Poll Gman v Suriano
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PSU fan but even with that Gilman owns everyone, undefeated and either the highest or second highest point scorer at ncaas
Don't see it close, maybe in the score but not in controlling the match
Don't see it close, maybe in the score but not in controlling the match
Hard to judge based on what I've seen so far...really waiting to see how Suriano looks against the kid from Lehigh next month, and then against a stacked 125 field at the Southern Scuffle. At this point hard to pick anyone but Gilman at 125...
I foresee a huge letdown for you at the Scuffle. PSU not attending this year.
I have a hard time seeing Gilman with less than a major against anyone this season. There may be a few guys that lay on their stomach if the ref allows it.
I don't think Suriano has the offense to beat Gilman, but his defense will frustrate him.
Suriano isn't a great matchup for Gilman. Gilman typically wears dudes out and breaks em mentally. Suriano has cardio for days and is mentally tough. I don't think Suriano has the offense to beat Gilman at this point, so I'm seeing a 3-4 point low scoring win for Gilman.
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ditto.... I kind of see a McD v Megaludis type match happening. Gilman wins, but by dec.
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Suriano doesn't have the offense yet to beat Gilman, but his defense & gas tank will keep things close
I'm guessing 3-1 Gilman, maybe 4-1, but Suriano never comes close to taking down Gilman.
That said, I don't think Gilman would want a 1-1 match late in the 3rd. That would be playing right into Suriano's strengths -> and I don't think anyone wants to go to TB rideouts vs Suriano.
I'm guessing 3-1 Gilman, maybe 4-1, but Suriano never comes close to taking down Gilman.
That said, I don't think Gilman would want a 1-1 match late in the 3rd. That would be playing right into Suriano's strengths -> and I don't think anyone wants to go to TB rideouts vs Suriano.
Gilman is a different animal then Connor Schram. However, this is difficult to forecast until we have a larger sample size on what Suriano brings to the table on his feet offensively. Maybe he's got nothing, but maybe that's first dual jitters and against a decent opponent. We honestly don't know much about his offense or his defense, really, since Schram took zero shots. I'd probably pick GIlman by a few TDs.
Gilman will kick Suriano's ass every which way but loose, up to and including Suriano letting the Carver Hawkeye janitorial staff know how many light bulbs need replaced. Assuming he doesn't get DQ'd prior to that for stalling.
Who forgot to PM 23 and I about the hustle being set up on our PSU friends for side bets?
My bad...was looking at the list of teams and my mind saw Penn State despite the fact that the article listed Penn.
http://www.gomocs.com/news/2016/10/20/wrestling-field-announced-for-the-2017-southern-scuffle.aspx
Dude hasn't wrestled go go guys? What the F does that mean?
Yeah, this would be my initial reaction, too. One thing is for certain -- Thomas won't be taking any win for granted and will be looking to dominate everyone. While I'd expect Suriano to keep the score close, Thomas' experience, strength, and mental fortitude could prove overwhelming for a freshman -- even one as tough as Suriano.
I think the venue could influence the match, too. I'll be very impressed if Suriano keeps it close in Carver. I think he's more likely to keep it close at Big Tens or Nationals.
Thomas bonuses like go go lol. ""Wtf does that mean"
Meant Thomas is a bonus point machine
Meant Thomas is a bonus point machine
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Do we really know if he has that great of defense against really good college guys? Maybe I guess, but we are judging it off the Standford kid who took 1 half shot. He mentioned in the post match interview about how strong the Stanford kid is. This is one way a high school phenom can be brought to earth in college. Sometimes a kid in high school is just so much stronger than everyone no one can touch him. In college damn near everyone that is any good is freaky strong.
That being said Suriano's defense keeps it to a 3-5 point match.
That being said Suriano's defense keeps it to a 3-5 point match.
I agree with you 1. Schram did absolutely nothing all match even after he gave up a stall point. 2. Suriano should have been hit for stalling in the 3rd for doing nothing on top. Fortunately for him his opponent didn't do anything all match. 3. Gilman will not let a freshman or anyone pop him in the forehead for a whole period.
I do think the match will be close score wise, but a dominate performance with Gilman getting 2 stall points.
