Good change of pace, not a ISU or Nebraska thread.
PJ Fleck plans on being Alabama's Equal
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Fleck is always good for a good laugh. The fickle MN fanbase will tire of his shtick by the end of this year. The blowing sunshine up your ass only works so long.
I would suggest a good starting goal for Fleck would be to win more conference games. A team that is averaging 3.0 less conference wins per season than Iowa over the last three seasons obviously should get a toehold in reality before shooting for Alabama’s level.
Just a suggestion...
Just a suggestion...
I'm an educator ... and I view college coaches as carrying a remarkably similar torch. I train people in physics and engineering ... and some of my students end up being poised to be some of the lions of industry.
However, while I'm excited and very proud if I send a lot of students into those very high upper echelons ... an even more important aspect of my job is helping to shape people. Through my class, even if a student struggles - if they can learn good habits - then that will serve them very well through their life. Similarly, one of the most important skills any person can distill from a tech-oriented curriculum is problem solving skills. Divorced from the particular course-matter, problem solving skills are applicable to any problem that the individual faces throughout their life. Thus , if I cannot get people to love physics or engineering, if I can help them develop into proficient problem solvers - then I've done well by those students.
If you draw similar parallels to football coaches - and if you even have an iota of intellect, then you can appreciate the positive impact that coaches might have on their players.
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Not suprizing that at Minny your not familiar with trying to positively mentor young men, what with an overwhelming culture of rape, assault, and burglary by your football and basketball players, and clearly condoned by your schools admin. You must be so proud. How to you set up goals for your coaches. Number of arrests or suspensions per season?
I think when Gold asked about goals he really meant goal posts. As in "what do you guys do with our goal posts?".
Sorry, but thats a dream, its not a plan. Big difference, So WHAT exactly is Fleck going to do to take a team from one that hasn't won the BIG, in 50 years, to one who will win 5 or 6 national titles in a decade? Please enlighten us with his PLAN. The fortunate thing about this nonsense is any recruit with half a brain would see right through this type of grandstanding.
As far as comparing the gophers to Iowa, its been stated several times for anyone with some level of brain function. You have to get to at least where Iowa is and compete for the BIG. Then you need to win it. THEN you get in the playoff. THEN you get a shot at the NATTY. You don't get to skip the first few steps...........
First off you mock where Iowa is but let’s be honest if you could switch spots on the last 10, 20, 30, 40 years who would you take Iowa or Minnesota’s track record? That’s why people rip on goofer fans like gold team you rip on Iowa but your team sucks more which is so ironic. As for making a big deal out of stuff it’s an IOWA message board Judas Priest what do you expect. Go to any other teams boards and shock fans have an inflated opinion of there team. Yet you seemed shocked about it reading it here..,,
Or you could be like Fleck and have the most unrealistic goals that are unattainable. I mean I want to be a billionaire and marry super models and have multiple yachts and houses. I guess that makes me better than the next guy who has more modest and realistic goals with your logic.
PeeJay Fleck is Tim Brewster in a boat!
Dude, Summer doesn't last very long up there... get off your computer and out of your Mom's basement and catch some fresh air.
Good description of a mediocre program trying to reach somethin unattainable. Iowa is soon going to be passed up by the young energetic coaches and teams around them.
I can't believe I am responding to you but anyone who is paying attention knows that Iowa game plans each week and intends to win every game on its schedule. Obviously that does not happen, with the exception of 2015. Another goal is to first win the West and then the B1G Championship and then simply go from there, because the bowl we play in is out of our hands (in 2015 we were one stop away from the College Football playoff).
Ferentz knows how tough it is to recruit to Iowa. He has been an assistant and head coach at Iowa now for 29 years. He's not dumb. All you have to do is read kids' comments who have never been to Iowa; they are shocked at how nice the people are; they are shocked at how great the facilities are.
Ferentz lives in the real world, he knows there will be up and down seasons at Iowa; he will never be so stupid to say that Iowa will soon be Alabama's equivalent. And why is that? Just use some common sense, @Goldteam . How many national championships has Bama won under Saban? How many national championships has Minny won in the last 50 years?
Do you really think Minny will be at Bama's level any time soon, where they are in the College Football playoff EVERY YEAR? Think about it; Bama has been in EVERY College Football playoff. Do you really believe Fleck when he says Minny will soon be Alabama's equal? Do you really believe Fleck when he implies that Minny will soon be in every College Football Playoff, just like Alabama has been?
You surely can't be that naive. Or are you?
Crickets!!!!
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The difference? KF never said 1999 didn't count; he took responsibility for it. PJ basically takes no responsibly for his first year record.
KF is honorable. PJ is a snake oil salesman and Gopher fans are buying everything he is selling. But for how long?
I hope PJ Fleck never, ever leaves Minnesota. Too funny.
What's Minnesota going to do with all those boat oar helmet stickers when Fleck leaves town in 2 years after conning his way into a new, better gig at a .500 program and takes the row the boat thing with him?
Spell check much?
You are an idiot and a clown. And that's no exaggeration.
So is this Year 1 or Year 2 for Fleck?
