Petras discussion on XM 84 now...

[sober_teacher]

They scored 17 points against a subpar defense.

Kentuckys D was top 20, top 25 in most categories. Not dominant, but hardly subpar.

And that defense was missing 5 starters.

And we were down 2 starters on offense…I’m not saying the offense played great, but statistically 380 yards was one of the better performances of the year. What’s frustrating is that for the third quarter and first drive of the fourth when we got our last touchdown, it was imo, as good as the offense has looked all season. Excellent playcalls, good execution for the most part…and they did that periodically all season.

i hope the coaches look at the second half of the bowl game, and those other periods where the offense did well, and learn the right lessons. They SOUND like they know the offensive struggles were too systemic to just say they need to execute better.

 

[HawkInArk]

I can't believe people are still defending Petras as a valid option for a D1 even top 50 team.
Yes, he's a great kid, the talent isn't there.
Beginning to think some posters don't watch many games other than Iowa.
FCS has tons of quarterbacks better than him

Are there people wanting Spencer at QB for Iowa next season?

 

[DogBoyRy]

Are there people wanting Spencer at QB for Iowa next season?

I’ll take the coaches opinion to choose the guy who gives them the best chance to win.
They seem to know their jobs fairly well.

 

[David1979]

Kentuckys D was top 20, top 25 in most categories. Not dominant, but hardly subpar.

And we were down 2 starters on offense…I’m not saying the offense played great, but statistically 380 yards was one of the better performances of the year. What’s frustrating is that for the third quarter and first drive of the fourth when we got our last touchdown, it was imo, as good as the offense has looked all season. Excellent playcalls, good execution for the most part…and they did that periodically all season.

i hope the coaches look at the second half of the bowl game, and those other periods where the offense did well, and learn the right lessons. They SOUND like they know the offensive struggles were too systemic to just say they need to execute better.

Their defense was in the 30s in defensive efficiency when healthy. That was around Illinois was for the year for comparison's sake. But they had their two best players out in the front 7 plus the LBs were decimated. They had two backups out and for awhile had another starter out of that game. And then lost some DBs as well in that game that never came back in. With guys out there were below average.
Yeah, Iowa didn't have Keagan Johnson but that really didn't have much of an impact. I mean he only averages about 30 yards per game and Petras doesn't hardly look to the WRs. Plus some argue that the RBs were better without Goodson.

 

[sober_teacher]

Are there people wanting Spencer at QB for Iowa next season?

I’ll take the coaches opinion to choose the guy who gives them the best chance to win.
They seem to know their jobs fairly well.

Barring an absolutely transcendent performance in the spring and fall camps, it would be a difficult sell for Petras as the starter next fall. It almost has to be Padilla or Labas, barring a transfer.

 

[MitchLL]

Barring an absolutely transcendent performance in the spring and fall camps, it would be a difficult sell for Petras as the starter next fall. It almost has to be Padilla or Labas, barring a transfer.

With next year's schedule, this team struggles for 6-6 with SP.

 

[sober_teacher]

Their defense was in the 30s in defensive efficiency when healthy. That was around Illinois was for the year for comparison's sake. But they had their two best players out in the front 7 plus the LBs were decimated. They had two backups out and for awhile had another starter out of that game. And then lost some DBs as well in that game that never came back in. With guys out there were below average.
Yeah, Iowa didn't have Keagan Johnson but that really didn't have much of an impact. I mean he only averages about 30 yards per game and Petras doesn't hardly look to the WRs. Plus some argue that the RBs were better without Goodson.

Team rankings

per sports reference, Kentucky finished #26 overall on defense, and even the 30s as you say is far from subpar.

 

[sober_teacher]

With next year's schedule, this team struggles for 6-6 with SP.

I feel very good about 20/22 spots on the depth chart, plus P and K. 6-6 would be a massive letdown imo, even with Petras as the starter.

 

[David1979]

Team rankings

per sports reference, Kentucky finished #26 overall on defense, and even the 30s as you say is far from subpar.

Overall defense is a poor measure because it doesn't take into account tempo. I am saying they were ok but with all the guys they had out they were poor. Especially by the second half when they were a shell of what they usually are.

