Exactly my point. There are not once a [fill in the blank] type wrestlers. They are very good wrestlers and we have had new very good wrestlers every year since I could remember.
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How about we just go with one of Jim Zabel's favorites -"he's one of the all-time greats of recent years."
IMar is 67-1 and 2 for 2 at NCAA's. Only 1 guy in DI history started off better(of those that were eligible as freshmen). If that doesn't put him in the conversation for a once in a "______", what does? Also, don't forget he went on to beat the guy that pinned him twice, and that guy's only losses are to IMar and he is favored to dominate his weight class this year. Also, did you just use a 10-9 Freestyle loss as a sophomore to a seasoned veteran as a knock on him? Even Dan Gable was losing to guys like Hatta before he graduated!
Ya think Carl might repost this thread and give it to Soriano? Ya know... cause he's a great motivator?
Big IMar fan here. Thematforums don't seem to be giving him his due, so I am already a bit testy. I fully expect the guy to be the next 4timer and think he truly is a once in a generation type Folkstyle wrestler. He is still way too raw in Freestyle to use that as a barometer!
I guess 67-1 kids who have 2 titles in 2 years grow on trees.
This board is a hoot sometimes.
This board is a hoot sometimes.
IMar is awesome. I just hate the once in a _____ saying because it just does not hold much merit when it gets thrown around every year for a new guy. Yes certain accomplishments happen infrequently. But Stieber is on his level. Dake is on his level. Heck Taylor & Ruth are on his level in some regards. They may not be able to accomplish the same accolades as IMar, but there are some accomplishments of theirs he will not be able to match.
For crying out loud how can he be a once in a decade talent when he has 2 more to go and Dake & Stieber just graduated.
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Here's my list for "Once-in-a-Decade" wrestlers 2006-2016: Logan Striebler, Kyle Dake, Alex Dieringer, J'den Cox, Jake Varner, Kyle Synder, Ed Ruth, David Taylor, Gabe Dean, and who else? Can't anyone see how ridiculous this gets?
I completely understand your logic. It may be more accurate to say IMar is "trending" to be a once in a generation talent. You just have to realize that we just got spoiled with 2-2xers(Dake, Stieber) when it hadn't happened since 2002(Sanderson) and only happened twice prior(Sanderson and Smith). Although the saying is often taken literally, it is very possible to have multiple once in a generation talents wrestling at the same time.
Yeah I forgot Snyder, Cox... two Once-in-a-generation wrestlers that won NCAA titles and Olympic medals in the same year and are coming back.
If anybody wants to watch the Suriano/Schram video its right here:
I was actually more impressed with Suriano when I heard the 3-0 score than I was when I watched the video. As others have said, neither did anything the whole match
IMO where they're at now, I'll take Gilman by 5-6 and looking for bonus at the end
I was actually more impressed with Suriano when I heard the 3-0 score than I was when I watched the video. As others have said, neither did anything the whole match
IMO where they're at now, I'll take Gilman by 5-6 and looking for bonus at the end
perfect!
that would give us a once in a decade wrestler per year....sounds about right
After watching that match, I wouldn't say Suriano was any more aggressive on his feet than Schram was. I honestly don't think a stall warning was warranted unless it was a double stall. To me they both equally stalled on their feet. All Suriano did was extend an arm to the top of Schram's head and push. Schram continously tried to tie up but Suriano kept him at a distance and shrugged off the collar tie every time. It smartly made it look like Schram was backing up, but it basically came as a response to constantly having someone pushing the top of his forehead.
Suriano deserved to win because he was better on the mat, but I didn't see 1 thing that leads me to believe he is remotely at Gilman's level. Defense may be a great equalizer, but Gilman's neutral motion will most likely create the opposite lean on stall calls in neutral if Suriano wrestles the same way!
Suriano deserved to win because he was better on the mat, but I didn't see 1 thing that leads me to believe he is remotely at Gilman's level. Defense may be a great equalizer, but Gilman's neutral motion will most likely create the opposite lean on stall calls in neutral if Suriano wrestles the same way!
Gilman is heavy hands and intense right off the bat. He will keep coming and keep coming. Gilman will win by 7-8 pts
Not sure you'd find one person who thinks Nick is on Gilman's level at this time. Agreed that defense is a great equalizer, and that is what many of us are saying when we call the score by 3-6 points for Gilman. Again very similar to Zain, who even beating Logan, was not considered better than him (despite the polls). Logan proved that later that season.
[QUOTE="Pennstate1985, post: 3806777, member: 68580"]Not sure you'd find one person who thinks Nick is on Gilman's level at this time. Agreed that defense is a great equalizer, and that is what many of us are saying when we call the score by 3-6 points for Gilman. Again very similar to Zain, who even beating Logan, was not considered better than him (despite the polls). Logan proved that later that season.[/QUOTE]
13.5% would argue with you on that one. Check out the poll results. I think it would be more like not one person excluding the blowies, thinks Nick is on Gilman's level at this time. Just saying.
13.5% would argue with you on that one. Check out the poll results. I think it would be more like not one person excluding the blowies, thinks Nick is on Gilman's level at this time. Just saying.
How about a Nolf-Kemmerer poll. Would be interested to see what you guys think on that one as well. Btw, for the dual meet, I'd say Suri (whoever came up with this I like) loses to Gilman by 5 or 6. During Bigs I'm thinking by a td. Come the championships familiarity with Gilman will make it a tossup.
Lol... At no point this this season will that match be considered a "toss up".
Based off that one match up alone, there's no way you can call the match a toss up. Suriano looked...not great. No TDs, nor even close, plus a stall ride. That's not a recipe for beating Gilman. He's just not going to be able to stop Gilman forever with solid hips unless he can do the splits like Nico, and I don't remember him being like that in high school.
Yeah, I'm not sure what PSU fans are seeing when they say Schram ran the entire time. They were literally standing on the Nittany Lion for over half the match. Neither guy was interested in doing a damn thing. Suriano then proceeded to ride for an entire period without even thinking about getting a turn.
I honestly don't think there is a homer on this board that would pick Kemerer, especially since most know he would be at 149 if not for Sorenson. Fan fervor is as strong on this board as anywhere, but nearly all seem to have enough knowledge to know the difference between wanting and expecting.
I'll take Kemdawg 9-7
Gilman will hammer him after watching that video.
It only took you 11 minutes to prove me wrong. I will be cheering as hard for Kemerer as almost anyone, but there is no way I would expect anyone to pick him to beat Nolf, especially after watching him last season. In fact, if Kemerer were good enough to beat Nolf I think he would be wrestling 149 and Sorenson would have been forced up to 157.
On what basis? Kemerer has the body type to grow. He said they (meaning the coaches, Sorensen, Kemdawg) decided this going back last season. So why would you put the smaller guy up at 157, especially when the mountains to climb with both PSU guys are virtually the same? I mean really...pick your poison: Retherford or Nolf.
Because you put the best guy at his ideal weight and from what I have seen from Brands, he has always encouraged/ let that happen. If Kemerer is good enough to beat Nolf already as an undersized 157, I would assume he is better than Sorenson at his ideal weight.
With that said, I agree they are exactly at the best spot for the team.
Doesn't make sense. If you are good enough to beat the best guy at 157, why the hell would you want to/need to cut to 149? I think Kemdawg will give Nolf a good match here and there but I don't see a W coming out of it.
I'll take Kemdawg over Nolf. Maybe not the first time through but he will take him out at Big Tens and nationals if Nolf has the misfortune of being on the same side of the bracket.
I haven't read so much praise for a PSU freshman since the day Gulibon wrestled his first match.
