Patrick still strikes me as the goofy little brother. If I’d have gone thru cancer I probably wouldn’t see the gravity in basketball results in the same way either. He’s missed a lot of his adolescent years and I’m still hoping that his focus on development picks up over the next couple of years.
PMac skeptics or anyone
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I like Pat. Good length, pretty good scorer. Think him jump stopping and shooting a clean 10 foot jumper would do him a lot of good instead of trying to force it all the way to the rim. Overall like his game though.
Last year's unathletic team won the B1G tournament, so you must think that McC is a hell of a bench coach. Otherwise what else could explain it?
Patrick's game is unique, and brings a lot of positives and negatives. His tremendous length allows him to make plays that few others can do as well. He is very effective at the point of the press. He has an unusual outside shot, but hits a decent percentage. He gets some rebounds and steals with his length. On the other hand, Patrick is the worst player in the rotation at man-to-man defense. He can't stay in front of most other offensive 3s, and is unable to wall up effectively, due to a lack of strength. The most correctible weakness is his occasional drives toward the basket, where he ends up usually taking a low-percentage fade away on the left side of the basket. I would love to see him take the ball directly at the basket with force, and make the opponent show that he can stop it. I'm surprised that a coach's son never learned to use his left hand, which would also help on drives. I'm glad Patrick is a Hawkeye, and he needs to be given credit for fighting through his health issues.
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Correct; however, he is getting less minutes too as the reserves get on the floor. What we do have so far says he has improved.
I mean he's never going to be an NBA player. I think sometimes people forget what a rarity that is and how many super talented players never get there. Think of how many good players have gone through Iowa and never been drafted. Uthoff and Cook just to name a few recent ones. Do you think Patrick is close to the talent of those guys? Garza and Marble were first team all B1G players and had to wait until the second round to hear their names called. Patrick is a nice player but he's probably only the 3rd or 4th best player on his own team. Like I said, he'd do well to earn some money overseas at the end of his college career.
Try hilarious and a bit pathetic.....agree with your post. PMac is all of 6'9" and have you seen his handles? He's 6'9" tall people with those handles and yes, makes some mistakes but watch him, Rebraca, Kris, Payton, Perkins....all of them can bring the ball up the court in a heartbeat!
DanHawk brought this ability of all 5 starters being able to do this in one of his many excellent posts in the Lounge which does not require an outlet pass on a D rebound, gets us into the break faster which most teams can't do and puts a ton of pressure on the opposing D to get the hell back on D, find a guy on the break and to defend the break...
Pmac is a darn good player and will get better and better.....shame on posters for not seeing this.
The Big Ten is not a great basketball league.Last year's unathletic team won the B1G tournament, so you must think that McC is a hell of a bench coach. Otherwise what else could explain it?
PMacs shooting has come around as well as FTs. Positive
Negative, stop the forced drives UNLESS he starts taking one more dribble and uses his length. He is so damn long he could flush the ball many of the times he drives qith one more dribble. Either attack it hard and aggressive or drive , stop and pop. This would cut his misses on those drives in half or less.
Negative, stop the forced drives UNLESS he starts taking one more dribble and uses his length. He is so damn long he could flush the ball many of the times he drives qith one more dribble. Either attack it hard and aggressive or drive , stop and pop. This would cut his misses on those drives in half or less.
I think he needs to work on a jab step and a 2 dribble pull up drive. His 3+dribble drives are whe he gets into trouble and gets into double and triple teams. He's been doing that for 3 years and still makes the same mistakes. Maddening.
Yet we keep beating the acc in the challenge.
I think he has the skill set that if he was high motor, selfless, or played with intensity he would bring a lot of value to the team. But he honestly comes off arrogant at times, like he is too talented to constantly try to out work opponents. It’s gotten better but it’s still there.
He also does some things that you wouldn’t expect of a coaches son. Like leaving your feet without a position to attack the basket and then force a pass or low percentage floater.
He seemed worried about Murray trying to take position after position after being unstoppable. Maybe in a game it’s clear a win is likely it’s good to try to mix up the offense but just thought it was funny look for Patrick to be asking for the ball after Murray scored 4 baskets in a row.
He has gotten better on the boards. He helps the team but it does appear his attitude is way different than his brothers or Tony Perkins. I think on defense he should be able to look like Aaron White at times. He’s not going to have the fast break execution like that but he has the length that should be a factor more often on full court press.
He also does some things that you wouldn’t expect of a coaches son. Like leaving your feet without a position to attack the basket and then force a pass or low percentage floater.
He seemed worried about Murray trying to take position after position after being unstoppable. Maybe in a game it’s clear a win is likely it’s good to try to mix up the offense but just thought it was funny look for Patrick to be asking for the ball after Murray scored 4 baskets in a row.
He has gotten better on the boards. He helps the team but it does appear his attitude is way different than his brothers or Tony Perkins. I think on defense he should be able to look like Aaron White at times. He’s not going to have the fast break execution like that but he has the length that should be a factor more often on full court press.