 

[hexumhawk]

I think QB is more of a problem that what BF is. We have a young line overall and our two best WRs are freshman. That is a recipe for what we say. Some of his play calling was bad but overall, I didn't have a huge problem with it. He didn't miss wide open WRs.

KF still leads this offense above everything else.

 

[David1979]

With next year's schedule, this team struggles for 6-6 with SP.

I agree. I don't see the OL being much better. Offensive scheme is still an issue. Assuming normal losses to Wisconsin and Purdue. They still have to face OSU and Michigan. I have a hard time seeing Northwestern being down again and Illinois looks to be improving. I would put the over/under at 7 wins.

 

[David1979]

I think QB is more of a problem that what BF is. We have a young line overall and our two best WRs are freshman. That is a recipe for what we say. Some of his play calling was bad but overall, I didn't have a huge problem with it. He didn't miss wide open WRs.

KF still leads this offense above everything else.

I think the problem with the offense is that you have to have a great OL to have a good running game and then you also need a QB that completes a high percentage which Iowa hasn't had for awhile and won't have next year. I think BF is just ok. The bigger problem is just the overall scheme. They make offense way more difficult than it needs to be.

 

[David1979]

Also, interesting BF note. ON WUWs they said that BF will show the offense a lot of stuff in film sessions from other teams offenses. Stuff Iowa would never use but to me that shows that if it was up to him Iowa's offense would look different than it does with KF deciding things. Just kind of interesting.

 

[HawkOn15]

Also, interesting BF note. ON WUWs they said that BF will show the offense a lot of stuff in film sessions from other teams offenses. Stuff Iowa would never use but to me that shows that if it was up to him Iowa's offense would look different than it does with KF deciding things. Just kind of interesting.

Drake said that was only the RB room and was referring to stuff that had nothing to do with the RBs not the entire offense.

 

[David1979]

Drake said that was only the RB room and was referring to stuff that had nothing to do with the RBs not the entire offense.

Must not have listened that carefully. Nevermind then.

 

[DodgerHawki]

Kentuckys D was top 20, top 25 in most categories. Not dominant, but hardly subpar.

And we were down 2 starters on offense…I’m not saying the offense played great, but statistically 380 yards was one of the better performances of the year. What’s frustrating is that for the third quarter and first drive of the fourth when we got our last touchdown, it was imo, as good as the offense has looked all season. Excellent playcalls, good execution for the most part…and they did that periodically all season.

i hope the coaches look at the second half of the bowl game, and those other periods where the offense did well, and learn the right lessons. They SOUND like they know the offensive struggles were too systemic to just say they need to execute better.

Yes given the quality of the defense, and Iowa without Goodson and Johnson, overall it was way more than I thought Iowa would do. A very untypical Iowa game where outgained the opponent but lost due to more turnovers, not converting a 4th and half-yard at the 11 yard line and special teams being meh to below average in the game.

Have to be better/competent on offense in every aspect if they really want to compete for championships.

 

[sober_teacher]

Overall defense is a poor measure because it doesn't take into account tempo. I am saying they were ok but with all the guys they had out they were poor. Especially by the second half when they were a shell of what they usually are.

Sure, but at the same time, we only held the ball for 22 minutes on the day. 380 yards is pretty good in that amount of possession, and extrapolates to 450+ with 30 minutes. Had roughly 250 yards in the second half when Iowa was able to mostly control the game.

 

[Frosty7130]

With next year's schedule, this team struggles for 6-6 with SP.

People have said this for years, and it's never true.

Even without a better option than SP, Iowa hasn't lost 6 games in a long while (not since 2014), and there were far more holes on the roster then than there are now.

 

[David1979]

People have said this for years, and it's never true.

Even without a better option than SP, Iowa has lost 6 games in a long while, and there were far more holes on the roster than there are now.

Might not have had a schedule as difficult though as the one they have next year. I don' think it will be 6 wins but I think that is possible with another bad offensive team. I do think if Belton and Campbell come back the defense could actually be better next year which is hard to imagine but the DL could be really really good and that will help again limit the damage of the offense. Also depends on how good the new FG kicker is.

 

[sober_teacher]

People have said this for years, and it's never true.

Even without a better option than SP, Iowa hasn't lost 6 games in a long while (not since 2014), and there were far more holes on the roster then than there are now.

