Perfect example of why Iowa should drop ISU

[5Fan5]

I do agree....I don't agree with blaming it on the ISU game though!
I'd rather play ISU than NDSU or Miami Oh or north texas or any of the other nonsense....

Well, so far we have tangible results of Miami (Ohio) and isu. Between the two, I would venture a guess that most fans felt that Miami (O) was the better of the two opponents. I'm even willing to go way out on a wire and state that NDSU this coming Saturday will give a better account of themselves than did isu last Satruday.

North Texas is nothing more than an outlier here. It was a game against a team coached at the time by a former Hawk and we have some presence recruiting in the state of Texas. An occasional game such as those will not negatively impact Iowa anymore that the overwhelming majority of schools that schedule similarly.

 

[championhawk]

Yeah I was and I thought there was a good crowd of ISU fans. Not as many as two years ago, but they brought a good contingent considering their first week result.

Don't double down on it. They had a very poor showing. Stick to arguing about keeping them on the schedule. That is also wrong but at least there is a small argument to be made. It looked like they didn't even fill their allotment. There hasn't been many games with fewer opposing fans in recent memory.

 

[5Fan5]

Yeah I was and I thought there was a good crowd of ISU fans. Not as many as two years ago, but they brought a good contingent considering their first week result.

Let's reserve thought until this week's game takes place... then we can revisit how well isu supports their football team.

 

[H4wkfan4life]

I agree with you in principle that playing crap teams from other conferences is equally is bad as playing ISU, but those teams often change and with them the perception of pollsters. Duke and UNC aren't bad anymore. Unfortunately, ISU has never been good. I would make it perfectly clear that I would play ISU any time over UNI (or other FCS school) and MAC schools.

I don't necessarily agree with your national championship analysis. Look what LSU did for Wisconsin. They catapulted from unranked to ranked #10. Lets create a scenario and assume LSU is not a fraud. Pretend Wiscy has a better than expected year and goes 11-1 with a close B10 loss to a highly ranked opponent....How about OSU? I think with the LSU victory and decisive B10 champion game (use beating OSU by 14) then they are in the national championship game.

Now lets change roles and have Iowa lose to Mich due to a fluke play and then replay Mich in the B10 title game and win handedly. All of a sudden you are wishing you had that marquee matchup with LSU on your record to get chosen for the playoff. Instead you have ISU, a MAC team, and a FCS team. It makes a difference in SOS. Especially important this year when we had such a poor strength of schedule last and it only upgraded slightly.

If wisconsin can get through LSU/MSU/MI/OSU/IA/NE & everyone else with 1 loss....sure they'll have a great shot at the CFP! Though that would probably also depend on the MSU/ND and OSU/OK games as well as Houston and ND seasons.

If MSU and OSU lose to OK/ND and WI only loss was to LSU do you still think wiscy is a guarantee(or even all that close)? All that leaves them with is MI, who played no one out of conference....and IA/NE who will likely get dogged by media for at least the next month. What if NE loses to OR and OR finish 3rd or worse in pac 12....then that win looks less impressive too. Basically, no matter who you schedule....if you don't win them all, you're far from guaranteed anything(at least if you're a team like Iowa....teams like OSU/bama etc are allowed a "bad week")
Back to the THREAD TITLE---I have no problem with swapping a game...but I'd drop one of the other 2!

 

[SoDakHawk]

I do agree....I don't agree with blaming it on the ISU game though!
I'd rather play ISU than NDSU or Miami Oh or north texas or any of the other nonsense....

That's fine, but you can't meet the number of home games Iowa AD requires and keep the ISU series and schedule an OOC home/home series with another P5. Something has to give. Right now it is any chance of playing another P5 team not named ISU. Like I said, if ISU would play every year in Kinnick, or do a 2 for 1, then we could work out a schedule that is ideal. I don't see ISU doing that though.

Truth be told, it would benefit ISU to end this series and schedule other teams as well. Gives them more chances to schedule easy wins, which is what they need to build their program. Gives them the opportunity to expand their exposure and recruiting base. Mostly, it gets them to stop focusing on the Iowa game and start focusing on winning a conference title and getting bowl eligible.

 

[Urohawk]

If wisconsin can get through LSU/MSU/MI/OSU/IA/NE & everyone else with 1 loss....sure they'll have a great shot at the CFP! Though that would probably also depend on the MSU/ND and OSU/OK games as well as Houston and ND seasons.