Suriano better bring his lunch with him because it's going to be a long 7 minutes if it even goes that far.
Suriano looked damn tough against Stanford. No denying that. Looked like he could have gone a couple more periods, no problem. Kid has a huge gas tank. That being said, Schramm didn't do a lot, if anything at all. Thought he'd be at least seasoned enough to combine a couple moves together and scare Suriano with a TD. IDK.
You take away the intrigue of it being Suriano's first big test though, and the match was boring as all hell.
Gilman's on a mission this year. He's going to give Suriano the most intensive, energy draining 7 minutes of his young career.
Suri (not a typo, my new nickname for him) will have to fend off multiple combos of attacks with a guy that is equally if not stronger than him.
Gilman over Suri 6-1
You take away the intrigue of it being Suriano's first big test though, and the match was boring as all hell.
Gilman's on a mission this year. He's going to give Suriano the most intensive, energy draining 7 minutes of his young career.
Suri (not a typo, my new nickname for him) will have to fend off multiple combos of attacks with a guy that is equally if not stronger than him.
Gilman over Suri 6-1
He might roll over but it won't be willingly.
I do think we need to see more from Suriano before making an educated guess.
What we can guess so far is that he's a great defensive wrestler with a big gas tank.
Right now I'll take the seasoned Senior over the Freshman by 3-4 points.
What we can guess so far is that he's a great defensive wrestler with a big gas tank.
Right now I'll take the seasoned Senior over the Freshman by 3-4 points.
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Ok guys this reminds me of when I was sitting with the wrestlers in the lobby of our hotel at National Duals in Cedar Falls. The wrestlers were teasing Perry about all the talk with Reader giving him all he can handle and maybe beat him when Reader was a freshmen. Lets get serious guys. Major decision is my bet. It would be like saying The Bull is going to give IMart all he can handle and maybe beat him. While I love the Bull he is not there yet.
Gilman has to be patient. If I were Gilman my first goal would be to get a stall call on Suriano. Things might open up after that.
I just figured out who Suriano reminds me of (as a wrestler) - Lance Palmer.
I'll take Gilman by a few points right now. The thing that makes this tough is that it's hard to gauge how good some defensive guys really are (how many picked Dake over Taylor when he bumped to 165?) and an offensive juggernaut like Gilman could possibly play into that trap if he's not careful. I will say in the Army match up Sauriano did look pretty slick on his feet, granted it was against a lesser opponent. It will be interesting to watch him progress this season - as a true freshman you don't know what kind of strides he is going to make in the next 4 or so months, he could be a different animal come March.
I think the Marinelli comparison is unfair to Suriano. Part of the reason that this is a conversation is due to Freshman making a lot of noise at 125, the same can't necessarily be said about 165.
Can we stop with the once-a_________ wrestler talk? Every it seems we say this about someone new. iMar, Mark Hall, Spencer Lee, Taylor, Dake, Ed Ruth, Metcalf, Mocco, Stieber.... iMar is awesome. Problem is he was pinned by a freshman last year and lost a wrestling match last week. Although that freshman is a once in a lifetime wrestler right? Oh except for the guy on his team the weight below....
Once a lifetime, once a decade, once a generation blah blah blah. If we go by the forums we must be talking about a housefly's generation
I wouldn't necessarily call Gilman an offensive juggernaut. He scores a lot of points because he's a takedown machine. He's never established himself as a guy who can turn the elite guys on top. He does ride well on top though. When he does put guys on their backs it's usually feet to back type stuff. If he had a top game like Clark, yikes.
I would argue Don that many of those you mentioned have done things that few or no American wrestler have ever done. That makes em special. Lee is the first guy to win 3 World Titles before his 18th birthday. Hall has 2. Imar may end up a 4 timer with only 1 career loss. That's only been done a few times ever. Steiber was a 4 timer. Dake was a four timer at 4 different weights. First time that's ever happened. I think we've been blessed and to be blessed to watch some of the best wrestlers of our generation. A lot of them just so happen to be hitting the mat all at the same time.
If Gilman had won against Nico last year, he would have scored the second most points at nationals. He is a great wrestler and deserving of the accolades. That said, he beats Suriano by 4-6 his first meeting, and by only a point or two at B1Gs and/or nationals.