This. Most years, barring injuries, I consider 8-4 to be the expectation. Both michigan and Ohio state will be tough obviously, but Wisconsin will be here and is absolutely winnable imo. Purdue loses their two best players so who knows what to expect from them.

 

[Hawk_4shur]

I doubt there are any fan bases that are satisfied with their chosen team, including Georgia and Alabama. It's the nature of the fans to assume things should be better - why I don't know.

The Iowa football program is in great shape - that doesn't mean it's perfect by any means, but there are well over 100 D1 schools that would change places with Iowa in a second, including many in the B1G.

Unfortunately, the offense hasn't been very good the last couple of years, even thought they are 16-6 with an appearance in the B1G Championship game. Cause for disappointment? Absolutely. Reasons to be critical? Of course.

Yes, Iowa should have a better QB, but I'm convinced the record wouldn't be any better with Padilla at the helm.

But are there reasons to throw the leader of the program into the dumpster and start over? I sure don't think so.

It will come soon enough. KF will retire and someone else will get a chance, maybe in 2022. Personally, I am nervous about the change, but we shall see.

 

[David1979]

This. Most years, barring injuries, I consider 8-4 to be the expectation. Both michigan and Ohio state will be tough obviously, but Wisconsin will be here and is absolutely winnable imo. Purdue loses their two best players so who knows what to expect from them.

Wisconsin is winnable but Iowa doesn't often beat them.

 

[iowa surfer]

Fans are crazy.

Yes on fans. Spencer gives 100%

 

[David1979]

I doubt there are any fan bases that are satisfied with their chosen team, including Georgia and Alabama. It's the nature of the fans to assume things should be better - why I don't know.

The Iowa football program is in great shape - that doesn't mean it's perfect by any means, but there are well over 100 D1 schools that would change places with Iowa in a second, including many in the B1G.

Unfortunately, the offense hasn't been very good the last couple of years, even thought they are 16-6 with an appearance in the B1G Championship game. Cause for disappointment? Absolutely. Reasons to be critical? Of course.

Yes, Iowa should have a better QB, but I'm convinced the record wouldn't be any better with Padilla at the helm.

But are there reasons to throw the leader of the program into the dumpster and start over? I sure don't think so.

It will come soon enough. KF will retire and someone else will get a chance, maybe in 2022. Personally, I am nervous about the change, but we shall see.

No, Padilla wouldn't make the team any better. The problem is it doesn't appear that Iowa is willing to improve the position in the offseason. Hopefully I am wrong about that.

 

[Hawk_4shur]

No, Padilla wouldn't make the team any better. The problem is it doesn't appear that Iowa is willing to improve the position in the offseason. Hopefully I am wrong about that.

I hope so too. I think most assume everything will stay the same. I am hoping, and expecting, some significant changes.

 

[scotthawk1964]

Kirk needs to quit adding fuel in his comments. All the faults in our qb room is ultimately on him. He hired KOK, twice.

This

 

[Frosty7130]

Wisconsin is winnable but Iowa doesn't often beat them.

I think Wisconsin might be in some dangerous waters right now. Not that I think they're gonna start losing 5 games every year, but their grasp over the top of the division is definitely slipping.

Despite being the AD, Barry was still the soul of that program. I'm very interested to see how they progress without him.

Their two biggest division rivals are both stringing together solid seasons and recruiting classes, and Purdue seems to be trending slightly up as well.

While he's not a huge loss as they still have another experienced coach there, I'm also interested to see how their OL progresses without Joe Rudolph.

 

[scotthawk1964]

I would like to see Brian be at Iowa as a coach, but I wish they would bring in an OC with some credentials and leave the offense up to him. His playbook, his call. About the QB situation, I really hope Labas is as good as some were taughting him to be on the scout team and is givin a fair chance at winning the QB position this season. In my opinion, even if he is just close, let him play, gain the experience because we will still have a good defense, WR's with experience and the OL will have a year of experience. But if Labas has the talent, I would rather lose a game or two by a mistake by him and gain additional wins in the next couple years after he knows what he is doing. I don't want the death by a thousand paper cuts having to watch two sub par QB's duke it out like we did this year.

 

[HawkInArk]

Yes given the quality of the defense, and Iowa without Goodson and Johnson, overall it was way more than I thought Iowa would do. A very untypical Iowa game where outgained the opponent but lost due to more turnovers, not converting a 4th and half-yard at the 11 yard line and special teams being meh to below average in the game.