If MSU and OSU lose to OK/ND and WI only loss was to LSU do you still think wiscy is a guarantee(or even all that close)? All that leaves them with is MI, who played no one out of conference....and IA/NE who will likely get dogged by media for at least the next month. What if NE loses to OR and OR finish 3rd or worse in pac 12....then that win looks less impressive too. Basically, no matter who you schedule....if you don't win them all, you're far from guaranteed anything(at least if you're a team like Iowa....teams like OSU/bama etc are allowed a "bad week")
Back to the THREAD TITLE---I have no problem with swapping a game...but I'd drop one of the other 2!

I am just saying that Iowa gets dogged in the media regarding scheduling....ISU contributes a lot to that dogging.

 

[H4wkfan4life]

Well, so far we have tangible results of Miami (Ohio) and isu. Between the two, I would venture a guess that most fans felt that Miami (O) was the better of the two opponents. I'm even willing to go way out on a wire and state that NDSU this coming Saturday will give a better account of themselves than did isu last Satruday.

North Texas is nothing more than an outlier here. It was a game against a team coached at the time by a former Hawk and we have some presence recruiting in the state of Texas. An occasional game such as those will not negatively impact Iowa anymore that the overwhelming majority of schools that schedule similarly.

ISU couldn't even get by UNI, let alone a team that has won the fcs for what, 5 years in a row? I don't doubt NDSU will give us a better game......I do doubt that win will really do anything for Iowa's national perception!
That said, the ISU game was well worth shutting up the cyclone fans for the year . If you don't live in IA you might not care though.....

 

[grosie#2]

I thought the State legislators brought back the Iowa-Iowa States series after 43 yrs. of not playing each other. It was stopped after the 1934 game because of bad blood between the 2 schools. There were feuds, charges of cheating coming from both schools, and after the 1934 game there was some problems on and off the field. I guess it didn't help when highly ranked Iowa got beat 34-6 by ISU. I read that after the hard feelings of that game the ISU's President said that he never wanted to play Iowa again and they didn't for 43 yrs.

As hard as it was to get Iowa and ISU to play each other again, I can't see the state legislators letting either school call off the series anytime soon. It means too much to some important people in the State of Iowa.

 

[5Fan5]

If Iowa loses 1 regular season game, but wins the West and the B1G CCG they would still have a good chance to make the CFB, just as MSU, Alabama, and Oklahoma did last year.

I disagree. Should Iowa lose any of its OOC games from this year (the outcome now known for two of those games), then its chances are severely limited even if they were to win the CCG. Consider a panel charged with choosing the best of two, three or more one-loss teams to fill a CFP spot. Do you think Iowa with a loss to Miami (O), isu or NDSU will be given the same consideration as say an LSU team that lost to Wisconsin?

 

[H4wkfan4life]

That's fine, but you can't meet the number of home games Iowa AD requires and keep the ISU series and schedule an OOC home/home series with another P5. Something has to give. Right now it is any chance of playing another P5 team not named ISU. Like I said, if ISU would play every year in Kinnick, or do a 2 for 1, then we could work out a schedule that is ideal. I don't see ISU doing that though.

Truth be told, it would benefit ISU to end this series and schedule other teams as well. Gives them more chances to schedule easy wins, which is what they need to build their program. Gives them the opportunity to expand their exposure and recruiting base. Mostly, it gets them to stop focusing on the Iowa game and start focusing on winning a conference title and getting bowl eligible.

I agree...something DOES have to give....I just think it should be ticket price . IA/ISU will ALWAYS sell. IA/primetime will also sell for much more $$$. People are going to be willing to pay good money to watch a big game or rivalry(ia/isu), so raise the prices more for them. More people will also be willing to make a long drive just to tailgate at it! OSU/MI cost $195/ticket(bet they sell them all). Cut out the crooked scalpers and send the money to the school.

 

[soybean]

So we can play a team towards the bottom of the aac or big east but not towards the bottom of the big 12? That makes little sense.

IF Iowa goes 13-0 they're going to the CFP...ISU or no ISU!
IF Iowa goes 11(12)-1 they are NOT going to the CFP....ISU or no ISU!
So, not sure what the big deal is.

If Iowa goes 12-1 and the 1 is not the BIG10 Championship game Iowa still would have a good shot at the CFP in many, if not most, years. The BIG10 Champ is not something that will be ignored.

 

[5Fan5]

ISU couldn't even get by UNI, let alone a team that has won the fcs for what, 5 years in a row? I don't doubt NDSU will give us a better game......I do doubt that win will really do anything for Iowa's national perception!
That said, the ISU game was well worth shutting up the cyclone fans for the year . If you don't live in IA you might not care though.....

I do live in Iowa and I do not care what isu fans think or say. That is not even close to the point here.

