Poll: should illegal aliens be allowed to vote?
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I guess, first thing would be to figure out how broadly you are defining the term, since legal immigrants are often dragged in to this, without the ability to vote.
But, yes, in local elections.
But, yes, in local elections.
What's your point? The entire world has been resettled.
no..god no. If Canadians were largely conservative and were coming into the country to live here, the dems would be freaking the fu$k out preventing them from living here.
I bet if they looked Canadian, the Rs would have come to the table to fix this long ago.
So your saying everyone benefits if we import other failed nations poverty problems? Are you offended by the idea that legal immigrants with skill sets are better than illegal immigrants whose only skill set is making low-intelligence babies they can't afford.
They finally start to assimilate, and it is still not enough!
No, this has no relevance to what I said. I said if the illegals were white english speakers Rs would have dealt with the issue rather then keep it around to stir up their base.
When the Mexicans come in and take the country by force, I reckon they can do whatever they want.
But more to the point, your photo and assertion should be a wake-up call to everyone.
Standard conservative response. Our old crimes don't count. Only your new crimes count. Because we say so.
I suppose to accept that as reality you would have to ignore that conservatives have interest in cheap, and undereducated labor. If conservatives/liberals really wanted to stop undocumented immigrants from making their way across the board they would put harsh if not very harsh punishments on the business owners that hire illegally. If the cost of getting caught for hiring illegally was stiff enough it would likely make hiring illegals a risk not worth taking.
Or we can pretend a magical fence will stop them.
This, almost every policy position Rs take can be understood through the cheap labor prism.
Dear Moran Victory.
When you find yourself intellectually married to a kid who has swallowed so much sperm that his brain has been chemically altered, you're on the wrong path.
Dear naturalame,
Who wants amnesty for millions of cheap labor illegals? Liberals.
Who started this poll and is happy with the result? A conservative.
Can you see how ironic your comment is now? BTW, Republican doesn't equal conservative. Romney and McCain aren't conservatives. I don't expect your hormone hobbled brain to comprehend the knowledge being dropped on you.
Psst, once you make them legal, they are no longer cheap. Did a light just go on? And sperm makes people happy, it's science. Tell your partner or better yet, cure yourself. You're clearly in need of having a good load dropped on you.
I am guessing you are one of the 7 morans who voted to give illegals the same rights as legals. LOL.
What surprises me is that our libertarians tend to side with the cons (to the extent that they are different franchises) and OPPOSE letting the market solve this problem.
Why should a businessman be penalized or treated as a criminal for hiring someone to do fair work for a fair wage - whether that fair wage is determined by the market or by law? What's he done wrong? If he isn't cheating his workers, or abusing them, or making them work in unsafe conditions, and if he is paying the proper taxes and such, where's the problem? Why should we "put harsh if not very harsh punishments on the business owners"?
I would rather address this problem by "put[ting] harsh if not very harsh punishments on the" nations that fall short on workers' rights, environmental protections, a safety net, education and welfare programs - nations, in other words, that engage in lowest-common-denominator policies that drive their nationals to come to the US.
Put tariffs on the products of those offending nations. Put them on the terrorist watch lists as state sponsors of economic and environmental terrorism. Strip them of most favored nation status. Let them decide whether they want to pay us the money in tariffs, or invest that money in their own social betterment - which will have the result of giving their own people better lives.
I know this always gets put to the side, but it is important regarding this discussion: If a person is allowed to live here, say a legal immigrant, or even a legal immigrant with whatever sort of "amnesty" you want to invoke, then they are here, that part is complete. Getting rid of them is not an option for this part of the debate. Those who can't get past that needn't really join the debate, because if getting rid of them was just an option, there wouldn't be a debate. I know, I know, for some of you that is a round-about and you are Clark Griswold.
Ok, understanding that the immigrants in question aren't going anywhere, why shouldn't they vote in local elections? Like school-board issues, for example. If, say a school's population is made up of, let's say, 20% of these immigrants, is it really wise to simply ignore them? Their children (likely) are citizens, but can't vote. I'm not talking about fairness, I'm talking about representative democracy. Decisions should be made by the people making up those affected by the decisions. Hell, in some of your minds, a school district could cater to 80% immigrants, and you still wouldn't allow them representation.
And again, some (most?) of you will just revert to, "They are illegal! Get them out!" I'm not sure why you'd join this thread then.
Ok, understanding that the immigrants in question aren't going anywhere, why shouldn't they vote in local elections? Like school-board issues, for example. If, say a school's population is made up of, let's say, 20% of these immigrants, is it really wise to simply ignore them? Their children (likely) are citizens, but can't vote. I'm not talking about fairness, I'm talking about representative democracy. Decisions should be made by the people making up those affected by the decisions. Hell, in some of your minds, a school district could cater to 80% immigrants, and you still wouldn't allow them representation.
And again, some (most?) of you will just revert to, "They are illegal! Get them out!" I'm not sure why you'd join this thread then.
Well if life exists on Mars, it is microbial with a very low IQ. But if you're saying microbials still have a higher IQ than breeder scum south of the border, I'm gonna have to concede your point.
Absolutely, I am for all of those measures. We would likely have to end free trade agreements, especially NAFTA which I am definitely for. I think it is safe to say that there was an increase in immigration from Mexico since NAFTA.
I would assume that the reason people hire undocumented immigrants is to side step taxes, and other expenses. However, I am okay with undocumented immigrants that are currently here being able to pursue employment. If they were documented third national employees they would at least be paying into the system instead, and probably living in less fear because they would be allowed to work, drive, and live legally. They would likely fall into the spending class of 100 percent of their money going back into the economy which creates jobs.
I am in the affirmative for amnesty. Especially for Dreamers. I find it incredibly wrong that Dreamers have to reapply every two years, and document enough during those periods to prove they never left the country. The burden of proof is on them to show they never left. States are also foolish to not issue drivers licenses to undocumented works because they still drive only without insurance.
I am not a libertarian or conservative.
If they aren't helping to pay the salaries of our elected officials, they have no business choosing who they are. It's as simple as that.
Tell me how many other counties allow such foreign participation in their elections?
Clearly you are new to this board and unaware of the naturROT crackpots who back anything to advance Democrat election victories.
Sad thing is, you think this is about "democrats" and election victories.
I assure you, I do not care whether the democrat party wins the next election.
LOL, so are you going to join those who claim that immigrants don't pay taxes? Especially local ones?