Have to be better/competent on offense in every aspect if they really want to compete for championships.

It just makes things so damn hard when, in the case of the bowl game, the offense doesn’t do anything until midway thru the 3rd quarter.

Just seems to take the staff and players way too long to pull their heads outta their asses / make adjustments etc etc.

I guess all I’m saying is it would be nice to play well (decent?) for more than 1.5 - 2 out of 4 quarters of football. Maybe even 4 out of 4 quarters of football - wouldn’t that be something!

 

[TheRealHerky]

I'm certainly no expert on QB play. But even I can see the contrasts in SPs game vs. other successful college (and pro) QBs:
1) Nervous Footwork. SP chops his feet in the pocket like he's stomping grapes.
2) No pocket awareness. Looks uncomfortable even without pressure. Never steps up in pocket.
3) Locks on to one receiver - almost always LaPorta.
4) Not accurate enough. Too many throws in the turf or air mailed to wide open guys.
5) His touch on short throws has improved this year, but he chooses too many quick check downs.
6) He Lacks any kind scrambling ability beyond the QB sneak.

Surely the Iowa staff sees this. Yet they keep handing over the offense to him. Maybe it's as simple as SP is the best we got.

 

[SB_SB]

Could this be a setup for allowing Petras to move on? They can blame the fans for him leaving. KF and Petras have to know that if Petras starts next year and loses a game the fans will be all over them. It won't be good for KF or Petras. I'm actually surprised that AP hasn't already entered the portal, maybe he knows Petras won't be around next year.

 

[Frosty7130]

Could this be a setup for allowing Petras to move on? They can blame the fans for him leaving. KF and Petras have to know that if Petras starts next year and loses a game the fans will be all over them. It won't be good for KF or Petras. I'm actually surprised that AP hasn't already entered the portal, maybe he knows Petras won't be around next year.

Doubt it.

Contrary to popular belief, I think the staff is well aware that Petras isn't the ideal option. Hogan took some reps with the one's back in spring before Padilla and Petras moved ahead of him again, and several Iowa beat writers believe the smoke to Joey Labas making an argument this offseason is legitimate.

He's simply our best option at the moment.

 

[nbanflfactory]

Fans are crazy.

For wanting a QB that is at least average?

 

[nbanflfactory]

I don't consider Spencer public enemy #1.....I do however consider Kirk and his kid public enemy #1 & 2. Spencer didn't call for a punt on 4th and short...Kirk did, as he almost always has.
I feel bad for Spencer, that's all I feel for him....he did his best which wasn't very good...and they left him in there to get beat-up even more.

It is fokin hilarious for so many to blame the OL all year and now blame kf for trusting the D more than the OL in that situation!

 

[wcbtee]

Who’s Bryan?

the guy from breaking bad?

 

[SB_SB]

Doubt it.

Contrary to popular belief, I think the staff is well aware that Petras isn't the ideal option. Hogan took some reps with the one's back in spring before Padilla and Petras moved ahead of him again, and several Iowa beat writers believe the smoke to Joey Labas making an argument this offseason is legitimate.

He's simply our best option at the moment.

That's kind of my point. Petras was the best option for now but won't be next year. By creating the hostile fan environment it allows Petras a reason for leaving.

 

[nbanflfactory]

Yeah this isn't the dig you think it is, considering KOK also coached Brad Banks, Nathan Chandler, Drew Tate, Ricky Stanzi, James Vandenberg's best season, and 3 of Nate Stanley's 4 seasons.

I didn't notice Stanley's improvement....

 

[SDHawkDoc]

A player plays and, with rare exceptions, gives his all. It's completely on the coaches, not the players, as to who is on the field.
Spencer isn't at fault for continuing to be trotted out there.

 

[nbanflfactory]

He was/is basically a redshirt freshman.
You don't gain experience on zoom calls or vs teams with opt outs, no crowds, etc.
His first year was filled with distractions.

That has what to do with a accuracy?

 

[Frosty7130]

I didn't notice Stanley's improvement....

Then you weren't paying attention.

I said it in another thread, but Petras is almost hubris for the way many Iowa fans treated Stanley.