It is in Iowa's interest to schedule teams that will enhance the Hawkeye's ability to achieve their objectives: win the Big Ten, qualify and hopefully win a national championship. Note there is nothing there about winning an intrastate match up.

 

[H4wkfan4life]

If Iowa goes 12-1 and the 1 is not the BIG10 Championship game Iowa still would have a good shot at the CFP in many, if not most, years. The BIG10 Champ is not something that will be ignored.

They wouldn't have had a prayer last year, that all I can say for sure.
This year with Houston and ND(the tx game obviously helped though), combined with last years MSU/bama game(and the rose bowl)....it becomes even more difficult for a 1 loss Iowa team to get in this year. The "quality" of b1g wins will be decided this week though!
It would be nice if we were playing one of those games....but we're playing an FCS team.

 

[H4wkfan4life]

I do live in Iowa and I do not care what isu fans think or say. That is not even close to the point here.

It is in Iowa's interest to schedule teams that will enhance the Hawkeye's ability to achieve their objectives: win the Big Ten, qualify and hopefully win a national championship. Note there is nothing there about winning an intrastate match up.

Yes so lets blame the ISU game and ignore Miami OH, north texas, ndsu, wyoming, northern illinois(the list goes on and on)

 

[5Fan5]

Yes so lets blame the ISU game and ignore Miami OH, north texas, ndsu, wyoming, northern illinois(the list goes on and on)

It is precisely the isu game that is preventing Iowa from scheduling either home/away or neutral venue games versus other Power 5 programs. Why are you struggling so hard to understand that?

 

[H4wkfan4life]

It is precisely the isu game that is preventing Iowa from scheduling either home/away or neutral venue games versus other Power 5 programs. Why are you struggling so hard to understand that?

1/2 from an ia/lsu game seems like it would be more than 2/2 from a game vs wyoming etc. Show me why playing games vs wyoming and north texas vs 1 game vs fl/lsu etc equates to more money? Please help me understand that.....

 

[soybean]

They wouldn't have had a prayer last year, that all I can say for sure.
This year with Houston and ND(the tx game obviously helped though), combined with last years MSU/bama game(and the rose bowl)....it becomes even more difficult for a 1 loss Iowa team to get in this year. The "quality" of b1g wins will be decided this week though!
It would be nice if we were playing one of those games....but we're playing an FCS team.

There would have to be four 13-0 P5 champs in order for a 12-1 BIG10 Champion to be left out.

 

[grosie#2]

The argument of get rid of ISU from the schedule is a lot like the Pitt-Penn State rivalry. One school, Pitt, thinks it's a rivalry and Penn State doesn't. I think Iowa acted like Penn State until the last 2 yrs. I think ISU will get better under their new coach and a lot of this argument will become moot. I could see Iowa playing a nonconference schedule of a Mountain West team, ISU, and a SEC team like Arkansas. As long as fat B coaches the Hogs make a long time series of it.

 

[hexumhawk]

That's fine, but you can't meet the number of home games Iowa AD requires and keep the ISU series and schedule an OOC home/home series with another P5. Something has to give. Right now it is any chance of playing another P5 team not named ISU. Like I said, if ISU would play every year in Kinnick, or do a 2 for 1, then we could work out a schedule that is ideal. I don't see ISU doing that though.

Truth be told, it would benefit ISU to end this series and schedule other teams as well. Gives them more chances to schedule easy wins, which is what they need to build their program. Gives them the opportunity to expand their exposure and recruiting base. Mostly, it gets them to stop focusing on the Iowa game and start focusing on winning a conference title and getting bowl eligible.

This is pretty spot on. Not only does it not benefit Iowa their goals most years, it doesn't benefit ISU either. They need to be scheduling 3 for sure wins every year; or what they think are for sure wins.

I would be fine with continuing to play them but it should benefit Iowa more so than ISU. A 2 for 1 option or 1 home 1 neutral with years off in between for flexibility with other teams.

 

[SoDakHawk]

The argument of get rid of ISU from the schedule is a lot like the Pitt-Penn State rivalry. One school, Pitt, thinks it's a rivalry and Penn State doesn't. I think Iowa acted like Penn State until the last 2 yrs. I think ISU will get better under their new coach and a lot of this argument will become moot. I could see Iowa playing a nonconference schedule of a Mountain West team, ISU, and a SEC team like Arkansas. As long as fat B coaches the Hogs make a long time series of it.

