much since last year, if you look at his per 40/100 numbers from the past 3 seasons, his points have gone up, every other stat has either stayed almost the same or gone down. His shooting percentage most notably is trending down, as well as rebounds. I’m sure his W/S as well. Don’t see him doing it and see him getting overtaken and in the shadow of KrM next year.

It's not an either/or thing. As you pointed out, his points have gone up but due to playing more and shooting more. He's not any more efficient. A good player, but needs to add an element of maturity and toughness to his game to take the next step. The floaters in the lane off the wrong foot tend not to go in against better competition (no surprise). His career 3-point percentage has been stuck on 30% for going on 2+ years now. He will be a real handful to guard once the 3-point % got north of 35.

And with his length, he could be a real factor on the defensive end. His best basketball is ahead of him.

 

[red/green hawk]

I’ve said this in other threads, but thought it’s worthy of its own.

The negativity toward these two KIDS is amazing. Patrick hasn’t even played a single game at Iowa and is nationally ranked somewhere between 58 to 87th best recruit this year.

As for Conner, he filled a huge gap this year. He averaged 3.1 assists per game while playing 18.6 minutes versus JBo who averaged 3.4 assists in 31 minutes per game. Conner’s TO was 1.3 per game vs 1.7 for JBo. He is tied with JBo on steals at .7 per game.

No question that Conner needs to work on his shot and become more like JBo (that is if anyone can be like him). Conner has a good form and range but lacks in confidence, which I’m sure will come next year. More than anything else I like the kid’s fighstiness, as he never backs up against anyone.

I think in part it comes with the territory of a coach recruiting his sons to play for him and then said sons don't perform up to fans' expectations. I don't agree with it, don't misunderstand. You should've seen the heat Noodles's kid got after he took over for Alford at UNM. Cullen was getting death threats. He was a cocky little bastard that talked endless shit on the court and bashed refs but it still doesn't make it right.

 

[KcTo]

It's not an either/or thing. As you pointed out, his points have gone up but due to playing more and shooting more. He's not any more efficient. A good player, but needs to add an element of maturity and toughness to his game to take the next step. The floaters in the lane off the wrong foot tend not to go in against better competition (no surprise). His career 3-point percentage has been stuck on 30% for going on 2+ years now. He will be a real handful to guard once the 3-point % got north of 35.

And with his length, he could be a real factor on the defensive end. His best basketball is ahead of him.

Defensive analytics has PMac as a very poor defender.

its not opinion, hes a big reason why IOWA,is at #161 in defense

 

[General Tso]

It's a slippery slope having your own kids on the team. To some degree I'd almost thing it easier to have your kids play elsewhere because every decision you make will be looked at through the lens of nepotism. It's analogous to not going into business with friends and family.

 

[goodbyebobby]

Defensive analytics has PMac as a very poor defender.

its not opinion, hes a big reason why IOWA,is at #161 in defense

He's 1/13th of the issue.

His old man is the reason we are however bad we are defensively.

 

[OutbackBowl2017]

Until Fran focuses all efforts on defense and defensive rebounding, it doesn’t matter how many points Iowa scores. They just gave up 87 to Wisconsin. Think about that for a minute and tell me how Iowa is suppose to win games vs any team giving up that many points per game. It is embarrassing Fran keeps doing the same thing night in and night out and expecting different results vs B1G.

 

[Bee93]

It’s not the nepotism I mind. Hell, if either Mccaffrey was worth a damn I’d be looking forward to the next one. Unfortunately, they are the player equivalent of their dad as a coach: not very good, with little upside.