Here's some excerpts from a column by a Minneapolis Sports writer before last year's Minny/Mich State game:
There was a need here to...to disseminate reality on this week’s challenge, just in case the Fleckian hard-cores were planning to get overheated in the event of a mild upset.
Then again, it would be a monumental achievement for the players, what with the coach’s constant woe-is-my-roster spiel in his campaign to lower expectations.
As a player, you participate in the winter workout program, in spring football, in the summer workout program, and August practice, and then the new coach — completely for his aggrandizement and not yours — advertises this as Year Zero for his program.
Could anyone blame the upperclassmen, the players involved in the 9-4 record and bowl upset in 2016, from sitting around, having a beer and wondering why this self-promoter is implying they are Private Zeros, that Fleck has been put in position to start from the bottom?
Michigan State by 4. That’s not much, but then again it’s Year Zero, and Phillip John keeps telling us how great failure is for the future of his program.
HIS. Not the players’. They are just pawns in the Game of Being P.J.
LINK: https://www.winonadailynews.com/spo...cle_17f3bf3e-9ecd-5e41-85aa-77a1e47534d5.html
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PJ Fleck fan calling somebody ELSE out for exaggerating. Priceless irony.
Suggested PJ Fleck baby steps while coaching the Goal-phers:
- Win a Big Ten Road Game
- Win 3 Big Ten Games in a season
- Have a winning season record.
- Play a Power 5 non-conference opponent with a winning season record.
- Beat a Power 5 non-Conference opponent with a winning season record.
- Beat a Big Ten opponent with a winning season record
- Beat a Big Ten opponent with a winning Big Ten season record
- Average scoring more than 7 points against the top 4 teams in the Western Division of the Big Ten
- Have a winning season record in the Big Ten
- Get invited to any bowl game
- Win any bowl game
- Get invited to a quality bowl game
- Win a quality bowl game
- Win the Big Ten Western Division
- Win the Big 10 Conference
- Big Ten Coach of the Year
- National Coach of the Year
Not to mention coaching half dozen unanimous all Americans and countless other individual players to Big Ten and National awards, AND sending dozens upon dozens of players into the NFL.
If Fleck had this much to back his claim, his goal on, then maybe the Gophers would have a realistic chance to maybe:
- Win the Big Ten Championship Game
- Get in the CFP
- Win a CFP game
- Win the National Title
- Win as many/more National titles as Alabama.
That PJ would propose that becoming the next Alabama is possible by simply saying that's what you plan to do and pointing to the building of the Athletes Village as proof?
Well, IMHO, that's ridiculously stupid.
Harbaugh and Fleck are 2 of a kind good with lip service not good with results they talk good but produce shit
Let me ask again. Is this upcoming season Year 1 or Year 2 for PJ? Can't wait to hear your answer!! It will be fun to make fun of you whatever your answer is!
Crickets!!!
So last year was year 1 and PJ is a quack by saying it was year 0, correct?
PJ does not refer to last year as Year 1; Year 0 most definitely implies that it does not count in PJ's mind.
PJ is most definitely asking for a pass for last year (Year 0). If he thought it should count, he would refer to it as Year 1. You know it. Everyone knows it. You and PJ are just trying to spin things; but guess what? We and the Twin Cities media see right through PJ and fans like you who defend him. We think PJ and fans like you are clowns.
Again, read the article I attached from Reusse, the Twin Cities columnist; read what the Gopher seniors thought about being "private zero's," and then get back to me.
I find it hilarious how you spend so much time on an Iowa board defending the 2nd coming of Tim Brewster.
Dont think so.
Iowa is poised to go on another run in the next three or four seasons under KF and his continuously getting younger staff so I think we are finally going to see Iowa, Wisconsin, and possibly Nebraska separate themselves from the rest of the B1G West and challenge the B1G East teams of tOSU, PSU, MSU, and Michigan for supremacy of the B1G.
Urban was right in saying recruiting has to get better in the B1G, which it has at Iowa and we are starting to see better athletes at all positions on the field. Hope it leads to better results in the win loss column.
You tell me. I can drum up a laundry list of articles quoting former Hawkeye players where they explicitly speak about how Kirk shaped them as young men. There is a nice long list of guys who've gone on to med school and who are now successful doctors and medical professionals. Kirk encourages the guys to shoot higher than just to be jocks ... he encourages them to be hard working, well rounded, socially conscious individuals.
I'm well aware that a lot of coaches take their jobs as mentors quite seriously. However, others, like the Lane Kiffins of the world ... are far more into self-promotion and self-agrandizement. Given how PJ Fleck is more than a little bit of a "rah, rah" kind of guy ... I honestly don't know if he does those things. Since you're clearly a pretty big Gopher fan, I would hope that you know ... and that you could share examples.
I simply stated that Kirk places the importance of developing young men on the "front burner" in terms of importance. You ridiculed me and/or the Hawkeye program for such an emphasis. I never suggested that Fleck didn't also care about developing young men (as people) ... how, it was you, yourself who suggested that it wasn't a laudable objective. That says something about you ... not necessarily about Fleck.