Ok then, how would you set those games up? 12 game schedule, 9 conference games, so 3 OOC games. In years, like this year, you have 4 Conference home games, so you have MW/MAC at home, ISU at home, and Arkansas at home. 7 home games. Now, next year you have 5 conference games at home, buy one MAC/MW game, that's 6 home games. ISU is on the road, wait, we have to return the trip to Arkansas. So in years where we play AT ISU, Iowa has to buy two home games. It will never set up so that we can do a home and home with another P5 school. That is the issue here. Not dumping a MAC game for another P5 game, it is that with a locked in home/home with ISU we have NO FLEXIBILITY to schedule an OOC P5 school without only having 6 home games.

 

[H4wkfan4life]

There would have to be four 13-0 P5 champs in order for a 12-1 BIG10 Champion to be left out.

b12 doesn't even play 13 games, either way that is nowhere near accurate.....

 

[AuroraHawk]

Keep ISU on the schedule.
Ensure that they are a home game in years when Iowa has four home B1G games.
Play them on road when Iowa has a five home B1G games.

Do what you can to create a "border war" game every year against Mizzou at Arrowhead Stadium. You aren't "poaching" on any B1G team's territory (Soldier Field and/or Vikings' home field) and both teams get a Power 5 non-conference opponent. Alternatively, see if you could schedule Mizzou (border war) and Arkansas (KC is a mid point) game at Arrowhead on alternating years.

That will give you a Big 12 and a SEC opponent every year.

Then get a MAC team to fill out the 6th home game.

Caveat: I don't know how hard it would be to get a long term commitment at a professional venue. Would probably need to have the first game of the year to be at Arrowhead to avoid week 1 of NFL season. Probably not realistic on a year-to-year basis.

 

[DutchyFunStar]

We play 7 home games a year. And need to from a revenue perspective.

With the 9 game conference schedule, that only allows for one road OOC game on the years with 5 conference home games. And that one game is spoken for with ISU.

We are not going to see another P5 OOC school unless something changes.

 

[KujawaFan]

I am so lost as to why some people don't understand why the ISU game should be dropped or modified (like a 2 for 1). We are simply helping to subsidize their program with this game with absolutely zero upside. Dear God people, we won by almost 40 points and dropped in the coaches poll. Hell, if we beat ND St. by 10 we will move up in the rankings. I don't know if some of you "Hawk" fans are delusional on what this game "means" or whether you are Clones trolling.

 

[5Fan5]

1/2 from an ia/lsu game seems like it would be more than 2/2 from a game vs wyoming etc. Show me why playing games vs wyoming and north texas vs 1 game vs fl/lsu etc equates to more money? Please help me understand that.....

Now you are introducing extremes to try to prove your point? Without the albatross of having isu on the schedule every year, Iowa is able to schedule games similar to Wisconsin, Michigan State, Nebraska (yes, I know they played Wyoming on Saturday... an occasional one-off game is not going to be detrimental financially or otherwise), Minnesota and even Indiana. Iowa needs to control that discretion of which teams are on the schedule.

 

[SoDakHawk]

This weekend Oregon plays at Nebraska. Freaking Oregon. Don't you think that would be kind of fun to have a team like that visit Iowa City every once in a while?

You will never, ever, ever, EVER see another OOC P5 game (other than the Clones) at Kinnick as long as this ISU series remains structured the way it is.

Wisconsin is playing these high profile games. Nebraska is playing these high profile games. Heck, even the Gophers had TCU up at TCF last year. Yet Iowa is stuck with ISU. I don't understand how any Hawkeye fan can be ok with this situation. Barta's phone lines should be exploding.

 

[KujawaFan]

SoDak - read my post. I totally agree. Jesus win by 40 and drop in the polls?! And supposed Hawk fans think this game is a good idea? What the hell? And we know the Clowns will once again spend all off season workouts, then camp, and practices with Hawk jerseys on the scout team. And apparently useless we win by 60 we will drop in the polls. F..k.

 

[H4wkfan4life]

Now you are introducing extremes to try to prove your point? Without the albatross of having isu on the schedule every year, Iowa is able to schedule games similar to Wisconsin, Michigan State, Nebraska (yes, I know they played Wyoming on Saturday... an occasional one-off game is not going to be detrimental financially or otherwise), Minnesota and even Indiana. Iowa needs to control that discretion of which teams are on the schedule.

extremes? Those are our 2 non confernce next year, besides isu....

 

[illhawkdvv]

Would this fan base be happier if we would have played Texas this week and lost ( and we would have )? I don't think so and in fact it would be in a melt down for something the coaching staff did wrong. Look I'm as happy as anyone about the victory this week but lets face it this is the worst Iowa State team in 20 years.

 

[Freyvet]

Iowa/Iowa State is all that is good about college sports. Great in-state rivalry for both fan bases. It may chafe some of our Hawks fans arses cause they got us a few times recently when we didn't think they should but this is what makes it so great! MUST keep these games - it's what college athletics should be about!

