LOL - The Palestinians (Hamas) have stated many times the goal is the complete annihilation of Israel.
Don't believe anything less than that.
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Don't believe anything less than that.
You think Bibi didn’t know what Hamas wanted? He thought they were a useful foil he could manipulate as well.
I support Israel. I do NOT support the Netanyahu-led government. Those are not one and the same. Just like Palestinians and Hamas are the same thing.
The level of naivety from western liberals and even Israeli liberals is stunning.
The Trump of Israel comment makes no sense. They're just both things you don't like.
If Palestine got its way, what would the result be?
Is Israel got its way, what would the result be?
Most Palestinians support Hamas, though.
Poll: Hamas Remains Popular Among Palestinians
Palestinian support for Hamas in the West Bank and Gaza remains high, according to a Palestinian poll released on March 20. That support has increased since the Iran-backed terrorist...
www.fdd.org
Hear me out.
We don’t actually ‘have to’ do that stuff.
What if we got out of the ‘dirty work’ business of regime change, etc. and just let them alone?
Btw, Israeli newspaper reporting that Bibi torpedoed a hostage deal back in July.
Sure, doesn’t help that they’re the only game in town currently.Most Palestinians support Hamas, though.
Poll: Hamas Remains Popular Among Palestinians
Palestinian support for Hamas in the West Bank and Gaza remains high, according to a Palestinian poll released on March 20. That support has increased since the Iran-backed terrorist...
Somehow, some way; there needs to be someone offering an alternative to Hamas there - adding caveat that Hamas hasn’t allowed elections since they won their one election nearly 20 years ago.
So that’s obviously a giant hurdle. I don’t think it’s unfair to say that Israel also needs to turn away from its radicals if they genuinely want peace.
‘Somehow, some way’, the Germans got an alternative to the to the Nazis there - adding that the Nazis hadn’t allowed an election since they won their one election nearly 12 years prior.
Too ‘radical’ a solution to implement in Gaza?
I'm sure that doesn't help matters and makes it worse. But yes, they hate them just for existing.
There’s also a level of Zion fundamentalists naivety that is stunning as well. Think they can just wipe Gaza and the West Bank off the map. While fighting with Iran and Hezbelloh as well. And that the liberal Jews will keep going with it.
Do we really care about that ONE nation?
I don't like to see people getting killed, but we DON'T HAVE THE MONEY for it.
I'm tired of paying everyone's bills when we can't even pay our own. In what world does that make sense?
Rather than help other countries, help the homeless. There should not be one homeless vet in this country.
Help the mentally ill. Help education. Help ANYTHING. But help Americans.
This is circular logic. They can’t prove otherwise because there’s been no opportunity to do so. And there won’t be an opportunity do so until they prove otherwise.
I’ve tried to articulate this before - I simply don’t believe that the stated objective of wiping out Hamas by Israel is achievable…there’ll always be a few that escape the net. Believing that, just makes me believe that in the long-run this war in Gaza will just create more recruits for a reborn Hamas.
More than half the Gaza population is under 25, right? There’s an opportunity there I think. But full-scale war is destroying that chance.
California has spent $24 billion on homelessness and the problem has only gotten worse. People have to be willing to help themselves. Abusing alcohol and drugs doesn’t deserve a handout.
Freedom to do whatever you want doesn’t absolve one from the consequences.
The ones in the West Bank aren’t ruled by Hamas. Not sure how popular they are with them. Still Zionist by gun point continue building new settlements there. It’s all complex and a dangled cluster****.
Israel has to do what we did to the Native Americans or flat out colonize it with their current approach.
They have no desire to "wipe Gaza and the West Bank off the map." They just want to be left alone, like going to a concert without be attacked, raped and killed.
The "liberal jews" seem to think that they can pacify their way out of this. If their thought process prevailed, I'm afraid you'd see many more Israeli deaths.
Many of you are not taking the full measure of this. They are going up against some of the most evil POSs on the planet right now.
What I at least am trying to argue is that trying to bomb Hamas into the ground hasnt been a successful strategy either, and imo is not an achievable one.
Until BOTH sides want to talk, peace is impossible. Neither Bibi nor Hamas are interested, so the killing will continue.
Palestine had a hell of a deal brokered by Clinton. It gave them damn near everything they wanted and a path to eventually get everything.
Arafat refused to sign it. He said he would be assassinated if he did. Nothing short of complete Jewish removal or slaughter is acceptable.
If Palestinians are not Hamas why don’t the help identify Hamas and why didn’t they point out the tunnel system?
Arafat refused to sign it. He said he would be assassinated if he did. Nothing short of complete Jewish removal or slaughter is acceptable.
If Palestinians are not Hamas why don’t the help identify Hamas and why didn’t they point out the tunnel system?
I read that you are trying to disparage humanitarian aid for political reasons. You are a hack.
Oh snap. Are they going to make Musk the new Trump? Obviously, he's not currently eligible for the POTUS but with enough money and elbow grease that is probably just a detail. Dude....get off the guy's nuts, it isn't very comfortable.
*IDF bombs, shoots, and commits war crimes against Palestinian civilians*
Huh I wonder why Palestinian civilians aren't helping the IDF.
Good God you're an idiot. Of course you did. Read it again slowly. Does my posting history support anything that would suggest humanitarian aid is bad? I swear to God with some of you dolts.
Personally they need a cease fire. Rest the military and then go back after Hamas after gathering hostages and resting the military. They’re straining themselves in all directions.
As for being left alone
Israel approves plans for 3,400 new homes in West Bank settlements
An Israeli minister has said the construction is a response to a recent deadly Palestinian attack.
www.bbc.com
Hamas wants thousands of fighters released, a pause in fighting so they can regroup, and they want the IDF out of the Philadelphi corridor where 150 tunnels were recently discovered.
Why do you think that is?
Is that a concession Israel should make in your view?
Doing nothing is creating more of the same. If hamas never gets removed then explain how you're going to get a different result? Again, more of the same. There is an opportunity and it's not to allow hamas to stay in power. You're foolish if you think you're going to get a different result by doing nothing. And while you're doing nothing, Israel has every right to get their hostages back and defend themselves from future attacks.
You do realize Hamas wouldn't offer any deal that wasn't a 100% win for them?
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