Everyone including myself said that Connor's shooting couldn't be fixed, that perception seems to be blown up so far this year, but Pat has up to 2 years remaining s if he wants and his game is only going to get better. He's an intricate part of this team and provides leadership, length, scoring, and rebounding. Not bad for a player that just a few years ago was having health issues from his bout with throat cancer. Jesus people, not every player can be a Keegan or Kris Murray...
And have the best record of any conference in the country this year against all of those "better" conferences.
Really like the post QChawk......agree on PMac for sure but just to be clear, not everyone said that Connor's shot couldn't be fixed. Big issue was playing the two sports and not so healthy either.....so excited for him it appears he has his shot fixed and is just a fabulous player. leader/role model in so many other ways on and off the floor.
You're taking this way to seriously.
Pats handles are adequate but nothing special. Rebraca is the same height and there's not much difference there.
Its not that he makes mistakes its that his fundamentals are bad.
He does a lot of the same stuff that Toussaint used to. Dribbling without purpose and then getting stuck in bad spot.
Just accept that this is infact a real thing and perfectly acceptable to discuss.
It doesn't mean people don't think he's a good player.
If Aaron White traded his tenacity around the basket for an outside shot (and some hair) you'd have Patrick. That's the closest comparison I can come up with.
If Patrick were as strong and aggressive as Aaron White, we would have two potential All-Americans on the team.
I’m not one of the everyone…. I asserted that with Connor finally being healthy and having the entire off season to work on basketball that it was possible….not that it would happen, but that it was possible.
Agreed, whitey was a savage. Patrick needs a lane for a big dunk, white would do it in traffic off two feet with one step.
white was one of the quickest jumper’s I have watched at Iowa and had tremendous timing
The best thing for Pmac to do IMO is to let the game come to him and be an opportunistic scorer. It's clear that Pmac and Fran think he can/should attack off the bounce and this is where he gets himself into trouble with bad decisions/shots. He isn't quick enough to take even non-conference opponents off the bounce and is all right hand which is hard to fathom being the son of a coach.
As others have stated, he is a bit of Swiss Army Knife in that he can score in transition, shoot the 3, get to the line and create turnovers in the press. HIs rebounding and defense have improved and like Connor, he is a high IQ guy on the court. He adds a lot of value to the team no question, but he could raise his game by reducing forced/bad shots and trusting that his teammates will find him for open looks.
As others have stated, he is a bit of Swiss Army Knife in that he can score in transition, shoot the 3, get to the line and create turnovers in the press. HIs rebounding and defense have improved and like Connor, he is a high IQ guy on the court. He adds a lot of value to the team no question, but he could raise his game by reducing forced/bad shots and trusting that his teammates will find him for open looks.
Good post. Pmac could benefit from emulating Sandfort's game. He has gotten off to a slow start, but what has impressed me from day one about Sandfort is that he knows how to use his body and angles to create space to get good shots and doesn't force things. Sandfort uses the dribble strategically to get to a spot and he takes the open shot. Pmac tends to dribble without a plan, gets stuck and forces the shot.
Pmac is still figuring his game out will get better as the year progresses. I like what he did against Omaha ( I think) when he jab stepped, got the defender on his heels and splashed the mid-range jumper.
Comparing a few non-con games to prior year total doesn’t seem palled to applesLess turnovers, higher shooting percentage, more rebounds, and greater FT shooting. You are watching the wrong person and getting confused.
Last year - .422 FG, 3PT .330, FT .714 PPG 10.5, R 3.6
This year - .474 .500 .810 15.0 5.3
Most of the time when a poster resorts to "our competition is weak, that's why we look good" it is generally time to move on, it is a sure sign they are reaching for anything to support their opinion.
Part of the problem is hes always being defended by shorter quicker players at the 3.
If you're going to be oversized at a position you're going to have to rely more on that size advantage.
By the end of last year he had mostly stopped doing the iso stuff that doesn't work well.
His jump shot is very effective, he can drive off of that when defenders close out.
Its the iso stuff that is low percentage.
I don’t post much on the basketball board, but I’ll say this he is awkward as hell… He just is, I don’t dislike him. In fact, I think he’s an asset, but to tell you the truth as much heat as Connor has faded over the years, he is a basketball, IQ phenom, and if his shooting holds up throughout the year, he is a major asset.
As far as the Murray’s are concerned, they don’t appear to be elite athletes yet they can seemingly get to the rim at will, and with their high hands and high jump shot they seemingly can pull up and shoot over anybody which has a cumulative effect of increasing their athleticism.
They are soooo fluid they are fairly remarkable to watch because again you say is this kid a good athlete or is he not?
And won the Gavitt Games this year 6-2
Patrick is pretty herky-jerky on the court, but he gets things done. He has improved all of his offensive stats every year since being a freshman and that's what you look for in a player...Progress. Given what he's ben through, he should be praised for what he is, not damned for what he isn't.
Umm, we'll see if he gets better. He is no question an asset but lots of room to be better.
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