 

[JEDN]

As a fan I never want to play them again as the game is a much bigger benefit to them than us. Hell we beat them by 39 and as one poster stated we dropped in the AP poll. Most die hard fans I know would love to end the series!

 

[KujawaFan]

Jed - that was me. We dropped in the coaches poll by winning by close to 40. No it is not good for the State unless Iowa State is the goal. I am beyond confused. Everyone else is playing tough games cause of the committee. Yet we play the little brother, crush them, and drop and then give them their only sellout next year. Jesus guys.

 

[KujawaFan]

And don't forget the obvious. Look at their board. They want to drop UNI cause a win means nothing and a loss is embarrassing. Huh? Sound familiar?!

 

[5Fan5]

extremes? Those are our 2 non confernce next year, besides isu....

Yes, extremes. I have already attempted to descibe/explain this concept to you via North Texas.

Tell me what these teams all have in common: Alabama, Indiana, LSU, Kansas State, Georgia, Texas...? Here, let me help. Each of those teams has had North Texas on the schedule sometime in the previous five years. Was it detrimental to any of those other Power 5 programs? Again, I am happy to assist. No, it was not.

Programs such as North Texas and Wyoming are fighting an uphill battle to garner financial foundation to their football departments. They typically do not see the influx of television revenue and yet fact tremendously escalating outlays on the expense side of things. Playing a team from one of the major conferences has become almost a necessity for some to survive. The 'extreme' part, once again is that Iowa is not going to play these particular teams very often at all. The crux being that Iowa could schedule better if a certain team from Ames was not always on the list.

 

[5Fan5]

Iowa/Iowa State is all that is good about college sports. Great in-state rivalry for both fan bases. It may chafe some of our Hawks fans arses cause they got us a few times recently when we didn't think they should but this is what makes it so great! MUST keep these games - it's what college athletics should be about!

At one point in time, this possibly was true. Today, the entire landscape of major college football has and continues to evolve. Now, for the first time there is a playoff format in place to determine the championship on the field of play. Revenues are at record levels, but so is the cost of providing the game to its fans. This is not the 1980s or even the 1990s or early 2000s anymore. It is time to move onward.

Yes, this one game is a big deal in Iowa for a period of a week or two. It is nothing more than a rivalry of convenience just like in some other states around the country. New Mexico faced New Mexico State earlier this year and I did not read/hear a thing about that game. If these games are so critical, why is it that they are not headline worthy?

Iowa and isu played each other in volleyball and soccer over this past weekend. Very little was covered, reported or even mentioned. Yes, it is understood that these sports pale in comparison to football, but if you truly believe in this ideal of two teams otherwise unconnected other than they reside in a single state being so important then we should be hearing/reading about all competition not simply that that is already news.

 

[H4wkfan4life]

Yes, extremes. I have already attempted to descibe/explain this concept to you via North Texas.

Tell me what these teams all have in common: Alabama, Indiana, LSU, Kansas State, Georgia, Texas...? Here, let me help. Each of those teams has had North Texas on the schedule sometime in the previous five years. Was it detrimental to any of those other Power 5 programs? Again, I am happy to assist. No, it was not.

Programs such as North Texas and Wyoming are fighting an uphill battle to garner financial foundation to their football departments. They typically do not see the influx of television revenue and yet fact tremendously escalating outlays on the expense side of things. Playing a team from one of the major conferences has become almost a necessity for some to survive. The 'extreme' part, once again is that Iowa is not going to play these particular teams very often at all. The crux being that Iowa could schedule better if a certain team from Ames was not always on the list.

So it's ok to play north tx since lsu and bama do....but since they don't play ISU we shouldn't either?
Ok......

 

[5Fan5]

So it's ok to play north tx since lsu and bama do....but since they don't play ISU we shouldn't either?
Ok......

Your obtuse and do not want to understand. That's fine by me.

One last time. Playing isu hampers Iowa's ability to schedule teams such as LSU and Alabama. It is not worth sacrificing that possibility to schedule other quality programs just so we can play isu annually.

 

[ThorneStockton]

Is 7 home games really necessary from a finances perspective? Isn't the new TV contract going to increase revenue for each school by like 20+ million?

Is the 7 home games just a competitive advantage requirement?

 

[SDHawkDoc]

The emotional argument is keep the series. The logical argument is to dump it and pursue one of several other options.

 

[hawkcub]

What does it have to be an all or nothing proposition. Make it a 2 years on 2 years off. Rivalry still there but both schools have scheduling flexibility.