Is there a better player in any sport that is being screwed out of the Hall of Fame?
Pete Rose
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Who cares about Pete Rose? The guy has to be one of the most unlikeable people in the history of sports. I hope he doesn't ever get in.
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It is bullshit though. She screws at a HOF level.
Pete Rose deserved his fate in baseball.
Totally agree. Coming from a lifelong Reds fan who played 3B like Pete and idolized him as a kid. Every mlb player (and minor leagues too) knows the penalty for betting on baseball.
He's not screwed out of the HoF. He's banned for betting on baseball, repeatedly. He lied for years about it and still isn't contrite.
He might get in after he's dead, but it will take a while.
He might get in after he's dead, but it will take a while.
He should get in after he's dead. A lifetime ban will be just that imo.
Exactly! I can’t believe they have left her out and Miguel Ascencio out. That dude did what no one else has done, 16 straight balls to start their career! How is that HOF worthy???
I think he will too, but it will still take 75%. The baseball HoF voters seem to be a relatively "entrenched in their ways" bunch.
Nobody cared when they were actively playing. Then years later oooohh you cheated. People wonder why baseball popularity has died.
Didn’t realize the HOF was the moral authority. Pete is the hit king and should be recognized in the hall as such
They’re not acting as a moral authority. Rose is banned from Major League Baseball and anyone who is banned from MLB is automatically ineligible for the Hall of Fame.
Shoeless Joe should get in before Rose gets a whiff.
This. There seems to be a link between being a complete ass to those around you and HOF votes.
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He could have bet on dogs, horses, football, basketball, hockey, or playing cards and nobody would have cared.
he knew the rule and ignored it.
everybody knows his accomplishments. I think on the age of the internet all HOF are sort of pointless. I don’t need a place to go to learn about the history of sports. I have a super computer in my pocket.
he knew the rule and ignored it.
everybody knows his accomplishments. I think on the age of the internet all HOF are sort of pointless. I don’t need a place to go to learn about the history of sports. I have a super computer in my pocket.
Anyone who is banned from MLB is automatically ineligible for the Hall of Fame. Why should they change that policy to accommodate a guy who has never once shown an ounce of contrition for what he did?
Maybe someday they will make a sequel to Field of Dreams and it will be Pete that comes out of the cornfield? vbg
I know I told this story back in the Warchant Locker Room days, not sure if I've told it here.
In the mid-90s I served on my local city commission. Our city manager retired, so we had to go through the process of hiring his replacement. One of the guys that made the cut to the final 10 that we interviewed had been the city manager of Cooperstown. At the end of the interview, after everything was pretty much done, I asked "So do you think Pete Rose should be in the Hall?"
He looked at me very hesitantly, so I quickly told him "I'm just joking, you do NOT have to answer that." He gave a huge sigh of relief & laughed, and then responded "That is always an easy way to start a MAJOR argument there. Do you mind if I tell you a quick story? The mayor is adamantly opposed to him getting in, and one of his best friends - a wealthy guy who constantly donates a lot of money to any worthy cause in the area, is a huge Rose fan who wants him in. After the last time it got shot down, the guy came to a commission meeting pushing an idea. He wanted to fund the construction of a statue in the city park that is adjacent to the Hall. The statue would be Rose sliding in to home plate head-first, with a catcher trying to tag him & an ump signaling SAFE. Some of the other commissioners discussed it & then the mayor commented, I'll support your push for that statue, with one modification...I want the ump signaling OUT!!!!
In the mid-90s I served on my local city commission. Our city manager retired, so we had to go through the process of hiring his replacement. One of the guys that made the cut to the final 10 that we interviewed had been the city manager of Cooperstown. At the end of the interview, after everything was pretty much done, I asked "So do you think Pete Rose should be in the Hall?"
He looked at me very hesitantly, so I quickly told him "I'm just joking, you do NOT have to answer that." He gave a huge sigh of relief & laughed, and then responded "That is always an easy way to start a MAJOR argument there. Do you mind if I tell you a quick story? The mayor is adamantly opposed to him getting in, and one of his best friends - a wealthy guy who constantly donates a lot of money to any worthy cause in the area, is a huge Rose fan who wants him in. After the last time it got shot down, the guy came to a commission meeting pushing an idea. He wanted to fund the construction of a statue in the city park that is adjacent to the Hall. The statue would be Rose sliding in to home plate head-first, with a catcher trying to tag him & an ump signaling SAFE. Some of the other commissioners discussed it & then the mayor commented, I'll support your push for that statue, with one modification...I want the ump signaling OUT!!!!
Pete Rose's name and accomplishments are all over the Hall of Fame and baseball's record books. He doesn't deserve a bust in the Hall - until he's passed on - for how he tainted the games sanctity with his actions.
Joe Jackson....and Pete ain’t being Screwed by anyone but himself.
Exactly. Should we go back and get rid of all the HOFers that cheated? We know that Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, and Mickey Mantle used amphetamines - let's kick them out. What about HOFers who benefitted from now having to play against any non-white players? It's easy to be great when you limit your competition. what about noted, incredible racists like Ty Cobb?
Barry Bonds is one of the three best hitters that ever played - with or without PEDs. He could go a 3-game series and only see one good pitch - but when he saw it, he'd park it: you don't get his kind of vision and talent from PEDs.
Then why did he juice if he didn't need it? Were amphetamines against the rules back then? And are you kidding me with that race shit?
Why does anyone ever do anything they're not supposed to do in sports? To gain an advantage, to keep up with other players that are doing the same, to help w recovery, fear of being left behind, losing their dream, etc.
Amphetamines were illegal without a prescription, It looks like MLB banned them in 1971. So, bit of both depending on timing? Still, if they were illegal, does that make them wrong? Guns are illegal, but I'm not sure their in-game use is expressly prohibited in MLB rules. (Yes, nonsense analogy is nonsensical, but used to make a larger point about things being illegal that may not be expressly banned) In any case, the amphetamines were used as performance enhancers.
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You don't think "that race shit" gave players a competitive advantage? That's what we're talking about, isn't it? If the goal is to allow players into the HOF based on their achievements on a level playing field, then you have to discount accomplishment achieved when the field wasn't level, don't you?
And if you're going to adhere to a "character clause", I think that character should include not being a shit-eating racist.
"In spring training in 1907, Cobb, considered a racist by many, fought a black groundskeeper over the condition of the Tigers' spring training field in Augusta, Ga., and ended up choking the man's wife when she intervened."
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There aren’t really that many African-Americans in MLB. Only about 7% of MLB players are American-born blacks. The bigger factor today is Latino players. You didn’t see a lot of players from Venezuela and the Dominican Republic 100 years ago but they are a fixture on MLB rosters now.
I remember a few years ago Mike greenburg was saying that bonds and clemens should get in because 25 to 50 percent of players at that time were using steroids.
All that means is that 50 to 75 percent of players were actively getting screwed out of their fair opportunity. That should not be rewarded. Ever.
All that means is that 50 to 75 percent of players were actively getting screwed out of their fair opportunity. That should not be rewarded. Ever.
I believe he was already a 3 time MVP prior to taking steroids. He was well on his way to a Hall of Fame career.
There is a lot of misinformation out there about Cobb being racist.
Is this actually true? Cobb came from a family of abolitionists and supported the integration of baseball. There was a writer, with and ax to grind, who wrote a biography of him that was based on a lot of lies. Somehow this came to be the common perception of Cobb.
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