Without knowing what was in that deal? No. And neither do you. What was reported is that they had a deal in place until Bibi torpedoed it.
Where did I advance “doing nothing”?
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It’s all starting to become tangled. Zionist Jews are becoming more powerful in the Israeli Government. They believe in flattening Gaza regardless of the cost. That more of the West Bank should be Annexed. And that Liberal Jews are betrayers to the cause of Israel. There is legitimate fear of a civil war type event happening with more Liberal Jew demonstrations.
As I said above cut a deal. Rest your military and then go back in under a more opportune logistical time.
I agree with your points to an extent. If Israel would stop settlers from moving into Gaza, West Bank, etc. then I think they would really want peace. 10% (700K) Israeli's population are settler's that are illegally on Palestinian land. It would go a long way toward peace to move those people off occupied lands. Until they back off, they can expect continued terrorist attacks.
O come on now. The Native Americans lived side by side with American settlers and that turned out all right for them eventually got Casinos.
Please provide a plan where you get different results by allowing hamas to stay in power?
Palestinian have want to exterminate Jews for a long long time. It has nothing to do with settlers. Removing settlers would not go a long way towards peace because there is no peace when palestinians want to kill every Jew.
No. They’re not tight with us like Israel. I’m not really sure anyone is. They do a lot of dirtbag shit for us. Jordan isnt strong enough and Saudi Arabia doesn’t need us. When MBS killed a very public US citizen and we didn’t do shit, told me all I need to know about the Saudis. They play by their own rules.
The tunnel in which the most recent 6 hostages were executed was examined and it was determined the entrance to that tunnel started in a child's bedroom.
This is a perfect example of what the Palestinian mindset is, they use children as shields.
I support the complete destruction of Palestine
This is a perfect example of what the Palestinian mindset is, they use children as shields.
I support the complete destruction of Palestine
All these issues are intertwined. You can't separate them. You seem to have a disingenuous approach to honestly in this particular thread.
In this case,
pacify verb [T] (CALM)
to cause someone who is angry or upset to be calm and satisfied
This context makes your previous post even less definitive than if you were using the more common definition of "pacify", when talking about geopolitical warfare.
I get the feeling you'd be a lot more palatable of a poster if you didn't try so hard to be vague and judgemental.
First they have to find an alternative to Hamas.
Or do you think wiping out Hamas like Bibi has pledged is his goal, is possible?
Biden/Harris spent $150 billion to feed, clothes, house and transport illegals last year. Not a single one of them is a U.S. citizen.
We support all kinds of bad actors. Israel is the clean laundry lol.
Who is “they” and how exactly are “they” going to get an alternative to hamas?
What is the impediment?
Why not remove that impediment?
Or is it preferable to make a ceasefire with Nazism in keffiyehs and just wait for the next promised attack?
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The palestinians attacked Israel and now Israel is fighting back. It’s the same thing we did when attacked. Some of you fail to see the real issue, palestinians want all Jews dead.
Where are you getting that all Palestinians want Israel eradicated? You are playing a game of semantics. Very dishonest.
You ask a lot of questions but never give answers.
Do you believe Israel’s current campaign is going to produce the stated goal of wiping out Hamas?
Yes, now you. Do you think the palestinians current campaign (which is the same campaign for 15+ years) is going to get rid of hamas? Let's hear your answers.
Where are you getting that palestinians are ok with Jews? Do you honestly believe that if Israel put down their guns, they'd last more than a day or those friendly palestinians would try to protect the Jews?
Well considering Hamas hasn’t allowed any opposition to themselves since they took power, the answer is no as things currently stand.
I don’t think Israel can wipe out Hamas either, if only because I don’t believe all of Hamas remained in Gaza after October 7th. To truly have a chance of taking out Hamas, Israel will need international cooperation to hunt them down on any other country they sheltered in.
And Rico, don’t be a dick.
I've flipped on this one. I used to think 'no'. The reality of last October changed my mind. In some ways Israel's policy of an-eye-for-an-eye-plus-an-eye got to be too much for the Palestinians. When a bombing would happen, Israel would bulldoze the bomber's house, plus a neighbor's house, as a deterrent. It became extreme.
Israel's very survival depends on other countries remembering the holocaust. That memory seems to be fading. The very people kicked out of Saudi Arabia and Jordan now seem to be the darlings of misguided college students and paid protestors. The notion that it's a country's leader's fault when innocent people are brutally executed by a terrorist organization is alarming.
Israel's very survival depends on other countries remembering the holocaust. That memory seems to be fading. The very people kicked out of Saudi Arabia and Jordan now seem to be the darlings of misguided college students and paid protestors. The notion that it's a country's leader's fault when innocent people are brutally executed by a terrorist organization is alarming.
So where is that "international cooperation" going to come from, and where has it been? You're just making up some fake solution that will never happen. When there is actual international cooperation that is willing to police/control Gaza, then you and I might actually agree. Until that time, Israel has no choice but to protect themselves and get their hostages back.
Your last sentence is extremely alarming because it's so true. How some of these people can blame the leader of Israel for a terrorist attack is just crazy.
And this is why I can’t give the current Bibi government unconditional support. OF COURSE Israel has to defend itself, I’ve never questioned that. I disagree with their tactics, not their strategy. I’m fully on-board with going after Hamas to the fullest extent possible; I simply disagree that pounding every Gazan city to rubble is going to have the desired outcome.
As for hostages….frankly, based on what I’ve seen in the news it truly seems to me that this is a secondary goal for Bibi; to be fair, at least somewhat conflicting with his stated goal of wiping out Hamas.
I don’t pretend to be any sort of expert on international relations. Just stating my opinion that I’ve gotten the impression for awhile that Israel under Bibi’s government seems to have decided it will do whatever it has to and damn the consequences. To this point, it doesn’t seem like this is a winning strategy.
Thanks for keeping it civil.
Again, you're REALLY stupid. Don't question anyone else's intelligence because you clearly couldn't comprehend what you might have read. No critical thinking skills. At all. SMH.
My dad always used to say, if you don't take care of business then someone else will and don't be surprised when you don't like the way they do it. Gaza can't clean up their mess, that "international cooperation" that you talked about doesn't exist, The UN isn't willing to go in, We're not willing to go in, so guess what, Israel is going to take care of business their way. Those flies that have been biting them for years now became hornets that need to be taken care of.
Regarding the hostages, they might be a secondary goal, but tell me in history where getting the hostages/pow's was ever the #1 priority. The first priority is winning the war.
I feel like your dislike for Bibi has you in a mode where you're just not going to like anything Israel does. I get it, I feel that same way about everything trump does. It's hard for me to see anything good from trump. Try to not look at this so much as "Bibi's war", because you'll always find a reason to disagree with it.
Hamas could give 2 shits about the hostages, the end game for Hamas is to buy time to regroup and keep fighting.
Bibi knows he is dealing with illogical terrorists not some elected government.
I don’t look at it as Bibis war. He obviously didn’t start this. I do disagree with how he’s fighting it. I’m dubious how successful it can be in the short run, and whether in the long run it won’t just make things worse.
You’re right that international cooperation doesn’t exist today. While there’s obviously a ton that goes into why that is - much of it not fairly in regards to Israel…Hamas has friends and bases elsewhere in the region, not just Gaza. Israel can’t get to them all on their own without potentially risking broader conflicts. Hence, they have to find a way to create that international cooperation. Not saying that’s fair or right - it’s ridiculous that people sympathize with Hamas, but also that Iran in particular is clearly using them as a tool to keep Israel at odds with the rest of the region.
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